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Its cause of that love Zamzam obviously. Shes Sacad Muuse-Habar Awal herself.

AwRastaale wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:57 pm Funded by SL Development Fund - SDF

Worth watching and seeing what they want to achieve over an area of 120km sq.

They will construct 12,000 semi-circle bunds, 415km of soil bunds designed to retain water and soil.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mXegMzFAcN8


To learn more about these rain harvesting techniques see; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu5ADGF1axA

I am too lazy to watch the YouTube video.. what is the project and funds about building baalis or actually farming..

RoobleAlWaliid wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:34 am Its cause of that love Zamzam obviously. Shes Sacad Muuse-Habar Awal herself.

What's your beef with eedo zamzam ..don't hate sxb because she's holding it down for us sisters

Siciid85 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:54 am Habar Awal are only 20.3% of the Somaliland population, their areas should not get anything more than 20.3% otherwise it is
daylight robbery.

You got 20% from a population chart that the British did in 1944.. so bringing a British tally chart means that it's offical clans are still the same size donkey yrs ago.

Ever heard of population growth..birth rate
Smh western educated ppl still think because a tea drinking white man said something over 70 years old it must be right

According to your own logically dhulbhante is a larger clan than cidgaale and arab combined so they get 15% share of the funds

Siciid85 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:54 am Habar Awal are only 20.3% of the Somaliland population, their areas should not get anything more than 20.3% otherwise it is
daylight robbery.

Those figures are just estimates. Also the the estimates were based unsophisticated measurement, it was based on land not density. They also portrayed clan areas wrong in the protectorate.

Issa was estimated at 100k and Gadabursi 80k btw. Although we know today simple from UN census that the old census was Fugazi. It's good to mention that both clans population largely live outside the borders.

You can read it here. https://www.loc.gov/resource/g8352bm.gct00214/?sp=6




In 1890. the Italian traveler Luigi Bricchetti when travelling to Harrar estimated Gadabursi at that time to be around 46000 and a Scottish traveler also 43275 that's 60 years from the British estimation of 80k in border of Somaliland and they have been recorded to largely reside Ethiopia, so you can image the sheer numbers. The Ottoman-Egyptian traveler Mohamed Moktar which was not biased British estimates, when traveling from Zeila to Harrar estimated the clan at 85000 and this was in 1877.


In fact Hunter estimated both Gadabursi and Issa regions to be together in the 400000 in 1884.



Dismissing everything is the 2014 population census. Borama district alone is bigger than Sool region based on UNFP population census.

MujahidAishah wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:50 am

Siciid85 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:54 am Habar Awal are only 20.3% of the Somaliland population, their areas should not get anything more than 20.3% otherwise it is
daylight robbery.

You got 20% from a population chart that the British did in 1944.. so bringing a British tally chart means that it's offical clans are still the same size donkey yrs ago.

Ever heard of population growth..birth rate
Smh western educated ppl still think because a tea drinking white man said something over 70 years old it must be right

That table is really triggering for me...

Because it literally proves we had more geel than clansmen

Lmao Rooble you don't need to whip out a billion tables and figures every time gadabursi are mentioned

SuldaanMaplesyrup wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:52 am

MujahidAishah wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:50 am

Siciid85 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:54 am Habar Awal are only 20.3% of the Somaliland population, their areas should not get anything more than 20.3% otherwise it is
daylight robbery.

You got 20% from a population chart that the British did in 1944.. so bringing a British tally chart means that it's offical clans are still the same size donkey yrs ago.

Ever heard of population growth..birth rate
Smh western educated ppl still think because a tea drinking white man said something over 70 years old it must be right

That table is really triggering for me...

Because it literally proves we had more geel than clansmen dead:

Lmao Rooble you don't need to whip out a billion tables and figures every time gadabursi are mentioned

ooh shot I didn't even see that macal the British got cidgaale jokes

But ceebten astur even sacad muse had more camels then tribemen

Screw that all the livestock out number the somali tribes we are langaabs compard to even sheeps

abodu wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:23 am Whatever "HA" get, it's a gain for Isaq.
Whatever galbeed iyo gabiley get, it's a blessing for Somaliland.

Wax kastaa waa la qabyaaladeynaya. Wixii galbeed ka baxa ee Burco iyo bari loo iib geeyo so that they get their daily five, miyaaney nimco iyo in Allah loo mahad naqo aheyn.

You make no sense. I don't recall anybody feeding anyone else freely. The produces from these farms go for sale not for charity.

X.Playa wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:06 pm

abodu wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:23 am Whatever "HA" get, it's a gain for Isaq.
Whatever galbeed iyo gabiley get, it's a blessing for Somaliland.

Wax kastaa waa la qabyaaladeynaya. Wixii galbeed ka baxa ee Burco iyo bari loo iib geeyo so that they get their daily five, miyaaney nimco iyo in Allah loo mahad naqo aheyn.

You make no sense. I don't recall anybody feeding anyone else freely. The produces from these farms go for sale not for charity.

Where did i mention charity? I clearly said...loo iib geeyo.

RoobleAlWaliid wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:51 am

You are lying.

Dont be desperate sxb. That table is wrong. Gudabursi in Somaliland were numbering 45,000, less than Ciise (55,000) in Somaliland before the Ciise buggered off to Djibouti.

This is the correct table:

Also the the estimates were based unsophisticated measurement, it was based on land not density.

You are lying again, they literally travelled through the entire country. It is the most detailed account we have by far.

If you have actually bothered to read their working methods you would have known not to try this silly excuse:



Accept your langaabnimo. Even Ciise at the time were larger than you in Somaliland.

Ben Dover wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:20 pm Accept your langaabnimo. Even Ciise at the time were larger than you in Somaliland.

How am I lying those are real sources. What does your quote prove. it proves nothing.

It's killing you I'm far larger and massive than you. How can you argue with 2014 census? Let's not get Ethiopian numbers you will get smashed. My small Habar Jeclo friend who's clan is a amalgamate of laangaabs. Your puny you hide behind other Isaaq. You run behind this old particular British census cause it favours you decade have passed you still beg this census. Rag iska dhig. Too bad my evidences are too much.




Again proof of old censuses. Again for you. You didn't seem to understand. In 1890. the Italian traveler Luigi Bricchetti when travelling to Harrar estimated Gadabursi at that time to be around 46000 and a Scottish traveler also 43275 that's 60 years from the British estimation of 80k in border of Somaliland and they have been recorded to largely reside Ethiopia, so you can image the sheer numbers. The Ottoman-Egyptian traveler Mohamed Moktar which was not biased British estimates, when traveling from Zeila to Harrar estimated the clan at 85000 and this was in 1877.



Each year there is a average Somali growth of 2,3%. From 1890 till 1945. That dismisses your entire bogus census.

Hunter estimated both Gadabursi and Issa regions to be together in the 400000 in 1884.



And of course the 2014 census no one can argue with.



I dont take those account serious they portray the Gadabursi as inhabiting half of of their region in the protectorate. We inhabited all the way to Zeila and even signed the treaties there with the French, before the Issa. Issa are my brothers and sisters, but we had more aqils than them in Zeila. The British purposely pinned us against each other instead of portraying our land as shared as I'm Lewis did in favor of Habar Jeclo with Habar Yoonis.



Plus most of the clan reside outside borders so I'd still be larger than your laangaab Habar Jeclo if you go by 45000 as 40% and the greater part in Ethiopia that's 50% and the rest in Djibouti thats 10% . That''s 112,500 Your clan is outmatched. That's if I entertain your view, but I won't. You are the real laangaab.

RoobleAlWaliid wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:51 am

Dont be catching feelings, I am just exposing your disingenuous use of sources. You know the source you present is wrong yet you continue to use it to make your langaab clan appear larger, its pathetic.

You got the 80,000 number from the Report on general survey of British Somaliland 1944 found here:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g8352bm.gct00214/?sp=6

It was wrong, and corrected in following editions:



The reason they had Ciise at 100,000 was because they included part of Ciise not within British Somaliland, as for your langaab Gudabursi, they just overestimated your numbers

The correct number for Ciise is 55,000 and Gudabursi 45,000 which is what I. M. Lewis used.

In your desperation you are using tables you know to be incorrect. You are also citing travellers' 'estimates' of your people . At the same time disregarding field work that took close to a decade!

You are pathetic.

Dont use that table again.

Ben Dover wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:06 pm

RoobleAlWaliid wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:51 am

Dont be catching feelings, I am just exposing your disingenuous use of sources. You know the source you present is wrong yet you continue to use it to make your langaab clan appear larger, its pathetic.

You got the 80,000 number from the Report on general survey of British Somaliland 1944 found here:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/g8352bm.gct00214/?sp=6

It was wrong, and corrected in following editions:



The reason they had Ciise at 100,000 was because they included part of Ciise not within British Somaliland, as for your langaab Gudabursi, they just overestimated your numbers

The correct number for Ciise is 55,000 and Gudabursi 45,000 which is what I. M. Lewis used.

Dont use that table again.

Dude we know British like portraying the Gadabursi as inhabiting half their land in the protectorate that explains the figure, while we inhabited up to Zeila.




I read that part too dude and still doesn't change the fact of the matter. They just included a part of the the not British protected Gadabursi and what's wrong with that? You are the pathetic one afraid of my sheer numbers. Cause a laangaab Jeclo is 99% confined to protectorate.

Read again it says also overestimated (kulaha just overestimated), which mean they included a bit of the parts not under protectorate too like the Issa. They probably just went a little bit over the border a bit into Awbarre. UNFP Census 2014 proves it's a very dense area.

What's wrong with that?

So you want to compare your clan who hardly inhabits any land outside the borders to the great clan who reaches all the way to Harar and why are you ignoring Hunters census and my other arguments. I already told you even if it was 45000 inside the protectore I am still bigger than your laangaab amalgamate and again it was based on land and they didn't portray us as inhabiting all way to Zeila while we always did.

You keep running to this particular census, because you view it as a QURANIC VERSE for your laangaab clan. To use your masters British census is to appease you.

Read Mohamed Moktar travels from Zeila to Harar, were he estimated Gadabuursi 80k in 1877. In ""Une Reconnaissance Au Pays De Gadaboursi""

I also showed you Hunters estimate. in 1884. So thats a win for me. No British borders for your laangaab clan to play with.

Today I am the second largest clan in Somaliland.




Awdal alone I number around 600k
Waqooyi Galbeed I inhabit too. I'd say 75k~150k


Of Djibouti I am 15% thats 150k of the almost 1 million population.


Of DDSI Gadabursi number around 700~750k.. Not including ones in Metahara or Afar region.
2 exclusive Gadabuursi woredas alone number around the 500k. Denbel and Awbarre.



Gursum Woreda , largely Gadabuursi presence.


Around 700k~750k, without the Gadabuursi counted in the chartered city of Dire Dawa, or Afar region or Oromo region.

Now let's look Habar Jeclo. lol

5% of Hargeisa. Alla wuxuu laangaabsanaa. Waa miskiin.