wadnahadhiiga wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:42 pm
Kacaan Communist Ragime turn what was known Mogadishu The white peal of the Indian Ocean into a trash.
Nicknamed white pearl the beautiful Ajuraan, Hiraab and arab Saciid barqash white arthitactures when Italians came they loved So much and adopted these white theme ans took it to a whole new level.
This can be seen bellow clips.
And this is even late 1930s before Italian started massive Mogadishu development
What was then The white peal of indian Ocean the Kacaan ragime came and turned into trash by introducing ugly communist taribuunka red green kaki colours and ugly small houses on top of that too much rubbish. Mogadishu in 80s become trash ugly city
Sxb stop worshipping colonialism and Italians who climbed to the backs of your father's to cross webi Shabelle and instead credit your own.
Barre built Mogadishu bigger and more prosperous than the colonials.
Mogadishu under the Supreme Revolutionary Council
1989
We all know who destroyed the city just look at Mogadishu a week after he fled.
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:27 pm
Your whole argument is bullshit. All lies. You misinterpret data and pass it off as factual. Darood accomplishments give you nightmares. Your clan hasn't accomplished what mines has in 2 decades in 3 decades you've been "independent". Enough said.
Great
So, which data set did I misrepresent? And how did I misrepresented it? Be specific.
Watch the boon try to evade
I'm not evading. Just not wasting my time debating with a laangaab who has no history. When Voltage karbaashed you and you posted the link. No need to rehash old victories on my side.
Boon this, boon that. Lol tell me one thing HJ has done for Somaliweyn besides being our concubines and artists? I don't debate with laangaabs with cuqdad and fake news. You got buried by our scholar. I'm not wasting my wifi for a "Solomadow"
We are still waiting for rebuttal from kacaanist faqash all the stats and data is real. Kacaan was nothing special a few farm projects a few suger factories. The economy was destroyed totally after 1977. And after the 1977 the beginning of the end. Yes the 1960 govt had some corruption but the nepotism favouritism. Onesmall qabiil had all the embassies ambassadors 90 percent and we all know afweyne wu ku tixi jiray fake soldiers stars. For the daarood it was the best years because ur using the state for qabil purposes and they got to arrogant they thought they would never be defeated they fell so bad on all sides.
Their fantasy stories are easy to destroy including the secessionists who their leaders including Egal (Prime Minister), Arteh (Foreign Minister), Silanyo (Minister of Planing), Tuur (various posts including Ambassador to Ethiopia), and so forth. All worked for the Barre regime and were very loyal to the nation. Some of them just became rebels because Barre had replaced them. But both Egal and Arteh stayed beside Barre until he fled to Nigeria even still they tried to get new posts with the new Government led by USC-rebels.
On top of that they still use the very infrastructure Barre built to this day. They have not added a single road in 30 years except those roads became destroyed.
They can't even maintain them.
Barre roads
Siad Barre inaugurating the new Hargeisa airport, the secessionist haven't added a single thing maybe the fence thanks to Kuwait.
Siad Barre assessing the Berbera port, the tall guy clapping for him is Dahir Riyale Kahin, another SL region leader. Once again another staff of Siad Barre. The secessionists don't tell the full truth.
If Barre hadn't built the port of Berbera by bringing in the Soviets, the secessionists would just have another Zeila, Maydh, Xiis in their hands. Very incapable. If they can do anything they would have long thanked Siad Barre for making Ethiopia landlocked (through the support of Eritrea and TPLF) and take advantage of the situation like Djibouti did. But they couldn't even bring two cranes to Berbera.
AwRastaale wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:52 pm
Their fantasy stories are easy to destroy including the secessionists who their leaders including Egal (Prime Minister), Arteh (Foreign Minister), Silanyo (Minister of Planing), Tuur (various posts including Ambassador to Ethiopia), and so forth. All worked for the Barre regime and were very loyal to the nation. Some of them just became rebels because Barre had replaced them. But both Egal and Arteh stayed beside Barre until he fled to Nigeria even still they tried to get new posts with the new Government led by USC-rebels.
On top of that they still use the very infrastructure Barre built to this day. They have not added a single road in 30 years except those roads became destroyed.
They can't even maintain them.
Barre roads
Siad Barre inaugurating the new Hargeisa airport, the secessionist haven't added a single thing maybe the fence thanks to Kuwait.
Siad Barre assessing the Berbera port, the tall guy clapping for him is Dahir Riyale Kahin, another SL region leader. Once again another staff of Siad Barre. The secessionists don't tell the full truth.
If Barre hadn't built the port of Berbera by bringing in the Soviets, the secessionists would just have another Zeila, Maydh, Xiis in their hands. Very incapable. If they can do anything they would have long thanked Siad Barre for making Ethiopia landlocked (through the support of Eritrea and TPLF) and take advantage of the situation like Djibouti did. But they couldn't even bring two cranes to Berbera.
Siad Barre wasn't perfect. But to say he didn't do anything for Somaliweyn is a bull face LIE. He built Hawiye and Isaaq lands while neglecting Darood lands minus Bossaso to have trade in K5.
Awraastale,
When will Habar Yoonis take it's place as the leader of Isaaq? Only they can bring the secessionists down and unite the Somali peninsula. You are the Kings and leaders of Sh. Ishaaq
Ben Dover wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:27 am
Faqash keep repeating this lie that the Kacaan was some great period for the Somali Republic, the hope here is that if they repeat this lie enough times it would stick. The reality is that the Afweyne Kacaan was a failure in every assessment metric imaginable. No objective assessment of the Kacaan would ever come to the conclusion that it was "great" or successful.
In reality, doofaar ismaacil probably lived better than they could ever imagine, imagine being a worthless nomad in a shithole like Gedo and your entire family is uprooted and housed in the capital Mogadishu. They were all raised on xaaraan money looted from the state, so to them, the Kacaan was great. But everywhere else in the country the image painted by official statistics paint a bleak and miserable existence.
The Somali Republic was a beggar state, completely reliant on foreign aid, be it financial, humanitarian or military. Imagine being proud of being an aid recipient!
Now just to quantify Afweyne's ineptitude and failure, understand this, the Somali Republic was the largest per head recipient of aid in all of Africa!
Now, how did all of this aid materials on the ground:
Reality check. The World Bank:
Note: The Somali Republic under Afweyne Barre was one of the least developed countries on planet earth. With market exchange rate per capita GDP of $170 (!!!!), and life expectancy figures of 46 years. Yet shameless Boli Qaran orphans are trying to paint a picture of development and super-power-like resources capable of moving people en masse across the country.
Note: No economic achievements of the kacaan. Between 1970 (one year after Afweyne's coup) and 1980, there was no real growth in per capita income.
Note: Government's development expenditure are entirely financed by external assistance (i.e. donors/aid etc). These kacaan apologists have absolutely no shame in trying to revise history to portray their uncles mismanagement of the Somali Republic as some kind of golden age for Somalis. It was probably a golden age of Boli Qaran, raising your children on xaaraan money, their families who until recently were destitute nomads, the poorest among Somalis, were given access to a lifestyle they could not dream of. So to them, it was a great time.
The picture becomes very clear if we look at GDPs of regional economies at the time we see in comparison to the Somali Republic:
"But but but.. I can show you YouTube videos of Xamar and it looked lit"
You are the dishonest children of the same people who caused the collapse of the Somali state. The colossal mismanagement of the state and the unimaginable level of corruption that your penniless families directly benefited from can never be erased. The Somali Republic was by any objective measure a horrible place to live, unless you had connections and lived in Xamar.
Afweyne Barre was a fool of epic proportions, the idiot squandered such an incredible opportunity, with the whole world willing to help, pumping hundreds of millions USD into the country, and with a cohesive, nationalistic population ready to serve their country. His sheer ineptitude and inability to take advantage of such opportune timing and availability of international goodwill is one for the history books.
it's funny to see the boons flee like rats when ever their blatant lies are busted.
Ben Dover wrote: Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:00 pm
I will tell you when you stop evading and actually discuss the poor performance of your beloved kacaan.
The statistics and numbers paint a horrible picture.
If you are going to call it fake, then be specific, what exactly is fake and what proof do you have that it is fake. Really simple.
If you are saying I am lying, then go ahead and show us the real numbers.
(Good luck )
The government under the rule of Siad Barre made Somalia one of the strongest military powers in all of Africa and also one of the more influential African countries at the time. Obviously your bias stems from your allegiances to some rebel groups who were dealt with in a swift and just manner.
The statistics you brought are nonsensical because they grossly misrepresent and leave out the largely unconventional Somali economy at the time.
"Somalia was primarily an exporter of livestock to the Arab states. The macroeconomic data did not make clear the proportions in which the foreign exchange earnings from livestock exports went to the government, based on the official exchange rate of those recorded sales, and to the traders and herders themselves, based on the difference between the official and informal exchange rates plus all revenues from unofficially recorded sales. A system known as franco valuta enabled livestock middlemen to hoard a considerable foreign exchange surplus. In the livestock export sector, traders had to give the government only 40 percent of their foreign exchange earnings; the traders could import anything they wished with the remaining foreign exchange. Thus, imports were substantial amid data of collapse. One needed only to be connected to a trading family to enjoy massive increases in consumption during the 1980s. In the livestock export system, franco valuta was officially discontinued as a result of the IMF structural adjustment program, but in practice franco valuta continued to be observed.
Rural Subsistence Sector
Somalia's rural subsistence sector produced sufficient grain and animal products (mostly milk) to sustain the country's growing population, including its massive refugee population. According to economist Vali Jamal, data on the subsistence sector underestimated the amount of milk and grain produced. The official 1978 estimate of milk production was 451.4 million liters; by using alternate data (for example, statistics on lactating animals from an anthropology study, consumption surveys, and interviews with nomads), Jamal estimated 2.92 billion liters of production, 6.5 times the official estimate. Taking into account only this change in milk production would raise GDP by 68 percent, making Somalia the forty-first rather than the eighth poorest country in the world, with an average annual per capita income of US$406.
Jamal's data showed a 58 percent increase in grain production between 1972-74 and 1984. Production of sorghum and corn reached a high of an estimated 260,000 tons and 382,000 tons respectively in 1985, before declining in the period 1987-89. Grain imports increased sixfold, however, between the early 1970s and 1985; the increase was largely caused by the refugee influx and the added imports needed to fill the food gap. After 1980 food production increased but imports continued, primarily as a result of food aid. Governments did not cut off food aid although the need for it steadily receded. Despite donor objectives, most of the imports went to urban shops rather than rural refugee camps.
Often missed by macroeconomic analyses was the vibrant agropastoralist sector of the southern interriverine area. Families mixed pastoralism--the raising of goats and sheep, and sometimes camels--with grain production. The family unit was highly versatile, and the division of labor within it changed depending on the season and the amount of rainfall. During a drought when women were obliged to trek for days in search of water, men tended the household and crops. When water was abundant, women maintained the household, and enabling the men to concentrate on the livestock.
Trade between the pastoralist and agropastoralist sectors has been greater than standard models of the Somali GNP have assumed. Agropastoralists accumulated small grain surpluses in the 1980s, and bartered this grain to pastoralists in exchange for milk. The agropastoralists received more value from this trade than by selling their grain directly to the government because government prices for grain were lower than the growers' costs. IMF agreements with the government repealed price limits on the sale of grain; the consequences of this agreement for trade between pastoralists and agropastoralists had not been reported as of early 1992.
One of the great agricultural success stories of privatization caused great embarrassment to the IMF. Qat (also spelled "kat," catha edulis) is a mild stimulant narcotic; many Somalis chew the qat leaf during leisure time. Qat is grown in the Ethiopian highlands and in Kenya and is transported through Somalia. In the late 1960s, farmers near Hargeysa began growing it. During the drought of the 1970s, the qat plants survived and their cultivators made handsome profits. Investment in qat plants soared in the 1980s. Sales of qat enabled farmers to stay ahead of inflation during a time when prices for other crops fell. Many farmers used their profits to rent tractors and to hire day laborers; doing so enabled them to increase food production while continuing to grow qat. The large surplus income going to qat farmers created a free market in land, despite national laws prohibiting land sales. The IMF never mentioned this economic success as part of the positive results of its program. The government wrongly believed that the production of qat was cutting into grain production; the data of political scientist Abdi Ismail Samatar indicates that farmers producing qat grew more grain than those who did not produce qat. The government also believed that qat was harmful because it was making the general population drug-dependent. The Siad Barre regime hence banned qat production, and in 1984 qat fields were destroyed by government teams. Nevertheless, the qat story of the 1980s demonstrated the vibrancy of the Somali economy outside the regulatory regimes of the government and the IMF." (US Library of Congress)
Somalia was definitely a great place under the kacaan government one of the best countries in all of Africa. Somalia was going towards self-sufficiency and many projects to bring about our natural resources were being developed.
Under Barre 1/3 of the budget went to free education and healthcare.
devoting one-third of the national budget to the provision of free healthcare and education.
Today healthcare is non-existent and most Somalis in the north pay hard currency to the Habesha and Galla in Ethiopia while Hargeisa's General Hospital remains almost unusable and the special need are tied down to trees.
The facility itself is in a dire situation.
In the education front, once again hard currency flows out of the region into Habesha, Galla and Kikuyu hands under the branching of low quality education institutions from the neighbours such as Admas, Hope, Lucy, etc.
They have not added or built a single University in 30 years other than individuals converting once high school (Amoud, Hargeisa) into makeshift universities. It is worth a knowledging Amoud as one who triumphant and somewhat a success story but still it lacks all the basics and capacity of a proper university.
Not sure why they so angry.
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AwRastaale wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:22 am
Under Barre 1/3 of the budget went to free education and healthcare.
devoting one-third of the national budget to the provision of free healthcare and education.
Today healthcare is non-existent and most Somalis in the north pay hard currency to the Habesha and Galla in Ethiopia while Hargeisa's General Hospital remains almost unusable and the special need are tied down to trees.
In the education front, once again hard currency flows out of the region into Habesha, Galla and Kikuyu hands under the branching of low quality education institutions from the neighbours such as Admas, Hope, Lucy, etc.
They have not added or built a single University in 30 years other than individuals converting once high school (Amoud, Hargeisa) into makeshift universities with worth mentioning Amoud as one who triumphant.
Not sure why they so angry.
And Bendover thinks he's my equal? The same laangaab whose male ancestors were married to another man in GarAdag. First case of homosexuality in Somalia. Yaab.
And he wonders why I don't entertain him. Voltage had alot of sabir for the laangaab Habar Gusjeclo.
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Let's not be childish and fall for their games, you cussing them, name calling them is what they want in order to reinforce their mantra; it's us vs "them".
I'm not sxb. I'm not respecting them because they don't respect nor have edeb for fellow Somalis from Konfuur. They are hate filled and low grade laangaabs. You don't debate with them. You karbaash them and show them their place. Siad Barre was merciless towards the Jeegaanta. If I ever get the chance. I will politically and martially broke them for good. Worse than my dear Adeer did. They are a national security risk. They are traitors who will sell us out to shisheeye in the first opportunity. That's why I'm ruthless to Jeegaanta.
The marriage in gar adag took place between 2 darood homosexuals afxakame andsalax afxakame was naleeye xmed and salax was Yaxye. They asked for gadhweyn first to settle the marriage issue gadhweyn told them to fuck off. They asked kittefiqiye to intervene and gartu Gallo. And he recited the poem where are the muse abokors so they were your jabarti cousins sadam not us.
it's funny to see the boons flee like rats when ever their blatant lies are busted.
