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Ben Dover wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:58 pm
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:20 pm
Ben Dover wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:32 pm
Bent Over, angu raga banu iska layne idinka dumarki bay marasa!

Soon there will be no odalisques among the Muse Abokor for my pleasure and exploitation. :x

Calacalka baxaya daawo. Shit is about go down.

:lol: :lol:





I know this is a difficult time for you, but I want you to look closely at this photograph and identify your deleted relative:

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Dont look away, Xaarmarke, look closely at that face, who is this? You are from Dhumay, it must be one of your blood relatives.

Do the nostrils look familiar?

Who is this?
:lol: :lol:

Wlhi, Your one sick person.

Waali cas.

Seek some help poofter.
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Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:43 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:38 pm
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:26 pm

No you only have one plan and that is to succeed from Somalia.

It appears that the possibility of that happening is very very slim now indeed.

So, whats your options? please tell.
Clearly even today I have more representatives in Mogadishu than you. What do you except tomorrow .
Yusuf,

Are you admitting your langaanimo by comparing the entire Isaaq to Dhulos. :lol:

Dhulbahante is a sub sub sub sub clan of Darod.

When it comes to Somalia i don't were the Dhulbahante shad, i put on my Harti, Darod Shad.

Harti alone has more MPs in the Federal government than the entire Isaaq sxb.
Lool I am talking about my HJ . We have more MPS in xamar more ministers. More business. And we are more closer to hawiye. Even if we go to Mars we will always live side by side and and I will be your leader because you are crazy. Dhulbahante malaa,igta garbahooda ka degtay. Tan iyo waagii ingiriiska askari kama dalacdaan . Kkkkkk
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Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:27 pm
Ben Dover wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:58 pm
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:20 pm

Bent Over, angu raga banu iska layne idinka dumarki bay marasa!

Soon there will be no odalisques among the Muse Abokor for my pleasure and exploitation. :x

Calacalka baxaya daawo. Shit is about go down.

:lol: :lol:





I know this is a difficult time for you, but I want you to look closely at this photograph and identify your deleted relative:

Image

Dont look away, Xaarmarke, look closely at that face, who is this? You are from Dhumay, it must be one of your blood relatives.

Do the nostrils look familiar?

Who is this?
:lol: :lol:

Wlhi, Your one sick person.

Waali cas.

Seek some help poofter.
Its ok, you are going through a very difficult time, I understand.

Now look at the picture again, I know it must be hard for you, but we need to identify your barbecued qurjiile relatives:

Image

We know it is definitely a relative of yours since its your hometown. I need you to look closely at the photo, how many members of your immediate family are still missing?

Do the nostrils or the eye-socket remind you of anyone?

I promise you we will get to the bottom of this.
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Ben Dover wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:41 am
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:27 pm
Ben Dover wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:58 pm


I know this is a difficult time for you, but I want you to look closely at this photograph and identify your deleted relative:

Image

Dont look away, Xaarmarke, look closely at that face, who is this? You are from Dhumay, it must be one of your blood relatives.

Do the nostrils look familiar?

Who is this?
:lol: :lol:

Wlhi, Your one sick person.

Waali cas.

Seek some help poofter.
Its ok, you are going through a very difficult time, I understand.

Now look at the picture again, I know it must be hard for you, but we need to identify your barbecued qurjiile relatives:

Image

We know it is definitely a relative of yours since its your hometown. I need you to look closely at the photo, how many members of your immediate family are still missing?

Do the nostrils or the eye-socket remind you of anyone?

I promise you we will get to the bottom of this.
Adeer isku xishood. The man that was killed was an innocent imam who was killed out of nonsensical qabyaalad driven low IQ nonsense. Posting the image of a burnt Muslim who was martyred is very distateful and goes beyond the limits of qabiil banter. Ilaahi cafiis ka raadso Saan si ma aahe.

I advise the moderators of this forum to delete these bloodcurdling images of a dead Muslim imam. Wax yaalaha Qaar ma la soo baandhigo
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Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:20 pm
Ben Dover wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:32 pm
Bent Over, angu raga banu iska layne idinka dumarki bay marasa!

Soon there will be no odalisques among the Muse Abokor for my pleasure and exploitation. :x

Calacalka baxaya daawo. Shit is about go down.

:lol: :lol:




Adeer, avoid staining the dignity of hooyoyinka iyo Sumatra soomaliyeed by slandering them as concubines. Trust me, it REALLY isn’t worth scoring some cheap FKD points.
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Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:08 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:02 pm
Sharmarke91 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:20 amWe believe that it is for the Federal Government of Somalia and Somaliland to reach agreement on their future together, and that it is for those in the region to take the lead in recognising the resulting agreement,” a UK Foreign Office spokeswoman told the Financial Times in response to questions. 

That message is consistent across western governments, said Ahmed Soliman, a Horn of Africa expert at Chatham House in London. “Until there are formal discussions between Mogadishu and Hargeisa, endorsed by the African Union or other regional players, it is unlikely that any country would take the final step [of recognising Somaliland],” he said.

---

What now for the SNM aka Qudhmis?

discuss.
So whats the big deal here? why are you squirting with glee like a virgin in a sexual spasm.? Italian Somalia and Somaliland have to sort out their union or departure. That is reasonable , unlike your title , the statement is totally opposite. The world see Somaliland and Italian Somalia as two equal polity that made what use to be call the Somali Republic , and the world are now saying in the same unilateral manner that joined them they have to agree to dissolve the union. The world didn't say Italian Somalia has to recognize Somaliland, as your clan or ilk insinuates.

Reality is Italian Somalia is a dead horse. Their demise is federalism , where each clan state acts and behaves as though its a sovereign republic , the central government has no power or clout to control or reign in its member state . The only way Italian Somalia clan duopoly ( Daarood and Hawiye maqaaxi) can challenge the republic of somaliland which has much stronger centralized cohesive powers over its territory , is for Italian Somalia to create a strong centralized government and disband federalism , which is impossible.

Firstly, No, they don't! the World perceives Somaliland as an entity equal to Puntland, Jubaland, South-west etc.

You can't keep living the delusional life sxb. The prospects and future of Somalia is presently clear, intelligible and explicit.

The big deal is for decades the Idoor maintained and hoped the world will bestow upon them recognition without considering Somalia's objection. However, the IC have reaffirmed that recognition is in the palms of Somalia as is International Customary Law. Considering, Somalia will NOT recognize Somaliland, am just curious to know what your options are? will you admit defeat and become a federal member state?

You can't deny your foreign affairs ministry is gone done hill during Silanyo's administration. I was listening to your foreign minister talk the other day and the guy was boasting about the 30k facebook likes the ministry had - I laughed si daacad ah :lol:

Your right Xarplayer, Somalia is weak at the moment by international standards (However, stronger than Somaliland), but you can't refute the country has improved and progressed - just look how it was a decade ago in 2008 and the challenges and obstacles it transcended. The future is looking bright - provided things go according to plan the Federal Government should have full effective control of south-central within the next few years.

You Idoor's either lack vision or are in denial.

Your dislike for federalism stems from the fact that its a compromise to your ictiraaf raadis LMAO. The federal system is good for Somali's, it means every state can develop its public services and business sector while power and prosperity will not be centralized in Mogadishu - it called decentralization it is happening in every country in the world. Of course the federal system is new to Somalia, so people will have some difficulty in understanding it but there is nothing more - Farmajo is president and Gaas is a governor.
Your faqash emotions and bias is obvious , at least cloak it with fake somali nationalism like your Daaroods.

First of all Italian Somalia can objects all it wants , the issue is whether Italian Somalia has a legal mandate over Somaliland , which is obviously not. Italian Somalia is not the overlord of Somaliland as its the case with its provinces of Puntland , Jubalnad or whatever Italians Somalia federal states call themselves now. The world recognizes that Somaliland and Somalia created a nation called The Somali Republic a fact most of your faqash love to omit.

The world didn't say Somalia should first recognize Somaliland , for the obvious reasons that there is no such a thing called Somalia . Don't confuse the Somali Republic ( Somaliland + somalia) with the italian Somalia now calling itself Fedral Somalia. The world says Somalia and Somaliland ( the two entities) that formed and created the Somali republic must negotiate their future and agree either to reunite or depart and go sepratly. That doesn't mean Somalia a one party equal to Somaliland can or should recognize somaliland another equal partner of the union.

Somaliland doesn't recognize any federal entity , for the obvious legal reasons that one single party of the former defunct Somali republic can't in its own unilaterally create a federal . In the event Somaliland re-joins the union legally Somaliland can alter all arrangements.

You have to seperate your Daaroodism from the reality on the ground , Somaliland and Somalia are 2 equal partner in tthe somali republic , Somaliland is not part of italian somalia , never was and never will be , both Italian Somalia and Somaliland are legally part of the Somali republic.
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Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:08 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:02 pm
Sharmarke91 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:20 amWe believe that it is for the Federal Government of Somalia and Somaliland to reach agreement on their future together, and that it is for those in the region to take the lead in recognising the resulting agreement,” a UK Foreign Office spokeswoman told the Financial Times in response to questions. 

That message is consistent across western governments, said Ahmed Soliman, a Horn of Africa expert at Chatham House in London. “Until there are formal discussions between Mogadishu and Hargeisa, endorsed by the African Union or other regional players, it is unlikely that any country would take the final step [of recognising Somaliland],” he said.

---

What now for the SNM aka Qudhmis?

discuss.
So whats the big deal here? why are you squirting with glee like a virgin in a sexual spasm.? Italian Somalia and Somaliland have to sort out their union or departure. That is reasonable , unlike your title , the statement is totally opposite. The world see Somaliland and Italian Somalia as two equal polity that made what use to be call the Somali Republic , and the world are now saying in the same unilateral manner that joined them they have to agree to dissolve the union. The world didn't say Italian Somalia has to recognize Somaliland, as your clan or ilk insinuates.

Reality is Italian Somalia is a dead horse. Their demise is federalism , where each clan state acts and behaves as though its a sovereign republic , the central government has no power or clout to control or reign in its member state . The only way Italian Somalia clan duopoly ( Daarood and Hawiye maqaaxi) can challenge the republic of somaliland which has much stronger centralized cohesive powers over its territory , is for Italian Somalia to create a strong centralized government and disband federalism , which is impossible.

Firstly, No, they don't! the World perceives Somaliland as an entity equal to Puntland, Jubaland, South-west etc.

You can't keep living the delusional life sxb. The prospects and future of Somalia is presently clear, intelligible and explicit.

The big deal is for decades the Idoor maintained and hoped the world will bestow upon them recognition without considering Somalia's objection. However, the IC have reaffirmed that recognition is in the palms of Somalia as is International Customary Law. Considering, Somalia will NOT recognize Somaliland, am just curious to know what your options are? will you admit defeat and become a federal member state?

You can't deny your foreign affairs ministry is gone done hill during Silanyo's administration. I was listening to your foreign minister talk the other day and the guy was boasting about the 30k facebook likes the ministry had - I laughed si daacad ah :lol:

Your right Xarplayer, Somalia is weak at the moment by international standards (However, stronger than Somaliland), but you can't refute the country has improved and progressed - just look how it was a decade ago in 2008 and the challenges and obstacles it transcended. The future is looking bright - provided things go according to plan the Federal Government should have full effective control of south-central within the next few years.

You Idoor's either lack vision or are in denial.

Your dislike for federalism stems from the fact that its a compromise to your ictiraaf raadis LMAO. The federal system is good for Somali's, it means every state can develop its public services and business sector while power and prosperity will not be centralized in Mogadishu - it called decentralization it is happening in every country in the world. Of course the federal system is new to Somalia, so people will have some difficulty in understanding it but there is nothing more - Farmajo is president and Gaas is a governor.
Your faqash emotions and bias is obvious , at least cloak it with fake somali nationalism like your Daaroods.

First of all Italian Somalia can objects all it wants , the issue is whether Italian Somalia has a legal mandate over Somaliland , which is obviously not. Italian Somalia is not the overlord of Somaliland as its the case with its provinces of Puntland , Jubalnad or whatever Italians Somalia federal states call themselves now. The world recognizes that Somaliland and Somalia created a nation called The Somali Republic a fact most of your faqash love to omit.

The world didn't say Somalia should first recognize Somaliland , for the obvious reasons that there is no such a thing called Somalia . Don't confuse the Somali Republic ( Somaliland + somalia) with the Italian Somalia now calling itself Federal Somalia. The world says Somalia and Somaliland ( the two entities) that formed and created the Somali republic must negotiate their future and agree either to reunite or depart and go sepratly. That doesn't mean Somalia a one party equal to Somaliland can or should recognize somaliland another equal partner of the union.

Somaliland doesn't recognize any federal entity , for the obvious legal reasons that one single party of the former defunct Somali republic can't in its own unilaterally create a federal . In the event Somaliland re-joins the union legally Somaliland can alter all arrangements.

You have to separate your Daaroodism from the reality on the ground , Somaliland and Somalia are 2 equal partner in tthe somali republic , Somaliland is not part of Italian somalia , never was and never will be , both Italian Somalia and Somaliland are legally part of the Somali republic.
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Hennystreak wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:02 am
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:20 pm
Ben Dover wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:32 pm
Bent Over, angu raga banu iska layne idinka dumarki bay marasa!

Soon there will be no odalisques among the Muse Abokor for my pleasure and exploitation. :x

Calacalka baxaya daawo. Shit is about go down.

:lol: :lol:




Adeer, avoid staining the dignity of hooyoyinka iyo Sumatra soomaliyeed by slandering them as concubines. Trust me, it REALLY isn’t worth scoring some cheap FKD points.
Adr this guy is a psychopath. Your forced to stoop to his level (although its frankly embarrassing).
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Ben Dover wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:41 am
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:27 pm
Ben Dover wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:58 pm


I know this is a difficult time for you, but I want you to look closely at this photograph and identify your deleted relative:

Image

Dont look away, Xaarmarke, look closely at that face, who is this? You are from Dhumay, it must be one of your blood relatives.

Do the nostrils look familiar?

Who is this?
:lol: :lol:

Wlhi, Your one sick person.

Waali cas.

Seek some help poofter.
Its ok, you are going through a very difficult time, I understand.

Now look at the picture again, I know it must be hard for you, but we need to identify your barbecued qurjiile relatives:

Image

We know it is definitely a relative of yours since its your hometown. I need you to look closely at the photo, how many members of your immediate family are still missing?

Do the nostrils or the eye-socket remind you of anyone?

I promise you we will get to the bottom of this.
Seek some help weirdo. Xayadi ba ka dhimataye!
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:29 am
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:43 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:38 pm

Clearly even today I have more representatives in Mogadishu than you. What do you except tomorrow .
Yusuf,

Are you admitting your langaanimo by comparing the entire Isaaq to Dhulos. :lol:

Dhulbahante is a sub sub sub sub clan of Darod.

When it comes to Somalia i don't were the Dhulbahante shad, i put on my Harti, Darod Shad.

Harti alone has more MPs in the Federal government than the entire Isaaq sxb.
Lool I am talking about my HJ . We have more MPS in xamar more ministers. More business. And we are more closer to hawiye. Even if we go to Mars we will always live side by side and and I will be your leader because you are crazy. Dhulbahante malaa,igta garbahooda ka degtay. Tan iyo waagii ingiriiska askari kama dalacdaan . Kkkkkk
Lol, No you meant Isaaq. Don't lie.

Anyway, if you wanna compare HJ to Dhulos we have more representation than you.

We have to 12 MPs whiles you have 8.

We have a minister in every government whiles you get one once in a blue moon.

No body is even heard of Habar Jeclo west of Las Anod sxb. Laguma yaqaanba lol.

In terms of Business Hass Petroleum alone is worth more than Dahabshiil and Indharadero put together.

And come please since when was HJ ever leaders, at least say Isaaqa kale, but HJ even as an outside I view as the lowest Isaaq clan ay Isaaqa kale yasan.

Inti yarad ee odaygi siilanyo ee xanusanyay uu meesha joogay bad mala is mooday inan dadka gobta ah ku soo biirtay lol.

Is haber jeclo even a clan or a uterine group?
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Sharmarke91 wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:31 pm Seek some help weirdo. Xayadi ba ka dhimataye!
As the master of the qurjiile slave that was barbecued by our Bahararsame servants, I share your feelings of sorrow and loss.

I am trying to help locate and identify your dead relatives in Dhumay.

So, again, its hard but you have to do it. Concentrate and look at them nostrils, do they remind you of anyone from your family? Your brother perhaps? Maybe even an uncle?

To which of your immediate family do these burnt nostrils belong?

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You can do it.
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"In terms of Business Hass Petroleum alone is worth more than Dahabshiil and Indharadero put together"

:damn:
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X.Playa wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 pm
Sharmarke91 wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:08 pm
X.Playa wrote: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:02 pm

So whats the big deal here? why are you squirting with glee like a virgin in a sexual spasm.? Italian Somalia and Somaliland have to sort out their union or departure. That is reasonable , unlike your title , the statement is totally opposite. The world see Somaliland and Italian Somalia as two equal polity that made what use to be call the Somali Republic , and the world are now saying in the same unilateral manner that joined them they have to agree to dissolve the union. The world didn't say Italian Somalia has to recognize Somaliland, as your clan or ilk insinuates.

Reality is Italian Somalia is a dead horse. Their demise is federalism , where each clan state acts and behaves as though its a sovereign republic , the central government has no power or clout to control or reign in its member state . The only way Italian Somalia clan duopoly ( Daarood and Hawiye maqaaxi) can challenge the republic of somaliland which has much stronger centralized cohesive powers over its territory , is for Italian Somalia to create a strong centralized government and disband federalism , which is impossible.

Firstly, No, they don't! the World perceives Somaliland as an entity equal to Puntland, Jubaland, South-west etc.

You can't keep living the delusional life sxb. The prospects and future of Somalia is presently clear, intelligible and explicit.

The big deal is for decades the Idoor maintained and hoped the world will bestow upon them recognition without considering Somalia's objection. However, the IC have reaffirmed that recognition is in the palms of Somalia as is International Customary Law. Considering, Somalia will NOT recognize Somaliland, am just curious to know what your options are? will you admit defeat and become a federal member state?

You can't deny your foreign affairs ministry is gone done hill during Silanyo's administration. I was listening to your foreign minister talk the other day and the guy was boasting about the 30k facebook likes the ministry had - I laughed si daacad ah :lol:

Your right Xarplayer, Somalia is weak at the moment by international standards (However, stronger than Somaliland), but you can't refute the country has improved and progressed - just look how it was a decade ago in 2008 and the challenges and obstacles it transcended. The future is looking bright - provided things go according to plan the Federal Government should have full effective control of south-central within the next few years.

You Idoor's either lack vision or are in denial.

Your dislike for federalism stems from the fact that its a compromise to your ictiraaf raadis LMAO. The federal system is good for Somali's, it means every state can develop its public services and business sector while power and prosperity will not be centralized in Mogadishu - it called decentralization it is happening in every country in the world. Of course the federal system is new to Somalia, so people will have some difficulty in understanding it but there is nothing more - Farmajo is president and Gaas is a governor.
Your faqash emotions and bias is obvious , at least cloak it with fake somali nationalism like your Daaroods.

First of all Italian Somalia can objects all it wants , the issue is whether Italian Somalia has a legal mandate over Somaliland , which is obviously not. Italian Somalia is not the overlord of Somaliland as its the case with its provinces of Puntland , Jubalnad or whatever Italians Somalia federal states call themselves now. The world recognizes that Somaliland and Somalia created a nation called The Somali Republic a fact most of your faqash love to omit.

The world didn't say Somalia should first recognize Somaliland , for the obvious reasons that there is no such a thing called Somalia . Don't confuse the Somali Republic ( Somaliland + somalia) with the Italian Somalia now calling itself Federal Somalia. The world says Somalia and Somaliland ( the two entities) that formed and created the Somali republic must negotiate their future and agree either to reunite or depart and go sepratly. That doesn't mean Somalia a one party equal to Somaliland can or should recognize somaliland another equal partner of the union.

Somaliland doesn't recognize any federal entity , for the obvious legal reasons that one single party of the former defunct Somali republic can't in its own unilaterally create a federal . In the event Somaliland re-joins the union legally Somaliland can alter all arrangements.

You have to separate your Daaroodism from the reality on the ground , Somaliland and Somalia are 2 equal partner in tthe somali republic , Somaliland is not part of Italian somalia , never was and never will be , both Italian Somalia and Somaliland are legally part of the Somali republic.
No, the world is saying Somaliland can only be recognized if Somalia grants its independence. The precedent was set in South Sudan, Eritrea, Timor Leste etc.

OK lets go with your thinking.

Somalia i.e. the Federal Republic of Somalia transformed from the original Somali Republic. Legally this transition is not void because the Act of Union created the Somali Republic not the constitution - there is a difference. Whilst the constitutions created the various governments such the Somali Democratic Republic, the Republic of Somalia and The Federal Republic of Somalia.

Hence, the sovereignty of the former British Protectorate which it voluntarily relinquished and transferred to the Somali Republic is today possessed by the current federal government.The legal entity of the State of Somaliland ceased to exist upon unification with Italian Somalia. Consequently, lawfully, the current Somaliland has not legal bases to claim its the former State of Somaliland.

For the current Republic of Somaliland to become independent the Federal Government of Somalia must agree to forsake and renounce its claim to its north western territory because after all sovereignty is vested in it. So, told Somaliland is no different to Puntland or Jubaland.
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Sharmarke91 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:20 amWe believe that it is for the Federal Government of Somalia and Somaliland to reach agreement on their future together, and that it is for those in the region to take the lead in recognising the resulting agreement,” a UK Foreign Office spokeswoman told the Financial Times in response to questions. 

That message is consistent across western governments, said Ahmed Soliman, a Horn of Africa expert at Chatham House in London. “Until there are formal discussions between Mogadishu and Hargeisa, endorsed by the African Union or other regional players, it is unlikely that any country would take the final step [of recognising Somaliland],” he said.

---

What now for the SNM aka Qudhmis?

discuss.
If you read exactly what you posted it belies your own assertion now. The world did not say Somalia has the power to recognize Somaliland or visa versa the world said that both entites should decide their future seprate or together through dialoge, and the rest of the world will abide by whatever result .
Somalia i.e. the Federal Republic of Somalia transformed from the original Somali Republi
No it can't , if Somaliland decide to rejoin the union that official name " somalia" will have to be changed , since Somalia only referes to one part of the union.
Legally this transition is not void because the Act of Union created the Somali Republic not the constitution - there is a difference
.

There was and is no act of union . The answer to that part is very simple.
Hence, the sovereignty of the former British Protectorate which it voluntarily relinquished and transferred to the Somali Republic is today possessed by the current federal governmen.
where did Somaliland ever relinquished its soverignty to modern Somalia??? don't make up words and with it a new history and revisionsim . Somaliland and Somalia joined together forming a united state called the Somali Republic, how can that be called " relinquishing" anything? and if relinquishing is your key word, we can also argue logically that Italian Somalia by joining Somaliland and thus creating the new Somali Republic that they have relinquished their and transefered their soverignty also. Why not apply your twisted logic to Somalia also?? oh i fogot your Daaroodism and hate again is clouding your judgment.

For the current Republic of Somaliland to become independent the Federal Government of Somalia must agree to forsake and renounce its claim to its north western territory because after all sovereignty is vested in it. So, told Somaliland is no different to Puntland or Jubaland.

Again your logic is silly and groundless , Somaliland is not and was not part of this "somalia" , Somaliland and Somalia were equal parteners creating a union so thus Italian Somalia has no claim over somaliland , what italian somalia has claim over is mainting the union whereas Somaliland is opting for disolving the union , there is no territroial claim since Somalia an Italian colony and Somaliland a British colony were not part of one another .
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Re: UK - Somalia must recognize first.

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X.Playa wrote: Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:06 pm
Sharmarke91 wrote: Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:20 amWe believe that it is for the Federal Government of Somalia and Somaliland to reach agreement on their future together, and that it is for those in the region to take the lead in recognising the resulting agreement,” a UK Foreign Office spokeswoman told the Financial Times in response to questions. 

That message is consistent across western governments, said Ahmed Soliman, a Horn of Africa expert at Chatham House in London. “Until there are formal discussions between Mogadishu and Hargeisa, endorsed by the African Union or other regional players, it is unlikely that any country would take the final step [of recognising Somaliland],” he said.

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What now for the SNM aka Qudhmis?

discuss.
If you read exactly what you posted it belies your own assertion now. The world did not say Somalia has the power to recognize Somaliland or visa versa the world said that both entites should decide their future seprate or together through dialoge, and the rest of the world will abide by whatever result .
Somalia i.e. the Federal Republic of Somalia transformed from the original Somali Republi
No it can't , if Somaliland decide to rejoin the union that official name " somalia" will have to be changed , since Somalia only referes to one part of the union.
Legally this transition is not void because the Act of Union created the Somali Republic not the constitution - there is a difference
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There was and is no act of union . The answer to that part is very simple.
Hence, the sovereignty of the former British Protectorate which it voluntarily relinquished and transferred to the Somali Republic is today possessed by the current federal governmen.
where did Somaliland ever relinquished its soverignty to modern Somalia??? don't make up words and with it a new history and revisionsim . Somaliland and Somalia joined together forming a united state called the Somali Republic, how can that be called " relinquishing" anything? and if relinquishing is your key word, we can also argue logically that Italian Somalia by joining Somaliland and thus creating the new Somali Republic that they have relinquished their and transefered their soverignty also. Why not apply your twisted logic to Somalia also?? oh i fogot your Daaroodism and hate again is clouding your judgment.

For the current Republic of Somaliland to become independent the Federal Government of Somalia must agree to forsake and renounce its claim to its north western territory because after all sovereignty is vested in it. So, told Somaliland is no different to Puntland or Jubaland.

Again your logic is silly and groundless , Somaliland is not and was not part of this "somalia" , Somaliland and Somalia were equal parteners creating a union so thus Italian Somalia has no claim over somaliland , what italian somalia has claim over is mainting the union whereas Somaliland is opting for disolving the union , there is no territroial claim since Somalia an Italian colony and Somaliland a British colony were not part of one another .
The world is unequivocally declaring that for Somaliland to gain recognition it must first open dialogue with Somalia and Somalia via that dialogue must agree to recognize Somaliland as equal sovereign state. Thus if Somalia refuses to grant this recognition, there is no option for Somaliland to but to remain as part of Somalia. This global decree contradicts what Somalilanders have argued for the last 30 years which was 'recognition will be conferred on as with or without Somalia's approval'. For this its accepted that the world desires for Somaliland follow the same route as South Sudan, Eritrea and Timor-Leste were the parent country granted Independence after many decades of struggling to gain independence.

Somalia would not only be recognizing Somaliland it would also be granting it independence. Which are two different legal principles.

You seem to be stuck on the name 'Somalia' - countries change the names all the time, most recently Swaziland changed its name . When determining the de jure existence of a sovereign independent state you have to look at how it was created in law. As I explained the Somali Republic was created in law (as a legal entity) when the British Somaliland Protectorate and 'Trust Territory of Somaliland under Italian administration' became the State of Somaliland and the State of Somalia respectively and unified to become the Somali Republic by passing the Act of Union. They both relinquished their sovereignty.

The Somali Republic was created as a legal entity for the moment when both parliaments of Somaliland and Somalia passed the Act of Union (although some argue the act wasn't passed correctly, but that's an issue for another discussion).

Here you can find the Act of Union - https://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2013/july ... a_law.aspx

Therefore, both Somaliland an Italian Somaliland ceased to exist in law. They both have no legal claims to gain back sovereignty because the Act of Union didn't stipulate they can gain back sovereignty when ever they wished (if they weren't happy with the union). So, its not Italian Somalia that is denying the modern day Somaliland recognition and Independence its the Somali Republic which happened to change its name to the Federal Republic of Somalia. The legal entity of The Somali Republic going forward from its creation in 1960 was free and entitled to change its name, constitution and territorial bounders if it wished.

So, Somaliland today is a de facto state (existing in reality) but not in law - Legally its part of the Somalia. And since its legally part of Somalia international law allows Somalia to either renounce its claims to the Somaliland territory or keep it as part of this territorial sovereignty.

This is nothing to do with Darod its simple international law.
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