Somalis claim that abdi is gonna wage war on issa-somalis and oromos?

[Waachis]

Here we go again the blame game. What 60m Oromo has done against EPRDF with exception of butchering civilians living among them and now blaming Somalis. Don't you feel ashamed of being the spokes-person of Amhara...the same Amhara that had been denying your existence, denied of using your official language, made you low-caste among Ethiopians. It was the first time in history that Oromo language was used in shops, hotels, and schools in Oromia regions, and guess who did it? EPRDF. Keep spewing your rubbish here to the young S/netters, but I am always here to bust your myth. In 1992, was when 4000 Oromo POW captured in a single day by EPRDF, since then all you do is butcher civilian among you and make the loudest noise blaming others.

40 million, not 60, stop exaggerating, you f-king idiot.
2nd of all, nobody mentioned the amhara here. i don't know why you and some somalis are so obsessed with the amhara.
they don't even know you exist.
3rd of all, i was just stating facts, ONLF was never on the level of the OLF, when it comes to armed capabilities, prominence, etc.
4th of all, the oromo language was spoken well before the existence of the tplf/eprdf, i should know, i have family who lived through the previous two regimes.
eprdf doesn't even have a somali party, yet u wanna ceeb ride them like a fag, smh, grow up kid.
in 1992, the OLF made a mistake, and encamped/disarmed, most of its 50,000 soldiers, thinking that free and fair elections would take place.
not to mention how they had the help of the eritrean soldiers to attack the oromo. they felt that much of a threat, that they had to call the eritrean troops in.
somalis kill each other like its a sport, yet u wanna accuse the oromo of killing civilians? hahaha what a joke!
bring peace to mogadishu 1st, before talking sh1t.

[OAF]

Teeri,


So many lies in that post, idk where to start.
First of all, liyu aint in oromia or amara states.
They are busy starting issues with the issa.
Also, ogaden dont run any ethio opposition, stop the lies.
The boran clan completely wiped out a liyu battalion and made them to cry to tplf. They cried and begged them to disarm oromo. Liyu are bitches who fear warriors and only are brave against civilians.

Isnt the ONLF one of ethiopias opposition group? Which was 100 times more effectivly than any oromo opposition grouo.

it is, but it doesn't ''lead the opposition.'' that's a lie.
and ONLF never had more than 6,000 guerrillas, meanwhile, OLF administer huge lands at its peak, and had 50,000 troops in the early 1990s, and was a member of the transitional government, so no, onlf was never on OLF's level.
tplf invaded somalia to fight olf, it invaded kenya to fight olf, it saw it as its biggest threat at one point.

If OLF were on a higher level than ONLF, they would have taken over the country long before tplf and eplf.
And by the way, arent olf the ones who were tricked into giving up their arms?
Despite the fact that onlf has lost some of its powers, they havent given up the fight and their weapons unlike the olfs.

Onlf was also a member of the transitional government but got replaced with the current one.

No, TPLF invaded Somalia to fight of the islamic court, ONLF and OLF being there.

You just spew shit, dont you?

Tell me when and why OLF was seen at as the biggest threat during the invasion of Somalia?

Oromo are deep divided, you have the ones saying oromo before ethiopia and the ones who says their ethiopians but not oromos like you waachis.
Its probably because you as an macca live close to the amhara and if there is a clash between you two, you would be the ones feeling the heat.

So you have to stay loyal to them, why are you blaming cabdi iley of being loyal to his government when you was being loyal to menilik, haile selassie and mengistu?


It seems like you have fully become loyal to tplf again, the amharas are mad at you for giving up the protests after a oromonwas elected, but little does your peanut-size brain know that abiye is another desalegn.

[OAF]

I think thé Idoor kids karbaash has driven the ogadeens crazy.Stop showing off something u dont have.
There are ups and downs in every nations history.

Amharas and Oromo relation goes back hundreds of years...there were times when wé were the villains and times when they were. They are my brotherss thé same way ogaadeen is.

Look if hatred is something fruiful somalis would have been super power.

B.

How come when amhara is mentioned, the oromos like waachis runs and hides under the bed out of fear?

Have the amhara given you that much of a beating?

What makes your people sympathise with those who opressed you like that? Nearly all of the ethiopian history is galla anole massacre stories.

[Waachis]

Isnt the ONLF one of ethiopias opposition group? Which was 100 times more effectivly than any oromo opposition grouo.

it is, but it doesn't ''lead the opposition.'' that's a lie.
and ONLF never had more than 6,000 guerrillas, meanwhile, OLF administer huge lands at its peak, and had 50,000 troops in the early 1990s, and was a member of the transitional government, so no, onlf was never on OLF's level.
tplf invaded somalia to fight olf, it invaded kenya to fight olf, it saw it as its biggest threat at one point.

If OLF were on a higher level than ONLF, they would have taken over the country long before tplf and eplf.
And by the way, arent olf the ones who were tricked into giving up their arms?
Despite the fact that onlf has lost some of its powers, they havent given up the fight and their weapons unlike the olfs.

Onlf was also a member of the transitional government but got replaced with the current one.

No, TPLF invaded Somalia to fight of the islamic court, ONLF and OLF being there.

You just spew shit, dont you?

Tell me when and why OLF was seen at as the biggest threat during the invasion of Somalia?

what kind of logic? you are comparing OLF to ONLF, and then comparing to TPLF and EPLF?
that makes no sense. compare OLF and ONLF, that's what we are discussing.
yes the stupid OLF leaders encamped their army, and paid dearly for it, and to this day, we will never forgive them.
but OLF still exists today, albeit only has 5 to 6,000 troops. ONLF itself is liyyu now, they accepted ethiopian flag, and do the dhanto dance for ethiopia; so please do not lie to us brother.
ONLF was never part of the TGE, the TGE was EPRDF, OLF, and they offered the IFLO (islamic front for the liberation of oromia) a few seats and positions, but they refused.
prove ONLF was part of it. because they didn't even begin true military operations until 1996. 1991 was when mengistu ran, so do the math.
OLF, EPRDF, EPLF, together, took the capital over. there was no ONLF there. the eprdf had to travel to somali region and find their leaders, and that's when they attempted negotiations.
it's a fact that they invaded somalia, for ICU [later] and OLF, because farah aideed was giving guns and training bases to OLF, based in Qoryoley, lower shabelle region. i can prove all of this, let me know, if u need sources. aideed, eritrea, OLF, were allies at the time.
TPLF armed anti aideed forces, who helped them fight OLF too. they also raided kenya fighting the OLF.








''At the same time, the OLF were alleged to be siding with one Somali faction, that of Hussein Aideed, in return for getting arms supplied through Somalia. When the imam of Moyale was assassinated in January 1999, it was said, as we noted, that the imam was helping the OLF by funnelling aid from Arab countries that was coming in via Kisimayu. And, according to sources in Mogadishu Aideed gave the Oromos a base near the Indian Ocean port of Merca. (Nation 28/7/99)'' And so the ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=EqWFA ... 4Q6AEIVzAJ

[OAF]

it is, but it doesn't ''lead the opposition.'' that's a lie.
and ONLF never had more than 6,000 guerrillas, meanwhile, OLF administer huge lands at its peak, and had 50,000 troops in the early 1990s, and was a member of the transitional government, so no, onlf was never on OLF's level.
tplf invaded somalia to fight olf, it invaded kenya to fight olf, it saw it as its biggest threat at one point.

If OLF were on a higher level than ONLF, they would have taken over the country long before tplf and eplf.
And by the way, arent olf the ones who were tricked into giving up their arms?
Despite the fact that onlf has lost some of its powers, they havent given up the fight and their weapons unlike the olfs.

Onlf was also a member of the transitional government but got replaced with the current one.

No, TPLF invaded Somalia to fight of the islamic court, ONLF and OLF being there.

You just spew shit, dont you?

Tell me when and why OLF was seen at as the biggest threat during the invasion of Somalia?

what kind of logic? you are comparing OLF to ONLF, and then comparing to TPLF and EPLF?
that makes no sense. compare OLF and ONLF, that's what we are discussing.
yes the stupid OLF leaders encamped their army, and paid dearly for it, and to this day, we will never forgive them.
but OLF still exists today, albeit only has 5 to 6,000 troops. ONLF itself is liyyu now, they accepted ethiopian flag, and do the dhanto dance for ethiopia; so please do not lie to us brother.
ONLF was never part of the TGE, the TGE was EPRDF, OLF, and they offered the IFLO (islamic front for the liberation of oromia) a few seats and positions, but they refused.
prove ONLF was part of it. because they didn't even begin true military operations until 1996. 1991 was when mengistu ran, so do the math.
OLF, EPRDF, EPLF, together, took the capital over. there was no ONLF there. the eprdf had to travel to somali region and find their leaders, and that's when they attempted negotiations.
it's a fact that they invaded somalia, for ICU [later] and OLF, because farah aideed was giving guns and training bases to OLF, based in Qoryoley, lower shabelle region. i can prove all of this, let me know, if u need sources. aideed, eritrea, OLF, were allies at the time.
TPLF armed anti aideed forces, who helped them fight OLF too. they also raided kenya fighting the OLF.








''At the same time, the OLF were alleged to be siding with one Somali faction, that of Hussein Aideed, in return for getting arms supplied through Somalia. When the imam of Moyale was assassinated in January 1999, it was said, as we noted, that the imam was helping the OLF by funnelling aid from Arab countries that was coming in via Kisimayu. And, according to sources in Mogadishu Aideed gave the Oromos a base near the Indian Ocean port of Merca. (Nation 28/7/99)'' And so the ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=EqWFA ... 4Q6AEIVzAJ

I think you have reading problems, when i said "tplf and eplf" what i meant was they were capeable of taking over the country while OLF at 50k were tricked.

And who told you ONLF is liyu police? It doesnt surprise me for why all of your posts are senseless and emotional topics, if Liyu were ONLF why did they have a meeting in nairobi, ask yourself that question.

ONLF were part of the transitional government yes.

By the time Mengistu regime fell, the ONLF had fully consolidated its position among ethnic Somalis in Ogaden, and joined the Transitional Government. The ONLF announced elections in December 1992 for District Five (what became the Somali Region) in Ethiopia, and won 80% of the seats of the local parliament. 

But after the skirmishes between them and tplf.

At that time the ruling Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front pushed for a new partner in the region, which led to the founding of the Ethiopian Somali Democratic League (ESDL) at Hurso in 1993.

Atleast act a little professional and do a little research.


About the invasion of Somalia, i think you are the one who needs to do math here, aidiid was busy with taking over the country fighting with us and un in the beginning to fighting rival clans, he werent the one who gave any positions or bases to olf, he didnt have time for such a handout, neither did he have the power to do anything like that.

They might have been the al itixaad islamic rebels who gave shelters to them as they did give a base to the onlf in somalia as well.

Aideed died in 1996, the invasion of somalia was in 2006, why? Because they were a threat to ethiopia and they said they would do salaat in harar.

Ethiopia had to go through the ogaden to come to somalia, on the way they had big skirmishes with the ONLF which weakend them a lot, let me also remind you of the obole raid where over 200 ethiopian soldiers were killed.

You have to mention such fights from olf which caught the world attention like the ONLF and the obole raid.

The world knows about ONLF, i cant say the same about olf.

Half of what you posted from olf being in somalia is propaganda made by ethiopia so they could have a legitimate reason to invade somalia, they even went as far as saying eritrean soldiers were taking part of the war.

And please dont post any videos of soldiers with fake firings put as a backround sound, or music videos.

Its not relevant.

[Django]

ABDI ILEY UPS ANTI-OROMO AND ISSA PROPAGANDA

Abdi Iley is playing a dangerous game of incitement. Last night, he organized a meeting with elders and civil servants and said that Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed’s mission in Djibouti was an Oromo/Issa plot to steal “Ogaden oil and land”. Abdi Iley, who massacred the Ogaden for ten years, is trying to use money and incitement at this last hour. He is said to be upset about a reported “evaluation” of Harar based army commanders.

He accused Dr. Abiy and Lemma Megersa of being “ONAG” (OLF).

Meanwhile, as we reported yesterday, Abdi Iley dispatched high-ranking officials led by deputy president of the region to different zones of the region as part of the plan to create “Somali Qeerroos” against what he calls “ONAG” threat.

https://www.facebook.com/rajopage/

You piss of shit need to get a life.You dont hate Abdi but somalis in general and you hide under pretending to hate abdi.
I think you are that Jawar mofo.
You can post 1000 times but

[Waachis]

OAF,




yes indeed, the leadership sold us out, like abdi illey sold out your people for a cheap price; but they will get theirs, and will never be forgiven.
it's not a secret that many ONLF defected to Liyyu, while the rest are too small in number to make a dent in the regional forces/or the federal forces.

about ONLF being part of the TGE, I am sorry--yes you are right, ONLF was part of TGE, but: it said after the derg fell; but it never participated in the major battles that brought it down-as the OLF did, side by side with EPLF and EPRDF. it didn't capture the capital, like the EPLF, EPRDF AND OLF did. After EPRDF, OLF had the most troops, and the most seats.
the ESDL was formed because ONLF called for a referendum in 1994, and the government would not just sit there and watch 33% of ETHIOPIA secede, that's common sense.

read:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/392488.stm

Ethiopia, for example, supported the leaders of Puntland and Somali land for strategic and economic reasons, and backed the RRA to keep the Eritrean supported Aideed at bay and crush the Islamic fundamentalist al-Ittihad in Gedo. Eritrea supported Aideed to frustrate Ethiopia on its southern frontiers, so that Ethiopia would be sandwiched between the Eritrean forces from the north and Eritrean - Aideed -Oromo-alliances from the south..



https://books.google.com/books?id=oFwwA ... 8Q6AEIQzAF




''Ethiopia's relations with Sudan and Djibouti have improved since the conflict with Eritrea, while Ethiopia's long border with Somalia makes it vulnerable to cross-border insecurity and military diversions. Armed Oromo and Somali rebels have stepped up activities since the war began. Ethiopian government troops pursuing Oromo rebels across Ethiopia's southern border have, according to the Kenyan media, occasionally clashed with Kenyan troops. Recent mine incidents which have killed one and injured 12 people near Moyale in northern Kenya are being blamed by local
politicians on OLF activity.

As well as Oromo and Somali armed opposition, mentioned below, Ethiopia had been dealing with a low-level insurgency in the northeastern Afar region. After the de facto independence of Eritrea in 1991, the Afar found themselves divided between three states: Ethiopia, Eritrea and Djibouti. Afar rebels still fighting in Ethiopia are known as the Ugogomo or 'revolution' party. Djiboutian FRUD official Ahmed Dini said he had no recent information about Ugogomo. Some of the disputed areas on the
Ethio-Eritrea border are within the Afar areas. The Eritrean government has published letters which show that Ethiopia was in pursuit of Ugogomo rebels in the Bada area in mid-1997.''




and the OLF was active before the ONLF was even existent.
and it didn't have much backing from anyone-it depended on itself.
not to mention it had to fight Ethiopia, backed by russia, on their western front, and had to fight the somali army, backed by russia too, in the east. with no backing, from no one. that is bravery. imagine if we had the white man arming us too? we'd have kicked ass.


as far as its famous operations, here:



The Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) was founded back in 1973, but there was little or no information about it for many years. Reports about its operations appeared in January 1990, when the Front launched a surprise attack capturing three towns and several villages on Ethiopia's border with Sudan and wiping out a great number of government troops. At that time, the OLF captured Asosa, the chief town of Asosa Province in the west of Ethiopia, and six Cuban doctors who worked in the ...


https://books.google.com/books?id=NwgLA ... sQ6AEINTAD





''The Oromo Liberation Front (OLF) has already liberated areas in Hararghe around the ancient Muslim city of Harar in the east, Wallaga in the west, Arsi, Bale and Sidamo. Most of the OLF's recent successes are concentrated in the Hararghe region (and in Wallaga), where the regime is being denied access to human and material resources. The significance of this event cannot be over-emphasized, because Oromoland provides most of Ethiopia's conscript army and 80 percent of its GDP''


https://books.google.com/books?id=5SttA ... gQ6AEIRDAF


when did ONLF ever administer that much land? OLF administer land in the west, and in the east, parts of oromia.
how much did ONLF ever administer?


https://books.google.com/books?id=XD9oF ... mo&f=false


check out the distrubtion of seats in the TGE too.


also keep in mind that, the TPLF had to join up with OPDO, EPLF, and ANDM, just to fight OLF in their camps, while they handled the ONLF with just their army. that shows who's the bigger threat.

[zidane88]

^^

Teeri, the Knight of Woeful Figure, defending the horners from the beast called Oromo.....dring dring Don Quixote
Teeri the strategist who make alliance with Canfari and Tigree to defeat the 60 million oromos and amharas. U really believe that TPLF/Tigree will make starategic alliance with a little dagoo like u ? Go and read the history of TIgre and Gornder/wollo/.Amhara .
Teeri the analyst who believes Liyu=ONLF : u are insulting the somali martyrs.
Teerii the genius who doesnt even understand why TPLF made him control 95% of ddsi whereas he makes up only 55% (so that every clan looks at u as enemy )
Teerii, who emotionnally invetsed so much in DDSI ...... now that clans are bringing down the OG supremacy he goes and hide under tigre nigis.

Wallaahi Somali maskax laga guummeeysteey Ogaaden ma ahinee maan arkin!

B.

Ma nin oromo ah ayaa leh ogaden ba maskaxda laga gumeystay? Horta kolka hore baro tariikhdaada, ogadeen waxa maanta heerka gaadhsiiyey waa halganka ay ONLF usoo galeen.

Ogaden region tariikheeda hadaad hore u taqaantay, somali kale ba wax ka qaadi kara ogaden maa aadan dhahdeen.

Who told you ogaden only makes up 55% of the region? The gaadaa system?

TPLF alreadt made an alliance with the somalis during the gaalla and amhara uprising, let me remind you of the "oromara" that only oromos used to chant was a alliance between amhara and oromo to face TPLF and ddsi, liyu police not only operated in oromia but deep inside the amhara territory as well.

Oromo were so beaten that they went as low to killing innocent somali travelers and businessmen in awaday.

No clan cab bring down the ogaden supremacy in the region, ever!

Even when there were no ogaden supremacy before cabdi iley, the ONLF were the ones who held the region on lock.

Orom maskiin ah baatahay ee orod mereja ama oromiaforum kasoo dood.

Lets say for the sake of argument wat u said is true
Tell me wat ogadeen gains by going deep in amhara region and massacring them. Helping the same criminal generals who imprisoned thousands of yr countrymen and bragging about it...did they liberate yr prisoners?




B.

Waachis, isn't this another Gaala boy or your other nick being Amhara spokesperson?

[Waachis]

Ma nin oromo ah ayaa leh ogaden ba maskaxda laga gumeystay? Horta kolka hore baro tariikhdaada, ogadeen waxa maanta heerka gaadhsiiyey waa halganka ay ONLF usoo galeen.

Ogaden region tariikheeda hadaad hore u taqaantay, somali kale ba wax ka qaadi kara ogaden maa aadan dhahdeen.

Who told you ogaden only makes up 55% of the region? The gaadaa system?

TPLF alreadt made an alliance with the somalis during the gaalla and amhara uprising, let me remind you of the "oromara" that only oromos used to chant was a alliance between amhara and oromo to face TPLF and ddsi, liyu police not only operated in oromia but deep inside the amhara territory as well.

Oromo were so beaten that they went as low to killing innocent somali travelers and businessmen in awaday.

No clan cab bring down the ogaden supremacy in the region, ever!

Even when there were no ogaden supremacy before cabdi iley, the ONLF were the ones who held the region on lock.

Orom maskiin ah baatahay ee orod mereja ama oromiaforum kasoo dood.

Lets say for the sake of argument wat u said is true
Tell me wat ogadeen gains by going deep in amhara region and massacring them. Helping the same criminal generals who imprisoned thousands of yr countrymen and bragging about it...did they liberate yr prisoners?




B.

Waachis, isn't this another Gaala boy or your other nick being Amhara spokesperson?

mr shiritam zoomali,
yes, he is from the eastern clan; the barentu, and i am from the borana, the western clans.

[Waachis]

Isnt the ONLF one of ethiopias opposition group? Which was 100 times more effectivly than any oromo opposition grouo.

it is, but it doesn't ''lead the opposition.'' that's a lie.
and ONLF never had more than 6,000 guerrillas, meanwhile, OLF administer huge lands at its peak, and had 50,000 troops in the early 1990s, and was a member of the transitional government, so no, onlf was never on OLF's level.
tplf invaded somalia to fight olf, it invaded kenya to fight olf, it saw it as its biggest threat at one point.

If OLF were on a higher level than ONLF, they would have taken over the country long before tplf and eplf.
And by the way, arent olf the ones who were tricked into giving up their arms?
Despite the fact that onlf has lost some of its powers, they havent given up the fight and their weapons unlike the olfs.

Onlf was also a member of the transitional government but got replaced with the current one.

No, TPLF invaded Somalia to fight of the islamic court, ONLF and OLF being there.

You just spew shit, dont you?

Tell me when and why OLF was seen at as the biggest threat during the invasion of Somalia?

Oromo are deep divided, you have the ones saying oromo before ethiopia and the ones who says their ethiopians but not oromos like you waachis.
Its probably because you as an macca live close to the amhara and if there is a clash between you two, you would be the ones feeling the heat.

So you have to stay loyal to them, why are you blaming cabdi iley of being loyal to his government when you was being loyal to menilik, haile selassie and mengistu?


It seems like you have fully become loyal to tplf again, the amharas are mad at you for giving up the protests after a oromonwas elected, but little does your peanut-size brain know that abiye is another desalegn.

btw about the amhara: once again; why are you so obsessed with them? nobody here mentioned them, but YOU, yet you wanna say I'm obsessed with them, or blah blah; how does that make sense, when YOU are the one talking about them over and over?

[zidane88]

Good, Waachis, that he is Oromo. Now, Check what I highlighted, isn't he a spokesperson for Amhara? or you don't know what are you talking about.

[Waachis]

Good, Waachis, that he is Oromo. Now, Check what I highlighted, isn't he a spokesperson for Amhara? or you don't know what are you talking about.

none of us can speak for amhara, but themselves.
and btw, amhara nationalism is still growing. its a new thing. prior to this government, they identified with their locality.
like, 'gojjam,' shoa, wollo, etc. provincial nationalism, kind of thing.
the brother seems to think oromo and amara are brothers. i say, in some places, not everywhere.
because the different oromo clans/regions, reacted differently to the ethiopian empires expansion.
keep in mind that the expansion of menelik was led by an oromo general and an oromo army.
and oromos were the ones who saved meneliks life when the emperor tewodros wanted him dead/or alive.

[bareento]

Warya we oromos hate no one and by no means we hate Amharas.
Many amharas have oromo blood and many oromos have amhara blood; we had our differences and now we are almost friends.

We went upto Gonder and stayed there for a century...why hate a great nation like Amhara.
I dont even hate u the ogaadeens or the idoors.

U somalis are on survival mode ...u think u have to kill/rob or at least hate everyone in order to survive.
Whereas as a son of soil I am not on survival mode. I have seen empires come and go.


B.

[zidane88]

'we Oromos don't hate no one' do you have memory of Goldfish? You've been throwing baseless accusation against Somalis but when caught out you suddenly change your tune. Jawhar kids you never cease to amaze me by your tireless propaganda and smear campaign against Somalis in Ethiopia. One minute you're complaining about EPRDF and declaring war against them, the next you're pacifist keep trying.

[zidane88]

Here's a glimpse of your history, Enjoy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oromo_conflict