Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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Re: Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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TheGrumpyGeeljire wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:05 pm Ordinary people in Somaliland do not want to join the chaotic failed state of Somalia. With all due respect, you cannot impose an already once failed union onto a populace that doesn't want it.
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I agree there should not be a forced imposition of unity. But the decision should be left for people to make when Somalia is back on its feet, not when it is down.

I am a strong supporter of the democracy in Somaliland. And I completely understand that Somalilanders do not want another stupid qabilist from the South to come and dictate what they should do. The cooperation should be on the basis of respect, much like individual states in the U.S.

The unity will bring prosperity, better access to the capital markets, infrastructure projects, better protection from external nefarious players, better future for Somalis.

Let's all of us move at our own pace toward progress for now and leave the final decision for later. Somalia keeps greenlighting international Somaliland projects. Let's grow.

People in Somaliland are just Somalis, my Somalis. I am proud of you and I love you.

Fuck all the qabil neanderthals on both sides.
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AyubD wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:35 pm
TheGrumpyGeeljire wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:05 pm Ordinary people in Somaliland do not want to join the chaotic failed state of Somalia. With all due respect, you cannot impose an already once failed union onto a populace that doesn't want it.
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I agree there should not be a forced imposition of unity. But the decision should be left for people to make when Somalia is back on its feet, not when it is down.

I am a strong supporter of the democracy in Somaliland. And I completely understand that Somalilanders do not want another stupid qabilist from the South to come and dictate what they should do. The cooperation should be on the basis of respect, much like individual states in the U.S.

The unity will bring prosperity, better access to the capital markets, infrastructure projects, better protection from external nefarious players, better future for Somalis.

Let's all of us move at our own pace toward progress for now and leave the final decision for later. Somalia keeps greenlighting international Somaliland projects. Let's grow.

People in Somaliland are just Somalis, my Somalis. I am proud of you and I love you.

Fuck all the qabil neanderthals on both sides.
Your intentions are noble. That I give you.

However, I do not think it is either in Somalia's or Somaliland's best interests to join into an union.

I sincerely belief the best way to benefit all Somalis is for the Somalia government to recognise Somaliland as an independent country, and to let go of their delusional belief that Somaliland is somehow a renegade province, despite the fact it was Somaliland who proposed the idea of 'Somaliwayn' which sadly failed because of southern arrogance.
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Re: Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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AyubD wrote: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:35 pm Somalia keeps greenlighting international Somaliland projects.
:lol:

As if you can do anything about international Somaliland projects.

What happened following your opposition of the DP World deal?

This happened:
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What happened following your opposition of the military base deal and your president's begging visit of Saudi to intervene?

This happened:
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:pac: :umad:

You are an AMISOM colony, you can not do anything to obstruct Somaliland's progress.
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Re: Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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TheGrumpyGeeljire wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:15 am Your intentions are noble. That I give you.

However, I do not think it is either in Somalia's or Somaliland's best interests to join into an union.

I sincerely belief the best way to benefit all Somalis is for the Somalia government to recognise Somaliland as an independent country, and to let go of their delusional belief that Somaliland is somehow a renegade province, despite the fact it was Somaliland who proposed the idea of 'Somaliwayn' which sadly failed because of southern arrogance.
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There might as well be a mutually agreed split the same way Czechoslovakia became the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic after the desolution of the Warsaw Pact. But that should be decided after there is peace, stability and growth in the Somali territories. I am also a suspect of Ethiopia taking an advantage of the situation by steering both parties away and against each other the British style.

I believe many from the southern part are making a grave mistake by creating cognitive dissonance in the minds of Somalis. On one hand, they claim Somaliland to be part of Somalia. On another hand, they treat Somaliland as inferior as if SL doesn't have a voice of its own. In return, Slanders treat southerners the same way. It is a vicious cycle that keeps repeating itself.

Other variables are the inherit tribal mentality of the populace on both sides and the interference by external parties. For example, I am noticing a lot of threads and post on this very forum pitting Southerners and Northerners against each other are initiated by Ethiopians.

The unification can only come from establishing the environment of mutual respect and understanding of each other's needs. The union can only make sense if it benefits each party in real terms. That's what Somalia needs to realize. Nothing should be forced because it is ultimately ordinary people who will make the decision for long lasting peace and prosperity be it in the union or as an independent country.

The negative impact of tribalism can only be lessened by education and improvement of living standards across the country.

We as Somalis need to detach ourselves from the immediate neighboring countries like Arab Kingdoms, Ethiopia, Eritrea in terms of social and economical development and look at successful Muslim countries like Malaysia and Turkey and adopt their proven in practice policies.

Is any of Arab countries around us allow their own ordinary people to participate in political process? Look at Qatar, UAE and Saudi Arabia. Everybody in power is a member of one ruling clan. They are all relatives.

Or look at Ethiopia. It is a pure tyranny of Tigray and Amharas on others. The country that had decades to grow and develop can not even build one project of the Nile damn on the their own. About 70% of Ethiopian don't have access to electricity and live on what $10 a month? Wait till their social boiler explodes and Oromos get their hands on the Tigray oppressors.

Somalis needs to think ahead of time like 50 or 100 years from now. We know for sure there is no stopping of time. We can plan and execute those plans one step at a time. In the U.S. when they plan the country's power grid capacity, Americans look at the latest census, the urban growth trends and naturally happening clustering of businesses across the country. Based on that the U.S. Federal government anticipates where there will be power consumption demand growing and greenlights building power plants and relay stations.

We need to act with a plan and pro-actively. And I personally believe we should be in one union.
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Re: Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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What this people dont understand is how geopolitic works. its Somaliland interest to work with Ethiopia and vice verse. The berbera port deal is a good start hence why ethiopia got 19 percent so they can switch to Somaliland fully for their imports and export. Somaliland hasn't got much friends around the world ethiopia is one of their best friend.

If the people mean that Somaliland is part of ethiopia because of trade and security then all of Europe is one and matter of fact the whole world because of globalisation.
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Re: Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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Where did this slave of AMISOM half bantu half Habashi Bastard down syndrome having midget Ayub get the idea that SL is ethiopian province? 😂 Do you see EthioBantu troops parading down our street, providing security , and calling shots in SL? That's a big fat no , but you do see Habashi providing security for their slaves that wave the blue and white star flag. 😂


Wallahi these SL haters don't even operate on logic this is why we don't want to share country with these bums. How you calling us Ethiopian province when ethiopians literally do everything for your country from security to aid 😂😂 focus on freeing yourself from ethiopian occupation then come talking you EthioBantu slave 😂
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Re: Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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SuldaanOfSanaag wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:00 pm What this people dont understand is how geopolitic works. its Somaliland interest to work with Ethiopia and vice verse. The berbera port deal is a good start hence why ethiopia got 19 percent so they can switch to Somaliland fully for their imports and export. Somaliland hasn't got much friends around the world ethiopia is one of their best friend.

If the people mean that Somaliland is part of ethiopia because of trade and security then all of Europe is one and matter of fact the whole world because of globalisation.
Just stop , Ayub is well known ethiopian agent sent here to cause chaos. SL - Ethiopia literally have the Berbera Port in both countries interest, and Ethiopia and SL have pledged a lot of infrastructure projects together. When Muuse goes to Addis he talks business, when Failmaajo goes to Addis he gets marching orders from his masters and begs for more aid .

Ayub is the dumbest person on here next to Canuck, which judging by the lack of intelligence in boths comments I would say they're probably the same person, however it is very important you understand what ethiopian agent Ayub is sent here to do.


Just the other day I called him out for being hypocrite and hating on Somali's / SL too much. He said bring proof, and I told him to fuck off because everyone can see your bullshit , he can't stop himself though and this "somaliland province of ethiopia" thread is more proof. How did this ethiopian agent come to this conclusion when his country he claims to support, Zoomalia , literally has ethiopian troops providing security and aid and helping Failmaajo craft policies for the SFG.

If the ethiopian agent Ayub Dawit Kikuyu the son of AMISOM can clearly explain how SL is ethiopian province , but Zoomalia is not I will leave him alone. Until then I will hound this EthioBantu who likes spreading anti Somali and Anti -SL rhetoric, while parading for Failmaajo and SFG the international project propped up by Habashi, Bantu, and their white overlords.
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Re: Is Somaliland a province of Ethiopia already?

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SuldaanOfSanaag wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:00 pm What this people dont understand is how geopolitic works....
If the people mean that Somaliland is part of ethiopia because of trade and security then all of Europe is one and matter of fact the whole world because of globalisation.
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Ethiopia made a huge mistake by allowing Eritrea to secede without securing its access to the Red Sea and become landlocked just a few kilometers from the sea. Ethiopia had upper hand in negotiations and could have swayed the international power players to address the sea access issue. The only other country that ended up in such predicament is Bolivia which became landlocked just stone throw-away from the Pacific ocean after losing the war with Chile. Ethiopia has access to sea ports now through Djibouti and Somaliland ports.

Obviously Somalia should recognize Ethiopia's need for the sea port access. Nothing should stand in a way of Somaliland economical development. But it does not mean Ethiopia has an ok to intervene in political affairs of Somalia through covert operations and nefarious influence.

Keep also in mind Ethiopia's population is growing rapidly. It will be harder and harder to counter them as times goes by if Somalis stay divided in Pygmy states.. It is not hard to imagine that Ethiopia can decide one day to annex Somaliland the same way Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine, Königsberg from Germany and Kuril islands from Japan in the recent history. Right now China is in the process of annexing islands in the South China Sea despite objections from Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, etc. It is all about power and strength.

I fully understand that the issues of Somalia and Somaliland are multi-layered and there are no simple answers. I wish Bixi and Farmajo would meet in person, and Bixi would ask Farmajo what he can put on the table to convince Somaliland to agree to unite. The benefits of joining for Somaliland should be better than what SL can have as an independent country. Let them both come up with a list of conditions to be met, let's say, in a span of 10 years. Obviously there should be a little bit of good will from both sides. And let's start working on betterment of both entities and compare results in 10 years.

I think we owe at least one more try to Somali people for the sake of the future generations of Somalis. Things are different now. Our political environment and global social trends are different nowadays. Technology-driven individual strengths and freedoms are killers for any dictatorial attempt. No more one man shows like Barre was. An understanding that each one of us is a decision maker in the fate of Somalis.

You know each time I drive pass cemeteries I think about the people buried in them. They lived their lives just like we are living it now. They are gone and left us what we have now. What we, Somalis, will live to our great-great-great children who will be living 100 years from now?
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