Who deleted Waachis Ram Naga thing?

[KowJow]

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Somali clan structure has been redefined a few times over centuries, this is a fact, it is common knowledge that Hawiye, Dir, Raxanweyn, Isaac were fake clans, Daroods share the most authentic lineage but even we have fake lineages like Warsangili and Majerten, remember just a few months ago a Midgaan group tried to claim Majerten lineage but the Majerten elders caught them red handed.

Im not personally interested in giving my dna to unknown organisation who will discover my birthright given to me by allah, but what I will say is if Darood majority have E-V32 except for Majerten and Warsangili, that means Darood still stance as a clan, it has yet not been debunked, if we share sub-clades or not is something we are waiting on but we still can agree that Darood was not easily debunked like Isaac was.

E-V32 is probably the marker for cushetic people. all these subclades are older than Darood who is at most a 1000 years old so we probably will share subclades with certain Oromos, it is common knowledge among Daroods that way way back we are related to some oromos we have some common ancestor probably a couple of thousand years back, remember oromo is not a homogenous group, certain section of oromos are somali.

furthermore Arab claim still stands, we know that the habesha were originally from Africa, moved to Middle east and circled back to Africa, the same could be true for Cushetics, because we know after the prophets death alot of civil war happened in the hejaz and many clans moved especially the prohpets family.


finally Dir are still laangaab T is the marker of a laangaab, it is also the marker of Dajaal



Hold on sxb , don't get ahead of yourself. It has not been established yet that Daarood E-V32 carriers are closely related. Just because majority have E-V32 , doesn't mean you're closely related. If we use that logic , then T-M70 Somalis are related to T-M70 Cushites , but that's not the case since further testing has shown we belong to different subclades of T-M70. For all we know some Daaroods E-V32s could be more closely related to E-V32 Oromos, Hawiyes and Isaaqs than they are to their fellow Daaroods. Forget about E-V32 and focus on the sub-clades , it has to be determined that all Daarood E-V32s share a subclade with eachother and specific SNPs that are unique to Daaroods , only then can you claim your qabiils authenticity.

Until then be content with your membership in the confedaracy crew

Im not personally interested in giving my dna to unknown organisation who will discover my birthright given to me by allah, but what I will say is if Darood majority have E-V32 except for Majerten and Warsangili, that means Darood still stance as a clan, it has yet not been debunked, if we share sub-clades or not is something we are waiting on but we still can agree that Darood was not easily debunked like Isaac was.

E-V32 is probably the marker for cushetic people. all these subclades are older than Darood who is at most a 1000 years old so we probably will share subclades with certain Oromos, it is common knowledge among Daroods that way way back we are related to some oromos we have some common ancestor probably a couple of thousand years back, remember oromo is not a homogenous group, certain section of oromos are somali.

furthermore Arab claim still stands, we know that the habesha were originally from Africa, moved to Middle east and circled back to Africa, the same could be true for Cushetics, because we know after the prophets death alot of civil war happened in the hejaz and many clans moved especially the prohpets family.

You acknowlege that Somali E-V32 and Oromo E-V32 carriers share a common ancestor , and that E-V32 is Cushitic marker , yet you still believe the Arab claim is true. How does that work? , you mean to tell me that Somali E-V32 carriers who have a MRCA 4000-5000 years ago according to expert geneticists and their Oromo cousins all paternally descend from Ali ibn Abu Dalib r.a who lived in the 6th century.

finally Dir are still laangaab

First off i'm not Dir , but Dirs are not laangaab , they may be a bit dispersed all over Somaliwayn , but they are certainly not Laangaab. Their Y-DNA results have been more consistent than your own qabiil which is rife with J , E and T lineages. As for T being laangaab lol T is descended from Haplogroup F , which is the Haplogroup all Eurasian men descend from. E is more of a laangaab lineage and also don't forget that your E1b1a cousins were historcially always adoons and were cucked by my fellow HG-F cousins

T is the marker of a laangaab, it is also the marker of Dajaal

[KowJow]

The article you posted is highlighting the fact that different siblings can inherit different genes, not that that they have different Y-DNA (which is passed down father to son). E1b1b(shared by non-GX/Dir Somalis) and T1a (shared by Dir/GX Somalis) are seperated by tens of thousands of years, so that means Isaaq is a fake confederation and not a real clan. You guys are still probably close to each other due to intermarriage, but you don't share the same lineage.

Garxajis are not only the Isaaq T carriers , several Maxamed Abokor tested positive for it too , and they are the majority of Habar Jeclo. T is also found among the Sacad Muuse and Ciise Muuse. And news flash sxb , every clan is fake to a degree

The small Warsangeli sub-clan for instance have been found to have Haplogroups T-M70 , J-M125 and E-V32. The Majeerteen though being Majority E-V32 also have sub sub clans that are J-M125. Hawiye is predominantly E-V32 , with some Abgaals possessing T-M70. What does this show us ?. That every Somali clan is a confedarcy and not entirely based on common descent.

So lets not pretend the diversity in Haplogroups is something unique to only Isaaqs and that they are the only "fake clan"

Garxajis as a clan are predominantly T-M70, no doubt there will be individuals who are E-V32, but that's because a small proportion of the clan are sheegato/adopted. The same thing with HJ who are predominantly E-V32.

As for the Warsangeli, then what you've stated is baseless. The vast majority (90 % + ) are E-V32, whilst a few people have been found to be J-M125. And this isn't unique to them, I'm guessing that 5 % of each Somali clan will have J carries.

Somali sub clans are not confederation, there is no proof of that. The vast majority of each sub-clan is legit, whilst a small minority are probably adopted.

Where are you getting this idea of Habar Jeclos being majority E-V32?. The only Habar Jeclos who tested positive for E-V32 are the Muse Abokor , their brother clan the Maxamed Abokor have tested positive for T-M70. The only conclusion we can make from these results is that Hj are a mix of E-V32 and T-M70. If it turns out that the Maxamed Abokor are majority T-M70 then by extension HJ will be majority T-M70 since Maxamed Abokor is the larger of the two sub-clans.

How is my statement that the Warsangeli have T-M70 , J-M125 and E-V32 baseless?.

N126711 Ali Warsangeli Darood T-L208
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/somali?iframe=ysnp

the "Ali Saeed" dude with the kit number N93003 in this project is a Warsengeli member of this Forum , he went by GaraadLQ i think. Other forumers can confirm this.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/so ... e=yresults

Where are you getting this estimate of 90% E-V32 for the Warsangeli?. Not that many have tested and the hand full that did had diverse results , this will probably be reflected in their population. I'm not gonna claim they are this % or that % , but i don't think E-V32 is as high 90%. If they were 90% , the probabilty of T-M70 and J-M125 showing up would have been low , but since they showed up as soon as testing begun it makes me think these are major lineages within the Warsangeli and not a mere 10%.

[Waachis]

''Dr Drake Brockman in his book ''British Somaliland'' gives the following account of the Somali tribes:---

Before the advent of Arab proselytisers there either lived on the coast, or, perhaps, only traded with the natives of India, a Hindu named Ram Nag.
This man, in order to form an alliance with the natives of the coast so as to increase his trade, married an Oromo woman who gave birth to a son. This son was the sole heir to all Ram Nag's wealth, which was considerable, and in consequence fo this, as soon as he grew up, the Arab traders gave him the nick-name ''Zumal'' which means ''the wealthy.'' Zumal, or Zumali, had a son called Irrir, who had 3 sons: Dirr, Hawiyeh, and Madoba. From the last named are descended the Issa or Aysa tribes, while the tribe known as Hawiyeh today are the descendants of the 2nd son.

The eldest son, Dirr, only had a daughter, called Dombirra, who, being an heiress, eventually married Darod, an Arab, the son of one Jiberti bin Ismail, who became the ancestor of all the tribes.

The other great division of the Somali, known as the ''Ishaaq,'' are descended from Sheikh Ishaak, one of the earliest of the Arab proselytisers.''

[Title, Jubaland and the Northern Frontier District. Compiled by, Sir Thomas Shenton Whitelegge Thomas. Publisher, Uganda Railway Press, 1917. Page 9]

[zumaale]

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Somali clan structure has been redefined a few times over centuries, this is a fact, it is common knowledge that Hawiye, Dir, Raxanweyn, Isaac were fake clans, Daroods share the most authentic lineage but even we have fake lineages like Warsangili and Majerten, remember just a few months ago a Midgaan group tried to claim Majerten lineage but the Majerten elders caught them red handed.

Hold on sxb , don't get ahead of yourself. It has not been established yet that Daarood E-V32 carriers are closely related. Just because majority have E-V32 , doesn't mean you're closely related. If we use that logic , then T-M70 Somalis are related to T-M70 Cushites , but that's not the case since further testing has shown we belong to different subclades of T-M70. For all we know some Daaroods E-V32s could be more closely related to E-V32 Oromos, Hawiyes and Isaaqs than they are to their fellow Daaroods. Forget about E-V32 and focus on the sub-clades , it has to be determined that all Daarood E-V32s share a subclade with eachother and specific SNPs that are unique to Daaroods , only then can you claim your qabiils authenticity.

Until then be content with your membership in the confedaracy crew

Im not personally interested in giving my dna to unknown organisation who will discover my birthright given to me by allah, but what I will say is if Darood majority have E-V32 except for Majerten and Warsangili, that means Darood still stance as a clan, it has yet not been debunked, if we share sub-clades or not is something we are waiting on but we still can agree that Darood was not easily debunked like Isaac was.

E-V32 is probably the marker for cushetic people. all these subclades are older than Darood who is at most a 1000 years old so we probably will share subclades with certain Oromos, it is common knowledge among Daroods that way way back we are related to some oromos we have some common ancestor probably a couple of thousand years back, remember oromo is not a homogenous group, certain section of oromos are somali.

furthermore Arab claim still stands, we know that the habesha were originally from Africa, moved to Middle east and circled back to Africa, the same could be true for Cushetics, because we know after the prophets death alot of civil war happened in the hejaz and many clans moved especially the prohpets family.

finally Dir are still laangaab T is the marker of a laangaab, it is also the marker of Dajaal

You are also going down the AwRastaale road by talking about a subject you are obviously ignorant of.

You cannot be Cushitic and Ahlul Bayt at the same time. E-V32 is a stereotypical East African/North-East African marker that is found among Cushites, Nilotes/Nilo-Saharans and Semitic speaking Habasha. Your ancestors cooked up a lie by trying to link themselves to Arabs. Ain't it ironic, that my ancestor's origin is in the Middle East but I do not claim to be non-African despite the fact I am distantly related to Arab clan confederations that are rich in Haplogroup T whilst you are clinging on to a fake Arab origin myth story.

As for the supposed Haplogroup T DNA of Dir being Langaab, it is best not to go down that road because you will be caught with Egg On Your Face. The E y-dna family that unites E1b1b and the E1b1a Bantus is estimated to constitute around 10% of the male population of the world. Haplogroup T comes under haplogroup K. This haplogroup unites the vast majority of Europeans, Asians and people in the Americas. Heck the LT branch of Haplogroup K which T comes under probably outnumbers the entire E1b1b family. Even Haplogroup J is a relative of Haplogroup T because they connect together in the IJK Haplogroup; Haplogroup I is common among Scandinavian Germanics whilst J is common among Middle Easterners and other Eurasians.

Nonetheless, all this counts for nothing because it ain't like people identify each other according to male lineages that are tens of thousands years old. A Chinese, Arab, German etc. man won't favour me over you because I descend from the same man as them millenniums ago.

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

What with all of these multinickers.

[zumaale]

What with all of these multinickers.

Spill the Beans Huuno. Nothing worse than cowards that multinick.

[KowJow]

What with all of these multinickers.

No multi-nicking walal , just Jaamactu DNA niggas slapping the Dhegcas outta Bani Hashim wannabes

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

What with all of these multinickers.

No multi-nicking walal , just Jaamactu DNA niggas slapping the Dhegcas outta Bani Hashim wannabes

[Adali]

Hold on sxb , don't get ahead of yourself. It has not been established yet that Daarood E-V32 carriers are closely related. Just because majority have E-V32 , doesn't mean you're closely related. If we use that logic , then T-M70 Somalis are related to T-M70 Cushites , but that's not the case since further testing has shown we belong to different subclades of T-M70. For all we know some Daaroods E-V32s could be more closely related to E-V32 Oromos, Hawiyes and Isaaqs than they are to their fellow Daaroods. Forget about E-V32 and focus on the sub-clades , it has to be determined that all Daarood E-V32s share a subclade with eachother and specific SNPs that are unique to Daaroods , only then can you claim your qabiils authenticity.

Until then be content with your membership in the confedaracy crew

Im not personally interested in giving my dna to unknown organisation who will discover my birthright given to me by allah, but what I will say is if Darood majority have E-V32 except for Majerten and Warsangili, that means Darood still stance as a clan, it has yet not been debunked, if we share sub-clades or not is something we are waiting on but we still can agree that Darood was not easily debunked like Isaac was.

E-V32 is probably the marker for cushetic people. all these subclades are older than Darood who is at most a 1000 years old so we probably will share subclades with certain Oromos, it is common knowledge among Daroods that way way back we are related to some oromos we have some common ancestor probably a couple of thousand years back, remember oromo is not a homogenous group, certain section of oromos are somali.

furthermore Arab claim still stands, we know that the habesha were originally from Africa, moved to Middle east and circled back to Africa, the same could be true for Cushetics, because we know after the prophets death alot of civil war happened in the hejaz and many clans moved especially the prohpets family.

finally Dir are still laangaab T is the marker of a laangaab, it is also the marker of Dajaal

You are also going down the AwRastaale road by talking about a subject you are obviously ignorant of.

You cannot be Cushitic and Ahlul Bayt at the same time. E-V32 is a stereotypical East African/North-East African marker that is found among Cushites, Nilotes/Nilo-Saharans and Semitic speaking Habasha. Your ancestors cooked up a lie by trying to link themselves to Arabs. Ain't it ironic, that my ancestor's origin is in the Middle East but I do not claim to be non-African despite the fact I am distantly related to Arab clan confederations that are rich in Haplogroup T whilst you are clinging on to a fake Arab origin myth story.

As for the supposed Haplogroup T DNA of Dir being Langaab, it is best not to go down that road because you will be caught with Egg On Your Face. The E y-dna family that unites E1b1b and the E1b1a Bantus is estimated to constitute around 10% of the male population of the world. Haplogroup T comes under haplogroup K. This haplogroup unites the vast majority of Europeans, Asians and people in the Americas. Heck the LT branch of Haplogroup K which T comes under probably outnumbers the entire E1b1b family. Even Haplogroup J is a relative of Haplogroup T because they connect together in the IJK Haplogroup; Haplogroup I is common among Scandinavian Germanics whilst J is common among Middle Easterners and other Eurasians.

Nonetheless, all this counts for nothing because it ain't like people identify each other according to male lineages that are tens of thousands years old. A Chinese, Arab, German etc. man won't favour me over you because I descend from the same man as them millenniums ago.

the average Darood does not claim arab, the average Djiboutian claims arab, I meet alot of them in scandinavia, yet Darood origin story is arab while djiboutian is dir.

You are obsessed in disproving our lineage but you have managedto only disprove Isaac funnily enough.

what evidence do you have that the Hejaz Arabs a 1000 years ago were not E-V32 ?

I have evidence that many high ranking family members of prophet moved to East Africa, Hejaz arabs are the darkest skinned arabs to this day, they resemble Somalis in features as well, if you look at other arabs the nose is much bigger, the ears are huge. they look like trolls.

[Adali]

What with all of these multinickers.

No multi-nicking walal , just Jaamactu DNA niggas slapping the Dhegcas outta Bani Hashim wannabes

There is a difference between claiming to be descendant from the prophets and being a coon, first of all Arab identity is fluid, its a language group, not an homogeneous ethnic group.

[KowJow]

What with all of these multinickers.

No multi-nicking walal , just Jaamactu DNA niggas slapping the Dhegcas outta Bani Hashim wannabes

There is a difference between claiming to be descendant from the prophets and being a coon, first of all Arab identity is fluid, its a language group, not an homogeneous ethnic group.

You're an average Cushitic horner with the average Cushitic E-V32 marker , you're no different to the vast majority of Somalis. You and a E-V32 Oromo share the same origin. I have a more believable claim to being Banu Hashim since my Haplogroup originates from the middle east and my closest cousins who share my T-Y16879 sub-clade are found in the Arabian Peninsula and some of them are Meccan Hashemites , even the Quraishi Bani Shaiba who traditionally hold the keys of the Ka'ba belong to my sub-clade. But i have caqli and sharaf and won't claim Arab or Banu Hashim since i know we are only distantly related and our common ancestors predate Arabs and Islam by thousands of years.

Ya ibn Goita Theodorus keep dreaming tho

[Adali]

No multi-nicking walal , just Jaamactu DNA niggas slapping the Dhegcas outta Bani Hashim wannabes

There is a difference between claiming to be descendant from the prophets and being a coon, first of all Arab identity is fluid, its a language group, not an homogeneous ethnic group.

You're an average Cushitic horner with the average Cushitic E-V32 marker , you're no different to the vast majority of Somalis. You and a E-V32 Oromo share the same origin. I have a more believable claim to being Banu Hashim since my Haplogroup originates from the middle east and my closest cousins who share my T-Y16879 sub-clade are found in the Arabian Peninsula and some of them are Meccan Hashemites , even the Quraishi Bani Shaiba who traditionally hold the keys of the Ka'ba belong to my sub-clade. But i have caqli and sharaf and won't claim Arab or Banu Hashim since i know we are only distantly related and our common ancestors predate Arabs and Islam by thousands of years.

Ya ibn Goita Theodorus keep dreaming tho

Im proud relative of Garad Hiraabu, I am also proud of E-V32 the majority in East Africa, there is nothing average about me son.
You have the average laangaab, both in clan and Hablogroup

[ZubeirAwal]

Look at these fake lineages, these daghoot want me to disbelieve in my own ancestry, that's like disbelieving myself

[Lion104]

Im not personally interested in giving my dna to unknown organisation who will discover my birthright given to me by allah, but what I will say is if Darood majority have E-V32 except for Majerten and Warsangili, that means Darood still stance as a clan, it has yet not been debunked, if we share sub-clades or not is something we are waiting on but we still can agree that Darood was not easily debunked like Isaac was.

E-V32 is probably the marker for cushetic people. all these subclades are older than Darood who is at most a 1000 years old so we probably will share subclades with certain Oromos, it is common knowledge among Daroods that way way back we are related to some oromos we have some common ancestor probably a couple of thousand years back, remember oromo is not a homogenous group, certain section of oromos are somali.

furthermore Arab claim still stands, we know that the habesha were originally from Africa, moved to Middle east and circled back to Africa, the same could be true for Cushetics, because we know after the prophets death alot of civil war happened in the hejaz and many clans moved especially the prohpets family.

finally Dir are still laangaab T is the marker of a laangaab, it is also the marker of Dajaal

You are also going down the AwRastaale road by talking about a subject you are obviously ignorant of.

You cannot be Cushitic and Ahlul Bayt at the same time. E-V32 is a stereotypical East African/North-East African marker that is found among Cushites, Nilotes/Nilo-Saharans and Semitic speaking Habasha. Your ancestors cooked up a lie by trying to link themselves to Arabs. Ain't it ironic, that my ancestor's origin is in the Middle East but I do not claim to be non-African despite the fact I am distantly related to Arab clan confederations that are rich in Haplogroup T whilst you are clinging on to a fake Arab origin myth story.

As for the supposed Haplogroup T DNA of Dir being Langaab, it is best not to go down that road because you will be caught with Egg On Your Face. The E y-dna family that unites E1b1b and the E1b1a Bantus is estimated to constitute around 10% of the male population of the world. Haplogroup T comes under haplogroup K. This haplogroup unites the vast majority of Europeans, Asians and people in the Americas. Heck the LT branch of Haplogroup K which T comes under probably outnumbers the entire E1b1b family. Even Haplogroup J is a relative of Haplogroup T because they connect together in the IJK Haplogroup; Haplogroup I is common among Scandinavian Germanics whilst J is common among Middle Easterners and other Eurasians.

Nonetheless, all this counts for nothing because it ain't like people identify each other according to male lineages that are tens of thousands years old. A Chinese, Arab, German etc. man won't favour me over you because I descend from the same man as them millenniums ago.

the average Darood does not claim arab, the average Djiboutian claims arab, I meet alot of them in scandinavia, yet Darood origin story is arab while djiboutian is dir.

You are obsessed in disproving our lineage but you have managedto only disprove Isaac funnily enough.

what evidence do you have that the Hejaz Arabs a 1000 years ago were not E-V32 ?

I have evidence that many high ranking family members of prophet moved to East Africa, Hejaz arabs are the darkest skinned arabs to this day, they resemble Somalis in features as well, if you look at other arabs the nose is much bigger, the ears are huge. they look like trolls.

Hejaz Arabs are the darkest because their grandmothers are Bantus, they have a substantial amount of black blood (25 % on average).

[Lion104]

No multi-nicking walal , just Jaamactu DNA niggas slapping the Dhegcas outta Bani Hashim wannabes

There is a difference between claiming to be descendant from the prophets and being a coon, first of all Arab identity is fluid, its a language group, not an homogeneous ethnic group.

You're an average Cushitic horner with the average Cushitic E-V32 marker , you're no different to the vast majority of Somalis. You and a E-V32 Oromo share the same origin. I have a more believable claim to being Banu Hashim since my Haplogroup originates from the middle east and my closest cousins who share my T-Y16879 sub-clade are found in the Arabian Peninsula and some of them are Meccan Hashemites , even the Quraishi Bani Shaiba who traditionally hold the keys of the Ka'ba belong to my sub-clade. But i have caqli and sharaf and won't claim Arab or Banu Hashim since i know we are only distantly related and our common ancestors predate Arabs and Islam by thousands of years.

Ya ibn Goita Theodorus keep dreaming tho

Haplogroup T is shared by all Horn of Africans including Oromos, Afars, Habeshas etc. Why do you think that you’re closer to Arabians, than all the named above who share your haplogroup? BTW, even the Iraqw who have been living in Tanzania for at least 3000 years share your Haplogroup T.

Why therefore would you want to make it out as if Haplogroup T is a foreign lineage, when its as native to Somalis(and Horn of Africans) as E1b1b(which is also shared by North Africans and Southern Europeans)? Even Haplogroup J can be considered native to the Horn.