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Re: north is ready to reunite with the rest of the country

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Ben Dover wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:19 pm International law is on my side.

Historic precedent is on my side.

Demographics are on my side.

African Union requirement of colonial borders is on my side

None of us are in a position to delegate this. I guess what I was trying to do was explain the difference between your unrealistic tribal fantasy, which is akin of me as an Isaaq demanding self-determination and demarcation of international borders along clan lines, village by village, which would never happen, and the reality on the ground.

Somaliland's destiny will be decided by the will of majority of people of Somaliland as a unit. There is no room for clans (and subclans, and jufos...etc) to demand self-determination on individual basis. Thats absurd argument.

You better believe Somalia is aware of how strong Somaliland's legal case is.
I find it truly hard one in your position can be that delusional, but whatever it becomes I hope it comes through peace and negotiations. :up:

p.s. First time I have seen you respond to me without saying hooyada was and other uncouth epithets. Congrats
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Voltage wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:27 pm
Ben Dover wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:19 pm International law is on my side.

Historic precedent is on my side.

Demographics are on my side.

African Union requirement of colonial borders is on my side

None of us are in a position to delegate this. I guess what I was trying to do was explain the difference between your unrealistic tribal fantasy, which is akin of me as an Isaaq demanding self-determination and demarcation of international borders along clan lines, village by village, which would never happen, and the reality on the ground.

Somaliland's destiny will be decided by the will of majority of people of Somaliland as a unit. There is no room for clans (and subclans, and jufos...etc) to demand self-determination on individual basis. Thats absurd argument.

You better believe Somalia is aware of how strong Somaliland's legal case is.
I find it truly hard one in your position can be that deluded, but whatever it becomes I hope it comes through peace and negotiations. :up:
The deluded one is he who pretends his uncle who is guarded by foreign troops in their thousands in his own capital city can bring about any sort of meaningful change to the sad state of Somalia.

You have your own problems to worry about. Someone like you whose people suffer direct, physical occupation by the likes of KDF should not be worried about Somalis in Sool, Sanaag, Awdal, or Hargeisa.

Sort your own house first :up:
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Ben Dover wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:19 pm International law is on my side.

Historic precedent is on my side.

Demographics are on my side.

African Union requirement of colonial borders is on my side

None of us are in a position to delegate this. I guess what I was trying to do was explain the difference between your unrealistic tribal fantasy, which is akin of me as an Isaaq demanding self-determination and demarcation of international borders along clan lines, village by village, which would never happen, and the reality on the ground.

Somaliland's destiny will be decided by the will of majority of people of Somaliland as a unit. There is no room for clans (and subclans, and jufos...etc) to demand self-determination on individual basis. Thats absurd argument.

You better believe Somalia is aware of how strong Somaliland's legal case is.

Nigga wrote us an essay. Anyway if the white man gets out his qalin and ruler and draws some lines you'll be another country (not bothered to arhue over technicality of words). He hasn't drawn a line in the 21st century so the people of Awdal to Togdheer to Sool and Sanaag are viewed as citizens of Somalia by the big fat white man with his ruler and pencil.
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nine wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:35 pm Nigga wrote us an essay. Anyway if the white man gets out his qalin and ruler and draws some lines you'll be another country (not bothered to arhue over technicality of words). He hasn't drawn a line so the people of Awdal to Togdheer to Sool and Sanaag are viewed as citizens of Somalia by the big fat white man with his ruler and pencil.
You mean the same white whose recognition is the sole thing you have to show for as a 'country'? :)

Spare us the false indignation. You are only surviving based on that white man's recognition of your failed country as a legitimate entity, and the same white man's generous handouts to African Union troops to guard you against yourself.

You are in a more desperate need of that white man's handouts than me.
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The great nation of Garxajis will answer the question of secession. The ignoble Oromo farmers and Habar Xabushedo don't speak for the ppl of SL

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Ben Dover wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:40 pm
nine wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:35 pm Nigga wrote us an essay. Anyway if the white man gets out his qalin and ruler and draws some lines you'll be another country (not bothered to arhue over technicality of words). He hasn't drawn a line so the people of Awdal to Togdheer to Sool and Sanaag are viewed as citizens of Somalia by the big fat white man with his ruler and pencil.
You mean the same white whose recognition is the sole thing you have to show for as a 'country'? :)

Spare us the false indignation. You are only surviving based on that white man's recognition of your failed country as a legitimate entity, and the same white man's generous handouts to African Union troops to guard you against yourself.

You are in a more desperate need of that white man's handouts than me.

Big fat whitey still says you are citizen of Somalia. Kindly wait in line with the other folks from different parts lf the World who also want fat cadaan to draw some lines.
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Embitered 21st century Garxajis :snoop:

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ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:47 pm The great nation of Garxajis will answer the question of secession. The ignoble Oromo farmers and Habar Xabushedo don't speak for the ppl of SL

:up:
The only thing that unites isaaq is our common history of karbaashing your folks. We turned that legacy into our 1st pillar of isaqism . Halkay ashahaadu islamka ugu jirto bay SNM noogu jirta.
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nine wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:50 pm Big fat whitey still says you are citizen of Somalia. Kindly wait in line with the other folks from different parts lf the World who also want fat cadaan to draw some lines.
I understand why you value the white man's word like you do, your entire political existence depends on the white man's whim.

Imagine if the white man decides to rescind the recognition he has given you, how many hours would your uncle last in Mogadishu? :)

My President is ruling his country fine without the white man's recognition, or African Union troops. We only need it for access to international financial apparatus.

Forget about the white man, your people's political relevance depends on the black man's whims, you being a subject of KDF in Jubaland and all :lol:
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:55 pm
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Fri Nov 30, 2018 5:47 pm The great nation of Garxajis will answer the question of secession. The ignoble Oromo farmers and Habar Xabushedo don't speak for the ppl of SL

:up:
The only thing that unites isaaq is our common history of karbaashing your folks. We turned that legacy into our 1st pillar of isaqism . Halkay ashahaadu islamka ugu jirto bay SNM noogu jirta.
Ma gaal ba tahay? Wtf
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There is no need to turn this issue into tribal wrestling ground. That plays into the favor of the secessionists. They love the idea of 'it's us vs them' when in reality it's not.

So never suggest this particular reer will go with it or won't go with it. They desperate for that and that gives them ammunition.

The northern Somalis know best how to dismantle the project. You have to follow their leadership.

The best way is the youth and providing solution and alternative to all the social ills that isolation project cannot solve as unrecognised entity.

Jobs, education, marriage and building that family is the forefront of issues and we have to target that.

These recruits will do the job from there.

Also isolating them further internationally and within the region are key. We do not blockade aid for northern Somali Republic instead we need northerners to register institutions and agencies in the capital and those should be the only ones that receive aid from international community.

Let me give you an example.

say SuldaanofSanaag opened Sanaag Advocacy an agency that supports social projects such as Sanaag farmers and pastoralist communities. We then give them a certificate of recognition as long as Suldaanka is inline with Somali Unity values and ideals.

Then we advise international community to direct their aid to agencies like such.

The rest we block them including the likes of Somaliland Development Fund. The international donors must go through proper channels to respect the sovereignty of an independent nation undergoing political reforms and stabilisation efforts.

Also all Hawala funds must go through Somali embassies to ensure they are not ending up in the hands of terrorists that means all hawala must register with Somali Government and sign papers that entail the unity of Somali Republic and must display their recognition paper in their offices same way shops have "Halal" signage.

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Any agency that doesn't comply we advise Western, Arab nations and allies they do business with them at their own risks. This can by done by first drafting compliance laws by hiring well established lawyers both from Somali background and Western especially experts on English law. Once that's drafted you have to join and submit your papers to various organisations and governments who will recognise your membership. Then globally recognised compliance letters can be issued by Somali Central Bank.

The goal should be to sanction the isolationist leaders and their lies but not to punish the people. They can still access their daily lives through well planned and maintained avenues.

Establishing a contact is key too and regular meetings. The Isolation project will arrest more and more youth until their prisons cannot take no more and the international community is fed up too. Whenever they build a new prison, unionists need to build one more school.

The key is within and in particular the youth----they want to go places and make something of themselves rather than guard and live by isolation doctrines that make no relevance to the reality. If they can work they would work on individuals like myself.

I am telling you we are just waiting for that moment. All northern regions are. This is the blueprint of dismantling the project.
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I agree the Somali people are one, the Somali republic is one, we are looking to unite the Five Somali Regions, not divide it! When any Somali feels isolated or in need we all come together, when any Somali Town or region under foreign Occupation feels marginalized or attacked by others they Sing The Somali National Anthem and raise the Somali Flag!

We all Lost people do to the civil war, stop this victim mentality.
The Somali Government should support NGO’s and direct International Funds to them, and help people in the North Directly while Isolating the Seccionist, who prey on People for 30 years, making them victims, and stealing from them, their money, their youth and their future.
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PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:01 am I agree the Somali people are one, the Somali republic is one, we are looking to unite the Five Somali Regions, not divide it! When any Somali feels isolated or in need we all come together, when any Somali Town or region under foreign Occupation feels marginalized or attacked by others they Sing The Somali National Anthem and raise the Somali Flag!

We all Lost people do to the civil war, stop this victim mentality.
The Somali Government should support NGO’s and direct International Funds to them, and help people in the North Directly while Isolating the Seccionist, who prey on People for 30 years, making them victims, and stealing from them, their money, their youth and their future.

Good to see another northerner who understands the jigsaw.

Exactly that.

And northerners have to go down to the capital as one united front and correct the mistakes of the past.

North needs more investments and should have its own engine that turns autonomously within the union.

No kids should need to travel to Mogadishu to access hospital or attend a decent school.
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AwRastaale wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:14 am
PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:01 am I agree the Somali people are one, the Somali republic is one, we are looking to unite the Five Somali Regions, not divide it! When any Somali feels isolated or in need we all come together, when any Somali Town or region under foreign Occupation feels marginalized or attacked by others they Sing The Somali National Anthem and raise the Somali Flag!

We all Lost people do to the civil war, stop this victim mentality.
The Somali Government should support NGO’s and direct International Funds to them, and help people in the North Directly while Isolating the Seccionist, who prey on People for 30 years, making them victims, and stealing from them, their money, their youth and their future.

Good to see another northerner who understands the jigsaw.

Exactly that.

And northerners have to go down to the capital as one united front and correct the mistakes of the past.

North needs more investments and should have its own engine that turns autonomously within the union.

No kids should need to travel to Mogadishu to access hospital or attend a decent school.
True our People need more direct investments from the Somali State, we cannot be hijacked by a Mafia that’s sucking the people dry. Only brainwashing them and turning them to victims. Citizens need Medical care, help with farms, Livestock, Access and new Markets for their products. Roads that make transport cheaper and help movement of people and produce. Shelter and food for the needy.

Northern Unionists need to push the Federal Government to do more. The international community supports the Government and would demand The Seccionist to come to the table, you can’t have it all in negotiations the north might get a federal state or 2 but not independence.
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Re: north is ready to reunite with the rest of the country

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PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:01 am I agree the Somali people are one, the Somali republic is one, we are looking to unite the Five Somali Regions, not divide it! When any Somali feels isolated or in need we all come together, when any Somali Town or region under foreign Occupation feels marginalized or attacked by others they Sing The Somali National Anthem and raise the Somali Flag!

We all Lost people do to the civil war, stop this victim mentality.
The Somali Government should support NGO’s and direct International Funds to them, and help people in the North Directly while Isolating the Seccionist, who prey on People for 30 years, making them victims, and stealing from them, their money, their youth and their future.
We are like a powerful drug cartel . The peaple love us because we protect them, and we give them what ever they need power, jobs, contracts, drugs, any kind of an opportunity . The so called zoomalia government can't even protect its own headquarters. teenagers are bombing zoomalia every week.

Every sub clan chief is in our payroll. Every man with a gun can automatically join our army and collect his wages straight away. We have What we call NOW it's the organisation for the women. We have thousands of NOW members in every town their sole job is to sing louder every time our leaders pass by by . We have dozens of international lobbying firms in our payroll their job is to advertise our republic and flood the media with good news from somaliland every week. Who on earth will read snet when the new York times is saying "Somaliland the best kept secret in Africa "
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