Could the Oromo too be of Arab descent too?!-just a theory!

[St8OuttaDirree]

Somalis know their genealogy quite well, are Oromo the same ? being an expert in genealogy like being a xaafid in the quraan is a very esteemed position according to our tradition.

My genealogy goes up 30 generations in what would be considered Somali, further up it is Arabic and goes into Hadra Yemeni and further up it goes back Hejaz to Mecca to the prohpets family companion and causin Aqeel Talib, Marehan it self is an Old Quraysh name, and so is Sade.

We know our genealogy very well. I can go 25-30 generations easily. Some people can go further down.

Cool
Does your genealogy go up to Oromo ? I am aware you are oromo by culture, language etc but does you genealogy go up to oromo or something else ?

My genealogy goes to Oromo. My Subclan today, was from a different Oromo subclan in the past. Our Sub clan became Ilma Barchuma amongst the Noole Afran Qallo. I still count down to Afran Qallo and then Oromo, but from the Jarso clan of Dagga and not Noole.

[Khalid Ali]

Ilma buchama ah sounds like ilma pyama I need to find my self buchama girl room service where do you guys live are buchama girls light skin so they have the Roman nose. When did they stop worshipping waaq afranqallu are good musician do you guys do poetry. In Nazareth they really liked gacmayare . They thought I was habasha I told them I am habarawal suberiya ishaaqiya sadaatiyaa there are all awal clans in wollo my clan ali awal and subeer awal were brother's anyway are afranqallo warriors can they fight

[St8OuttaDirree]

Ilma buchama ah sounds like ilma pyama I need to find my self buchama girl room service where do you guys live are buchama girls light skin so they have the Roman nose. When did they stop worshipping waaq afranqallu are good musician do you guys do poetry. In Nazareth they really liked gacmayare . They thought I was habasha I told them I am habarawal suberiya ishaaqiya sadaatiyaa there are all awal clans in wollo my clan ali awal and subeer awal were brother's

There are no Isaaqs in Wollo. One of my grandmas is from the wallo clan. Don’t lie to people and try to associate your clan with the Wallo nation.

[Khalid Ali]

Oromo girl its well known they have visited us in hargeysa in 2010 their chiefs and they know their genealogy and abtirsi they are well established tribe.

[Adali]

We know our genealogy very well. I can go 25-30 generations easily. Some people can go further down.

Cool
Does your genealogy go up to Oromo ? I am aware you are oromo by culture, language etc but does you genealogy go up to oromo or something else ?

My genealogy goes to Oromo. My Subclan today, was from a different Oromo subclan in the past. Our Sub clan became Ilma Barchuma amongst the Noole Afran Qallo. I still count down to Afran Qallo and then Oromo, but from the Jarso clan of Dagga and not Noole.

So you have a strong genealogy up to Afan Qallo and then a weak genealogy up to Oromo..

interesting, can you post your genealogy up to Afan Qallo?

[St8OuttaDirree]

Cool
Does your genealogy go up to Oromo ? I am aware you are oromo by culture, language etc but does you genealogy go up to oromo or something else ?

My genealogy goes to Oromo. My Subclan today, was from a different Oromo subclan in the past. Our Sub clan became Ilma Barchuma amongst the Noole Afran Qallo. I still count down to Afran Qallo and then Oromo, but from the Jarso clan of Dagga and not Noole.

So you have a strong genealogy up to Afan Qallo and then a weak genealogy up to Oromo..

interesting, can you post your genealogy up to Afan Qallo?

It’s not weak at all. I can go from Aq and past Oromo.

Not going to give my details or sub sub clan. I’ll start from Noole onwards.

Its Noole, Dagga, Qallo, Humbanna, Baraytuma, Oromo, Waaqo, Daadhi, Utte, Biite, Walabu, Jilicha, Dawaro, Offa, Shara, Hadiya, Rabbo, Dorii, Tabbo, Mormor, Mama, Warar, Wayyu, Goda, Marri, Galan, Waddo, Shunkur, Iram.

Start the clip at 7:58 on wards for Oromo to Shankur.

[Adali]

My genealogy goes to Oromo. My Subclan today, was from a different Oromo subclan in the past. Our Sub clan became Ilma Barchuma amongst the Noole Afran Qallo. I still count down to Afran Qallo and then Oromo, but from the Jarso clan of Dagga and not Noole.

So you have a strong genealogy up to Afan Qallo and then a weak genealogy up to Oromo..

interesting, can you post your genealogy up to Afan Qallo?

It’s not weak at all. I can go from Aq and past Oromo.

Not going to give my details or sub sub clan. I’ll start from Noole onwards.

Its Noole, Dagga, Qallo, Humbanna, Baraytuma, Oromo, Waaqo, Daadhi, Utte, Biite, Walabu, Jilicha, Dawaro, Offa, Shara, Hadiya, Rabbo, Dorii, Tabbo, Mormor, Mama, Warar, Wayyu, Goda, Marri, Galan, Waddo, Shunkur, Iram.

Start the clip at 7:58 on wards for Oromo to Shankur.

mashallah nice traditional attire, we are not that different.

A while back my friend showed me a video of Oromo or Hararis claiming descendants from Abadir Muse Warwaajecel, and they used the Mareexaan name, not the Arabic name used in literature.

What subclan of Oromo is this ? because it is very possible that there are 1 or 2 marehan subclans that lived in Harar that never moved after the city was lost to the Abyssinian

Oromo is a vast nation of 35 million who claim common ancestor whereas Somalis is small nation of 10-15million who claim 2-4 different ancestry lines, yet Somalis have managed to be very united at times while other times been divided, we have only been divided for 26 years if you look at the larger picture we have been united under both Adal and Ifat prior to it.

[Waachis]

So you have a strong genealogy up to Afan Qallo and then a weak genealogy up to Oromo..

interesting, can you post your genealogy up to Afan Qallo?

It’s not weak at all. I can go from Aq and past Oromo.

Not going to give my details or sub sub clan. I’ll start from Noole onwards.

Its Noole, Dagga, Qallo, Humbanna, Baraytuma, Oromo, Waaqo, Daadhi, Utte, Biite, Walabu, Jilicha, Dawaro, Offa, Shara, Hadiya, Rabbo, Dorii, Tabbo, Mormor, Mama, Warar, Wayyu, Goda, Marri, Galan, Waddo, Shunkur, Iram.

Start the clip at 7:58 on wards for Oromo to Shankur.

mashallah nice traditional attire, we are not that different.

A while back my friend showed me a video of Oromo or Hararis claiming descendants from Abadir Muse Warwaajecel, and they used the Mareexaan name, not the Arabic name used in literature.

What subclan of Oromo is this ? because it is very possible that there are 1 or 2 marehan subclans that lived in Harar that never moved after the city was lost to the Abyssinian

Oromo is a vast nation of 35 million who claim common ancestor whereas Somalis is small nation of 10-15million who claim 2-4 different ancestry lines, yet Somalis have managed to be very united at times while other times been divided, we have only been divided for 26 years if you look at the larger picture we have been united under both Adal and Ifat prior to it.

The Oromo are pretty much divided Into two major branches, borana and bareentu.
I'm maccaa who descend from borana. I'm still trying to find my lineage deeper... Right now all I know is I'm Muhammad, son of idris, son of Hussein, son of Umar. I wanna go further so I gotta do research soon.
Our original home (the macca)was Walaabu , which is in Bale near the Ganale River. Then we expanded north and westwards, while the barentu went east.
And diree is from The barentu branch, I believe.
Or confederations.

.."Borana and Barentu: Borana was the son of Ana, while Barentu's mother was Antu, the sister of Ana. In this story, Antu is seen as older than her brother. According to the story, tradition did not allow a woman to be considered as angafa, the first-born child".

Sources show these two confederations, borana and barentu or bareento, were active by at least The 12th century. Well before Ethiopia even existed. So the idea that were strangers to the horn or even the region known as Ethiopia is a big joke.

[St8OuttaDirree]

So you have a strong genealogy up to Afan Qallo and then a weak genealogy up to Oromo..

interesting, can you post your genealogy up to Afan Qallo?

It’s not weak at all. I can go from Aq and past Oromo.

Not going to give my details or sub sub clan. I’ll start from Noole onwards.

Its Noole, Dagga, Qallo, Humbanna, Baraytuma, Oromo, Waaqo, Daadhi, Utte, Biite, Walabu, Jilicha, Dawaro, Offa, Shara, Hadiya, Rabbo, Dorii, Tabbo, Mormor, Mama, Warar, Wayyu, Goda, Marri, Galan, Waddo, Shunkur, Iram.

Start the clip at 7:58 on wards for Oromo to Shankur.

mashallah nice traditional attire, we are not that different.

A while back my friend showed me a video of Oromo or Hararis claiming descendants from Abadir Muse Warwaajecel, and they used the Mareexaan name, not the Arabic name used in literature.

What subclan of Oromo is this ? because it is very possible that there are 1 or 2 marehan subclans that lived in Harar that never moved after the city was lost to the Abyssinian

Oromo is a vast nation of 35 million who claim common ancestor whereas Somalis is small nation of 10-15million who claim 2-4 different ancestry lines, yet Somalis have managed to be very united at times while other times been divided, we have only been divided for 26 years if you look at the larger picture we have been united under both Adal and Ifat prior to it.

We are very similar.

The people in the clip? They are Marawa mostly known as Ittu. They have no connection with Mareehan. These people are Oromo. But also have Argobba amongst them.

The clans in Harar are Noole and Ala.

There is an Ala subclan or sub sub clan called Manchittu who claim they are originally Majerteen. Not many history amongst the Easter Oromos who claim Mareehan. I don’t think most Oromos know of this clan to be honest. The only Darood clans we know are Gerri, Jidwaaq and Ogaden, besides the claim the Ala clan has.

We only know the Dir clans that neighbor us, Hawiye clans, some Habarawal live amongst Noole, the Gerri Kombo, Jidwaaq, Ogadeen etc.. just the clans that we trade and sometimes inter mix with and neighbour us.

I see that with Somalis being united. At the end of the day you are one people with 1 language, culture, religion etc.
Oromos have never been united in history. Reason is because we were all nomads competing with each other. Every clan for its own, so we’d raid each other for cattle, and land. Then religion came in place. Some converted to Islam, Other to Christianity. Those who became Christans allied mostly with the Abbissinyans while the eastern Muslims were still nomads and competing for better lands up until the 19th century.

[Adali]

It’s not weak at all. I can go from Aq and past Oromo.

Not going to give my details or sub sub clan. I’ll start from Noole onwards.

Its Noole, Dagga, Qallo, Humbanna, Baraytuma, Oromo, Waaqo, Daadhi, Utte, Biite, Walabu, Jilicha, Dawaro, Offa, Shara, Hadiya, Rabbo, Dorii, Tabbo, Mormor, Mama, Warar, Wayyu, Goda, Marri, Galan, Waddo, Shunkur, Iram.

Start the clip at 7:58 on wards for Oromo to Shankur.

mashallah nice traditional attire, we are not that different.

A while back my friend showed me a video of Oromo or Hararis claiming descendants from Abadir Muse Warwaajecel, and they used the Mareexaan name, not the Arabic name used in literature.

What subclan of Oromo is this ? because it is very possible that there are 1 or 2 marehan subclans that lived in Harar that never moved after the city was lost to the Abyssinian

Oromo is a vast nation of 35 million who claim common ancestor whereas Somalis is small nation of 10-15million who claim 2-4 different ancestry lines, yet Somalis have managed to be very united at times while other times been divided, we have only been divided for 26 years if you look at the larger picture we have been united under both Adal and Ifat prior to it.

We are very similar.

The people in the clip? They are Marawa mostly known as Ittu. They have no connection with Mareehan. These people are Oromo. But also have Argobba amongst them.

The clans in Harar are Noole and Ala.

There is an Ala subclan or sub sub clan called Manchittu who claim they are originally Majerteen. Not many history amongst the Easter Oromos who claim Mareehan. I don’t think most Oromos know of this clan to be honest. The only Darood clans we know are Gerri, Jidwaaq and Ogaden, besides the claim the Ala clan has.

We only know the Dir clans that neighbor us, Hawiye clans, some Habarawal live amongst Noole, the Gerri Kombo, Jidwaaq, Ogadeen etc.. just the clans that we trade and sometimes inter mix with and neighbour us.

I see that with Somalis being united. At the end of the day you are one people with 1 language, culture, religion etc.
Oromos have never been united in history. Reason is because we were all nomads competing with each other. Every clan for its own, so we’d raid each other for cattle, and land. Then religion came in place. Some converted to Islam, Other to Christianity. Those who became Christans allied mostly with the Abbissinyans while the eastern Muslims were still nomads and competing for better lands up until the 19th century.

Interesting you know so many Darood subclans but not Marehan, a little history about Marehan, we were never allied to Haile Selasi, infact we fought against him directly in 1936

in 1500-1600s we fought against the Abbyssinians, its interesting that you do not know about Marehan at all.

We don't neighbor Eastern Oromo today, we live in Central Somali and Eastern Somali kilil so have no contact with Oromo, apart from he Oromo Boran in south in Negeyle.

However I read about Marehan raiding an Oromo clan near Bali in the 1800s, I forgot the name of the clan but they live just south of Arsi, it is strange we have no diplomatic ties with the Eastern Oromo nor the Hararis, perhaps our existence was wiped out there due to hardcore stance against habasha whereas other somalis took the easy root and accepted habasha rule.

If I come across the video about Abadir Muse Warwaajecle I will post it, maybe you can translate.

In the meantime you should read the book by Richard Burton, he referees to Marehan as Murayhan and says we lived in the land of Harar with the clans including your own at in 1800s

[St8OuttaDirree]

mashallah nice traditional attire, we are not that different.

A while back my friend showed me a video of Oromo or Hararis claiming descendants from Abadir Muse Warwaajecel, and they used the Mareexaan name, not the Arabic name used in literature.

What subclan of Oromo is this ? because it is very possible that there are 1 or 2 marehan subclans that lived in Harar that never moved after the city was lost to the Abyssinian

Oromo is a vast nation of 35 million who claim common ancestor whereas Somalis is small nation of 10-15million who claim 2-4 different ancestry lines, yet Somalis have managed to be very united at times while other times been divided, we have only been divided for 26 years if you look at the larger picture we have been united under both Adal and Ifat prior to it.

We are very similar.

The people in the clip? They are Marawa mostly known as Ittu. They have no connection with Mareehan. These people are Oromo. But also have Argobba amongst them.

The clans in Harar are Noole and Ala.

There is an Ala subclan or sub sub clan called Manchittu who claim they are originally Majerteen. Not many history amongst the Easter Oromos who claim Mareehan. I don’t think most Oromos know of this clan to be honest. The only Darood clans we know are Gerri, Jidwaaq and Ogaden, besides the claim the Ala clan has.

We only know the Dir clans that neighbor us, Hawiye clans, some Habarawal live amongst Noole, the Gerri Kombo, Jidwaaq, Ogadeen etc.. just the clans that we trade and sometimes inter mix with and neighbour us.

I see that with Somalis being united. At the end of the day you are one people with 1 language, culture, religion etc.
Oromos have never been united in history. Reason is because we were all nomads competing with each other. Every clan for its own, so we’d raid each other for cattle, and land. Then religion came in place. Some converted to Islam, Other to Christianity. Those who became Christans allied mostly with the Abbissinyans while the eastern Muslims were still nomads and competing for better lands up until the 19th century.

Interesting you know so many Darood subclans but not Marehan, a little history about Marehan, we were never allied to Haile Selasi, infact we fought against him directly in 1936

in 1500-1600s we fought against the Abbyssinians, its interesting that you do not know about Marehan at all.

We don't neighbor Eastern Oromo today, we live in Central Somali and Eastern Somali kilil so have no contact with Oromo, apart from he Oromo Boran in south in Negeyle.

However I read about Marehan raiding an Oromo clan near Bali in the 1800s, I forgot the name of the clan but they live just south of Arsi, it is strange we have no diplomatic ties with the Eastern Oromo nor the Hararis, perhaps our existence was wiped out there due to hardcore stance against habasha whereas other somalis took the easy root and accepted habasha rule.

If I come across the video about Abadir Muse Warwaajecle I will post it, maybe you can translate.

In the meantime you should read the book by Richard Burton, he referees to Marehan as Murayhan and says we lived in the land of Harar with the clans including your own at in 1800s

I personally know who the Merehan are, but not many others who live in Hararge. Don’t get it wrong, there may be some of your kin amongst us, but the history is completely gone. Everyone is Oromo, and anything foreign has been completely forgotten.

This was a concept of Gudifacha/ Mogasa. Your adopted into a clan, and take the genealogy of those who took you in.

it is known who is from a different ethnic background sometimes. Those who have Islamic/Arabic names going further than 5/6 generations are what Somalis call sheegad/sheegato. They usually are Somali, sometimes Argobba, Harla etc. I’d assume remnants from the Adal sultanate.

The only reason your clan is not known is because you do not border us.

The only clan south of the Arsi would be the Boran or a little to the west being the Guji. Not sure if your clan may have came into contact with the Guji. Boran fore sure though.

Yeah share it if you come across it.

[Adali]

I see Marehan is described in the book as a powerful clan living in East Hararge as well as part of the settled Harar community, with strong alliance with the Gerri who were amirs of Harar at the time in 1800s. We have moved south of Harar since then although there are various Marehan clusters in the Harar area, Dire Dawa, Babile and Jigjiga to this day, but most continuously move south obviously Marehans lands in the south are free from Habasha occupation and are far better, so you will find many Rer Ina Nuur descendants of Nur Ibn Mujahid in Jubaland today, from these Marehan subclans I know more the one I am descendant of, Rer Ugaas Diini, my raas Dalal Ugaas Diini was born in the area near Degahbuur to a Rer Guuleed Ogaden mother, but today we live in Central Somalia and Doollo region as well as Jubaland and Mogadishu, as far as I know even Gerri the Amirs of Harar today live predominantly in Doollo region in Wardheer zone.

Adal has so much cloud over it, who ruled it during the peak of its time, and what happened in the time 1600-1800, Adal powerful and was a huge threat to the Abyssinian so when they got defeated I am sure many Darood, as well as other muslim clans were eradicated, there was a time when the Gulf of Aden today was refereed to as the Gulf of Adal, Siyaad Barre had plans for this which is why he named part of Wuqooyi Galbeed Awdal region.

Yes the Marehan raided the Guji and the Boran, as well as proto-Somali clans such as Rer Diinle and Garre, this is the Southern Marehan section, the Rer Hassan have lived in the south since the Adal times in 1500s, I am from the northern Marehan section, Marehan used to have a kingdom prior to Adal called Ximan kingdom which not much is written about.