Several liyyu police killed by armed Oromo warriors

[Waachis]

Let me worry about the boggie man called Ogaden dominating other clans at a later date. I see Amharas have taught you well, all of a sudden you are concerned for Somali clans.

You speak of forming federalism, isn"t that what Ethio has already?

We will demarcate the borders between our two
peoples by coming up with a mutual agreement.

The choice is clear, either an independent Somali region (my preference) or partitioned Somali region, some areas joining Djibouti, others Somalia.

War? What you Oromos gonna fight with? Amharas will send you all to an early grave while they enjoy the spoils of war at your expense. Last time I checked unified Somalis never lost to Habashi, including Oromos, w/o outside help.

1. Amharas aint the ones who armed 1 clan, to fight another, in somalia and in ethiopia; you can blame the tigrayans for that. you know, the same tigrayans who were once hosted by siad barre in mogadishu? yeah, those tigrayans. the same ones who know your people, perhaps, even better than YOU do.

2. no. today's ethiopia is still a centralized, unitary state; that masquerades itself as a federal union. true federalism means oromos can never interfere with your affairs, and vice-versa; but we remain 1 country dedicated to alleviating poverty and hunger and so on.

3. if we can demarcate the borders, we would have done it by now. we east africans tend to be stubborn and hard headed. compromise to most of our people is seen as a sign of weakness. do not get me wrong, i would love to be proven wrong and see oromo-somali border issues solved once and for all. while our people fight, tigrayans laugh in the background at us both. they love to see two cushitic mainly muslim people destroying each other instead of destroying abyssinian elites.

4. most of ethiopia will not sit and watch their country disintegrate. they would fight. amharas, oromos, gurages, aderes, siltes, sidama. think about it! the minority groups with the little land have the most to lose if ethiopia breaks up: militarily, politically, economically, etc. so they'd fight tooth and nail, as will the oromo and others.

5. do not forget----somalia needed and accepted foreign help to fight in 1978 too. somalia did not build those tanks you used, somalia did not make those rifles you used, somalia did not build that ammo, the magazines, and so on. it just happens that ethiopia is seen as being more FRAGILE and IMPORTANT to the outside world.

[DhuloPride]

Sheegato bantu Hisham think they will come to power ones Amhara/Oromo take over. What a joke! This is not 1990s. You got no say in Soomali-Galbeed anymore.

I cannot speak for Amharas, but for Oromos, and we Oromos do not want to oppress or rule anyone. we only want to rule oromia.
but somali region cannot secede under us or the amhara. abdi iley will be jailed, the liyyu will be dismantled, and a new local somali police force will be formed. a police force that is composed of all clans, not just the ogadenis.

Good luck with that. Whilst I dont like Iley, or the liyyu, the good thing is that once TPLF collapse, they will sign off Ogaden to become an independent country as they were loyal servants. There wont be another ruler of Ethiopia, since it won't exist after the Tigrayans lose power.

[Waachis]

Sheegato bantu Hisham think they will come to power ones Amhara/Oromo take over. What a joke! This is not 1990s. You got no say in Soomali-Galbeed anymore.

I cannot speak for Amharas, but for Oromos, and we Oromos do not want to oppress or rule anyone. we only want to rule oromia.
but somali region cannot secede under us or the amhara. abdi iley will be jailed, the liyyu will be dismantled, and a new local somali police force will be formed. a police force that is composed of all clans, not just the ogadenis.

Good luck with that. Whilst I dont like Iley, or the liyyu, the good thing is that once TPLF collapse, they will sign off Ogaden to become an independent country as they were loyal servants. There wont be another ruler of Ethiopia, since it won't exist after the Tigrayans lose power.

if you think the west will watch their #2 most important ally in africa collapse, you're in for a big shocker son.
they already got troops there. it's a matter of hours for them to enter ethiopia and confront the somali secessionists if they need to.
tigray itself will not be safe when it secedes. do u think they would be able to steal lands from their neighbors and live at peace?
that's a pipe dream at best. won't happen. there'll be endless border wars that tigray will have to fight. the oromo too will invade tigray simply for revenge.

[DhuloPride]

I cannot speak for Amharas, but for Oromos, and we Oromos do not want to oppress or rule anyone. we only want to rule oromia.
but somali region cannot secede under us or the amhara. abdi iley will be jailed, the liyyu will be dismantled, and a new local somali police force will be formed. a police force that is composed of all clans, not just the ogadenis.

Good luck with that. Whilst I dont like Iley, or the liyyu, the good thing is that once TPLF collapse, they will sign off Ogaden to become an independent country as they were loyal servants. There wont be another ruler of Ethiopia, since it won't exist after the Tigrayans lose power.

if you think the west will watch their #2 most important ally in africa collapse, you're in for a big shocker son.
they already got troops there. it's a matter of hours for them to enter ethiopia and confront the somali secessionists if they need to.
tigray itself will not be safe when it secedes. do u think they would be able to steal lands from their neighbors and live at peace?
that's a pipe dream at best. won't happen. there'll be endless border wars that tigray will have to fight. the oromo too will invade tigray simply for revenge.

The collapse of the TPLF will mean that they will sign off Ogaden & their region to become independent, they are the official government and there is nothing you can do about it. It's written in the constitution.

One Ethiopia will not exist without the Tigrayans on top. There will be nobody else ruling Ethiopia. Ogaden will become a sovereign nation, and force will settle the border disputes.

[Waachis]

Good luck with that. Whilst I dont like Iley, or the liyyu, the good thing is that once TPLF collapse, they will sign off Ogaden to become an independent country as they were loyal servants. There wont be another ruler of Ethiopia, since it won't exist after the Tigrayans lose power.

if you think the west will watch their #2 most important ally in africa collapse, you're in for a big shocker son.
they already got troops there. it's a matter of hours for them to enter ethiopia and confront the somali secessionists if they need to.
tigray itself will not be safe when it secedes. do u think they would be able to steal lands from their neighbors and live at peace?
that's a pipe dream at best. won't happen. there'll be endless border wars that tigray will have to fight. the oromo too will invade tigray simply for revenge.

The collapse of the TPLF will mean that they will sign off Ogaden & their region to become independent, they are the official government and there is nothing you can do about it. It's written in the constitution.

One Ethiopia will not exist without the Tigrayans on top. There will be nobody else ruling Ethiopia. Ogaden will become a sovereign nation, and force will settle the border disputes.

They can sign it off all they want; will the Ethiopian people accept it is the true question? tplf can barely survive, how can it help others?
and they do not even border you. they can do what they want, but the patriotic ethiopians who border u won't sit and watch.
They signed off land to Sudan, rich farm lands, and the amhara militias didn't accept it and the land is still disputed.
amhara fighters still had the land and still have it as of now.
do not underestimate ethiopia. you did in 1978 and your country never recovered.

[DhuloPride]

They can sign it off all they want; will the Ethiopian people accept it is the true question? tplf can barely survive, how can it help others?
and they do not even border you. they can do what they want, but the patriotic ethiopians who border u won't sit and watch.
They signed off land to Sudan, rich farm lands, and the amhara militias didn't accept it and the land is still disputed.
amhara fighters still had the land and still have it as of now.
do not underestimate ethiopia. you did in 1978 and your country never recovered.

Your people dont even want to rule Ethiopia, they want an independent Oromo. This is what you're forgetting. You don't even control your land, and you think you can take Ogaden? Ethiopia is held together by TPLF, and once it collapses there wont be another ruler. The country will descend into civil war, and become a safe haven for terrorists if it doesnt happen quick. Who are patiotic ethiopians? Oromos? you are funny man. Your people don't even consider themselves ethiopians.

The amharas love to subject oromos, so perhaps you may form one country. As for Ogaden & Tigayians then we will go our own paths. We will form our own nation, and they would rather join Eritrea than be led under Ethiopia.

[Waachis]

They can sign it off all they want; will the Ethiopian people accept it is the true question? tplf can barely survive, how can it help others?
and they do not even border you. they can do what they want, but the patriotic ethiopians who border u won't sit and watch.
They signed off land to Sudan, rich farm lands, and the amhara militias didn't accept it and the land is still disputed.
amhara fighters still had the land and still have it as of now.
do not underestimate ethiopia. you did in 1978 and your country never recovered.

Your people dont even want to rule Ethiopia, they want an independent Oromo. This is what you're forgetting. You don't even control your land, and you think you can take Ogaden? Ethiopia is held together by TPLF, and once it collapses there wont be another ruler. The country will descend into civil war, and become a safe haven for terrorists if it doesnt happen quick. Who are patiotic ethiopians? Oromos? you are funny man. Your people don't even consider themselves ethiopians.

The amharas love to subject oromos, so perhaps you may form one country. As for Ogaden & Tigayians then we will go our own paths. We will form our own nation, and they would rather join Eritrea than be led under Ethiopia.

nobody knows what the oromo majority wants. wanna know? because they were never asked. no consensus has been reached among all oromos, as of yet. what i do know is based on my interactions with christian, muslim, and the traditional religious oromos.
most do not mention secession. they mention: alleviation of poverty, building roads, schools, clinics, self-rule, our own army, developing our language and culture and so on.
yes we do not control our land now, nobody controls their state, even somalis. liyyus await their orders from the tigrayan general assigned to that area.
however..... we do have the power to stand behind the army and join it, if the countries nearing collapse.
the amhara will not watch. the oromo won't.
the oromos back home are very much patriotic bro. from wollo, shoa down to borana, guji, macca areas.
they love ethiopia bro. they know ethiopia's well being means their well being. if ethiopia's doing bad, so will they do.
we will not fight the ogadenis if they do not try to destroy ethiopia. as i said before, who would sit and watch their country burn down?
somalis cannot even accept somalilands desire for independence, but somehow expect ethiopians to accept their country being disintegrated?
can you not see the hypocrisy there?

[MayDay777]

Oromos are 40 million strong but so stupid. That's why they are always slaves. Fuck off dirty rat. I as the native of the land will tell you that we will declare independence immediately when the Tigray lose power and if you try anything we will go ape shit on you and reconquer your docil race and take all of Bale. This f-king oromo slave thinks he has the balls to stand up to Somalis who have 2 entire countries on their own .

No one wants AIDSthopia idiot. We want our own country or join Somalia. Enjoy being AIDSthopian

[MayDay777]

We will definitely meet in the battle field. wlhi that's exactly what I want.

[Thanatophiliac]

Waachis, stop the propaganda. You killed a couple of innocent Gadabursi tribesmen in Gursum

You've been trying to expand into the area. We will never allow it. Over our dead bodies.

[OAF]

Waachis your the one who should be worried, as we speak we are the ones who have the army of our own while the oromos are divided into different sections and have different ideas, i think rather the oromos would eat each other for the power than them fighting other ethnics.

Your such a confused individual, ive seen you once support an independent oromia, no wonder the oromos is at its stance , i pray for them.

[OAF]

Good news and when Oromo and Amhara return will be even better.

idoor waxiid, labadeena way inoo taala kolkay itoobiya burburto.

[Museyusuf]

Ethiopia is not going to break up into smaller states. Most Ethiopians are pro Ethiopia.
It's only some Somalis in K5 who want to succeed.
No one wants a war, everyone wants peace that includes Oromo and Somalis.

[MayDay777]

Ethiopia is not going to break up into smaller states. Most Ethiopians are pro Ethiopia.
It's only some Somalis in K5 who want to succeed.
No one wants a war, everyone wants peace that includes Oromo and Somalis.

Yes Ethiopia will break up. The country is hanging by the thread. TPLF made in clear in their constitution that any region can secede if they want. Once they see Addis fall they will hold a fake election, make 99% of the votes for breaking off and immediately declare independence. Interestingly Ina Iley admin also publicly stated that they don't want another Ethiopia so that means they will obviously declare independence too.

Its definitely not "some Somalis", last time I checked ALL Somalis In the region want to secede. That land was never fully controlled by Ethiopia until Ina Iley. that shows you how much the region isn't like the others. The people there consider themselves Somali before Ethiopian so don't bring me that bull.

I also want peace but If injirley like the OP threaten my independence there will be war.

[Waachis]

I will go ahead and state some facts for a reminder to people:


1. Most Ethiopians are patriotic and love their country, even if they have issues with the government. Especially Oromos, Amharas, Gurages and Agew/Kimants and those groups add up to over 75 million humans.

2. The West needs Ethiopia badly as a part of its strategy in the Horn. They said it themselves: we are not prepared to see Ethiopia disintegrate.
If they see Ethiopia collapsing, it's easy to get soldiers there, they're already there, in Djibouti, in Somalia, and elsewhere.

3. TPLF cannot save the somali state from the wrath of over 75 million Ethiopians if the somalis try to destroy ethiopia. if you couldn't do it in 1978 when you had the best army, well equipped and trained; you must be on drugs to think it's possible today when ethiopia is the hegemonic power in the horn with soldiers in south sudan, somalia, etc.
tplf can give you approval to secede, but as long as the national army exists, they will just intervene and stop it. 300,000 ethio soldiers backed by a strong and experienced air force. and moral and material and manpower support from tens of millions of ethiopians.

i know some of you are reacting emotionally, not logically, but this is the plain truth.
abdi iley himself will be destroyed if he tried to destroy ethiopia.
he can continue to rule his people with an iron fist, if he wants, but within the context of ONE ETHIOPIA.
ETHIOPIA ANDE NEW....
LOL sorry guys.