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Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 7:01 am

hoa wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 6:53 am

Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 6:24 am

Do either of you speak any of the languages we are talking about?

Just because you say something is a certain way, and because you think the words of some John Smith are the end all and be all, does not make it true!

Also Arag, Arkuu, ارى are all of the same sound and meaning. This does not invalidate anything, nor do similarities existing between so called Cushitic languages mean that my point is invalid. The two things are mutually exclusive and just further highlights my point that Cushitic and Semitic should be placed in the same sub family.

You act like you are some kind of language authority, and yet you hardly even speak or know the languages you are debating.

Science and classification of things is always up for debate. It also requires a thorough methodology including deep knowledge of the thing you are researching.

Also the fact that you think ancient biblical hebrew is the same as modern Hebrew (which is completely different) just highlights your lack of knowledge and ignorance being displayed!

I said it's almost the same

They are in the same family, Afro Asiatic.
Why are you so desperate for Somali to be classed in with the Semitic languages? You've provided nothing but a bunch of words that are not even related.
You really haven't studied Semitic or Cushitic languages. The amount of things Semitic languages share amongst each other is beyond your knowledge, Somali does not fit in it.

Provide some evidence why Somali is Semitic and not Cushitic then we will start talking. To say Cushitic and Semitic should be all in one group is desperate and seems like you are begging it. Cushitic languages are different to Semitic.

Oh the irony, you have literally provided nothing to this thread apart from regurgitated opinions without even bothering to provide an iota of evidence apart from your poor deconstruction of my arguments.

I find your whole stance lazy and dishonest, you pretend to be speaking from a place of more knowledge (cooning for Dr Smith, Jones and co) and yet only repeat nonsense like modern hebrew is the same as ancient.

You do not speak or have ever bothered to study the language and subject at hand. I will not go out of my way to spoon feed such a dishonest intellectually lazy stance.

But I will write a book on the subject one of these days Allah willing.

paperino wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 9:49 am Looks like the word "faahfaahin" shares with the verb "faah" in Arabic:
https://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/% ... %A7%D9%87/

Basra- wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 10:48 am hoa aka negus


Hence my point that we come from arabs! The abundance of loan words means---somali is not an original language. It is a mixed people! We are 75% arabs! lol

hoa wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 4:44 am

Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 4:31 am

hoa wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 6:04 pm

Somali is related to Arabic through one ancestor. Cushitic languages and Somali have a common ancestor, in which this ancestor has an ancestor that the ancestor of Semitic languages have.
That is how they are related.

Having similar numbers does mean something, none of the numbers Semitic languages have, Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic, etc. are borrowed off each other, all of these languages share these numbers from a proto-Semitic ancestor. Somali clearly shares it with a proto-Cushitic ancestor.

Now to your next point:
So what if Oromo doesn't have sounds like ع and ح??? Why does everyone always bring up this point. Phonology plays little when languages are classed into groups.

Do Spanish and Italian have the guttural French R? Why are they classed together.
Doesn't matter if a letter is pronounced differently, if the root is the same, it is similar. Heck even Hebrew doesn't have ع ق ح , why don't you contest this?

The Arabic root as I said, for 'to see' is r-'-y ر ء ي . I just done a quick lookup and the root for 'to see' in Tigrinya is r-'-y as well. This is what is similar. They literally have the same exact root, not a coincidence unlike our word for it.

'SEE' in Oromo is arkuu, what have you got to say about this........

For one Hebrew is a revived language hence it is not the same as the ancient variant.

As for Cushitic, I do not speak Oromo, but I do speak Somali and Arabic, hence why I know there is a deep similarity.

I for one suspect that Cushitic is just another form of south Semitic that migrated into the horn a long time ago, being influenced by various native Horn African languages present at the time, for example Omotic and Nilo Saharan.

However the so called Cushitic languages retain various amounts of their original purity, with Somali being among the purest.

Written Modern Hebrew is almost the same as Biblical Hebrew.

Well there I have given an example of arkaa being arkuu in Oromo, so instead of focusing just on Arabic, start to focus on the languages that are very similar to Somali first, rather than a language that's not even in the same group.

Cushitic is not Semitic at all, believe what you want but there are no similarities apart from a bunch of Arabic loanwords and some proto-AfroAsiatic words.

hoa wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 10:55 am

Basra- wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 10:48 am hoa aka negus


Hence my point that we come from arabs! The abundance of loan words means---somali is not an original language. It is a mixed people! We are 75% arabs! lol

We are not Arabs, I know how much you want to be one but we are not Arabs.

Hindi has a lot of English loanwords, are Indian people English? English has a lot of French words, are English people French?
Our language has a lot of English loanwords, are we also English?

Go away with your suugo science. Clearly you're a troll

Basra- wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 11:27 am

hoa wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 10:55 am

Basra- wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 10:48 am hoa aka negus


Hence my point that we come from arabs! The abundance of loan words means---somali is not an original language. It is a mixed people! We are 75% arabs! lol

We are not Arabs, I know how much you want to be one but we are not Arabs.

Hindi has a lot of English loanwords, are Indian people English? English has a lot of French words, are English people French?
Our language has a lot of English loanwords, are we also English?

Go away with your suugo science. Clearly you're a troll

hoa


scuk my Gu.s! We are arabs! Our origins at least! Indians do not have a lot of loanwords like we do with the Arabic language. Just like Oromo and Somali loan each other words --so do we and the arabs!

paperino wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 9:32 am تعريف و معنى يعب
1 - عب الماء : شربه من غير تنفس
https://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/% ... %B9%D8%A8/

Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 12:38 pm

paperino wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 9:32 am تعريف و معنى يعب
1 - عب الماء : شربه من غير تنفس
https://www.almaany.com/ar/dict/ar-ar/% ... %B9%D8%A8/

These kids do not understand what information you are providing.

The western mind set has done a number on them. No intellect, not research, knowledge or even the willingness to learn, just hatred for Arabs. Which has nothing to do with what we are explaining here.

I have seen this kind of behaviour all too prevalent in the west. It is a sort of intolerant liberal lazy character.

St8OuttaDirree wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 11:12 am There are more a lot of common words we share in Afan oromo and af-Somali.

i will give a little example, our numbers..

Takka - 1
Lama - 2
Sadi - 3
Afur - 4
Shan - 5
Ja'ha - 6
Torba - 7
Sadeet - 8
Sagal - 9
Qudan - 10.