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Talo alle udaa wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:08 am If there is a fair election in 9 months the corrupt Illay party will loose.

No sane Somali supports what Cagjar is doing. There has been a shift in his foreign policy after his political fight with Shide. Every attempt to move towards the Amhara by his admin in the name of political survival will be political suicide for him as his main draw was being seen as a “Somali” Nationalist.

The amharas there are living in borrowed time. The last time there was a brief lawlessness, two churches were burned down.

Typical naive Somaliwaynist!

1.Oromo and Abiye blocked the cleansing of the iley' s party .They actually did it halfway in a manner that suits them .

2.Oromo began to fully rally behind Ina ileys man ,ina shide,and they won't let him go.they locked up ina iley but promoted and strengthened the position of his partner in crime .That's why tigre decided to defy the Oromo admin in his quest to arrest tigre criminals.They know very well Galla are not for real change but only want excute a revenge on their 'enemies'

3.Galla are thick headed race .It is the iidoor secessionists who convinced them to forge an alliance against the Absame .Hence,the illegitimate Dir meeting mainly sponsored by secessionists outsiders my northern Somalia.They want Dir-Absame struggle to destabilize the whole region for their own sinister agenda .



Galla elities are doing every thing possible to undermine you.They foolish Galla are still using Abd iley bogeyman to accuse Liyu yet they want leave Abdi's friends in power untouched and they are also bolstering the numbers and strength of their Liyu .How should we have to deal with that ? As a sane Somali ,what is your take on this issue ?

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BestPlaya wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:22 pm

Khalid Ali wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:22 pm Ina cagjar is pro onlf which was an Eritrean .proxy for nearly what 26 years . I think it's like chezz he knows he can't bypass amhara because of amhara oromo dispute in Addis Ababa or finfine how the Oromo call it .
Ina cagjar is much smarter than ileey who was getechews personal bitch.. jawar maxammad is the most extremist Oromo nationalist he is the one who led the qeylo Shawn qeero shoow.. it's very difficult for ina cagjar to go from an ultra right-wing oromo natiionallist than to go to the Abyssinian amxaray ginbot gurage amxara coaliton. Let the ogaden reer Isaaq explain this latest move .

Cagjar knows how to play his cards right but the sad fact is that Somali state is considered a colony by the rest of Ethiopians and every regime will always work to undermine and weaken the Somali in order to milk prized Ogaden oil .So,he's engulfed by a sea of hurdles that will obviously distract him to deliver any meaningful change in the region


Oromo started to sow discord and friction between OG and DIR and thanks to the willing iidoor secessionists who convincing the Galla to divide the Somali along tribal lines .Rumours had it Secessionist enclave of Northern Somalia paid 150K USD to the illegitimate Dir conspiracy meeting in Addis .


Do you thing Cagjar wasnt aware the whole issue ? Oromo is trying to undermine Ogaden with the help of iidoors but they gonna fail big time because Ogaden are united more than ever .And yes,the enemy of your enemy is your natural ally .That's explains Ina Cagjar donations .The same will be done for Ree Qolaaji soon .Inshlh


@Waachis

Your people suck in politics .They should have made the Somali their allies in order for them to effectively contain the Habesha but all isn't going well for your thick headed political elites .Ganging up with the secessionist outsiders against OG will massively backfire for the Gallas

It’s funny you use Oromo as the ones undermining anyone. One political party that was set up by TPLF does not represent our nation. Your problem is with ODP. The same people who have been enslaved by the TPLF and controlled for the past 27 years. Of course they don’t know how to rule, they’ve been enslaved for too long. Your not dealing with the real politicians, these are people hand picked by others.

theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:36 am Loool Bestplaya is worried about iidoor/Dir conspiracy theories than any thing else. Walaahi isaaq superiority over Ogs is real.

Our goal is very clear , we are protecting our business turf with the Oromos through our Oromo speaking Dir , and that does not mean we are against the somali state government. Oromos are our business partners, we don't care the amhara or tigrays.

Business should not be interrupted in the absence of strong government, that's why we are promoting peace and love between communities. you don't want peace to prevail on the borders because you know nothing about trade and politics. All you care about is an Og in the office. Well , we don't mind your OG the office as Long as he is not threat to our Access to the market. I am not building Ports and roads for no reason , I want my share of the pie without any complications.

But in case he does (block my way ) like iley used to do before , there must be an alternative way , and That's why we are building strong relationship between Dir , Oromos and others. PEOPLE make POWER !

Your business will obviously fail big time if you mess up with Absame .That's the case .


We will block iidoor ambitions as they have declared an open war on us .No matter who's in Addis ,we will dominate the region and our adversaries will eat less .


As for the Dir conspiracy meeting, it has no any meaningful impact on us because it is players are lightweight langaab clans and sections of Afran Qaalo (Jarso,Akichu) .All the said clans are NOT power brokers in the region .


OG ,Ciise and Jidwaaq are the three most important clans in the regions and they all defy Galla's divisive policies to incite the Somali against each other.Qolodiinan iidoor iyo Galla-duba, sadexdaa qolo agtooda waxaa ka tihiin tuke cambaar leh ..Gaadsan ,shiikhaal iyo Jaarso car dee wax hakuu qabtaan iidooroow

I don't feel superior to anyone and there's no SANE Somali who believes that he's my superior unless deluled or what ..Anoo Daarood ah ,Ogaden ,Ree Subeer ah ,Ree Isaaq ah miyaan iidoor ka baqdaa mise u waabsanaan karaa ? Waa waxaan suurta gal ahayn... Siyaasad xumadaa ciyaarsaysaan waa in lasheegaa iyo sida ay maaganyihiin Jeeganta qadhmuun .Just that .

BestPlaya wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:47 am

theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:36 am Loool Bestplaya is worried about iidoor/Dir conspiracy theories than any thing else. Walaahi isaaq superiority over Ogs is real.

Our goal is very clear , we are protecting our business turf with the Oromos through our Oromo speaking Dir , and that does not mean we are against the somali state government. Oromos are our business partners, we don't care the amhara or tigrays.

Business should not be interrupted in the absence of strong government, that's why we are promoting peace and love between communities. you don't want peace to prevail on the borders because you know nothing about trade and politics. All you care about is an Og in the office. Well , we don't mind your OG the office as Long as he is not threat to our Access to the market. I am not building Ports and roads for no reason , I want my share of the pie without any complications.

But in case he does (block my way ) like iley used to do before , there must be an alternative way , and That's why we are building strong relationship between Dir , Oromos and others. PEOPLE make POWER !

Your business will obviously fail big time if you mess up with Absame .That's the case .


We will block iidoor ambitions as they have declared an open war on us .No matter who's in Addis ,we will dominate the region and our adversaries will eat less .


As for the Dir conspiracy meeting, it has no any meaningful impact on us because it is players are lightweight langaab clans and sections of Afran Qaalo (Jarso,Akichu) .All the said clans are NOT power brokers in the region .


OG ,Ciise and Jidwaaq are the three most important clans in the regions and they all defy Galla's divisive policies to incite the Somali against each other.Qolodiinan iidoor iyo Galla-duba, sadexdaa qolo agtooda waxaa ka tihiin tuke cambaar leh ..Gaadsan ,shiikhaal iyo Jaarso car dee wax hakuu qabtaan iidooroow

I don't feel superior to anyone and there's no SANE Somali who believes that he's my superior unless deluled or what ..Anoo Daarood ah ,Ogaden ,Ree Subeer ah ,Ree Isaaq ah miyaan iidoor ka baqdaa mise u waabsanaan karaa ? Waa waxaan suurta gal ahayn... Siyaasad xumadaa ciyaarsaysaan waa in lasheegaa iyo sida ay maaganyihiin Jeeganta qadhmuun .Just that .

The fact you want me to fail , is the reason I don't trust you . In fact I trust no body , but I am open for negotiations and renegotiations , if you don't fk with my business empire I won't fk with your little absame kingdom. Deal or no deal ?

Wallahi best playa thinks too highly of Ogaden. Your just one of the many tribes on K5 you’ve just sucked xabashi ceeb to subjugate your fellow somalis so long you actually think the power is in your hands.

You keep talking about jidwaaq this and jidwaaq that. There is a reason I moved the capital to jigjiga. Faafan is a overwhelming majority of irir samaale. There is change coming to Ethiopia. Everyone will rule his land and seats will be shared equitably. The new alliance we have with our Dir brothers means we control the majority in ddsi. Our alliance with the oromo means we are partnered with the strongest player in Ethiopia and we have mutual enemy’s with Eritrea xabashi and IOG. Dir omomo and Eritrea and somaliland will stamp on any nonsense coming from anyone else. We have billion dollar projects coming up. They have found oil in faafan aswell and guess what it’s on sacad muse land. As a habar awal I control the important and populated regions of awbarre with wajaale and qabribayax with harta sheikh. These will be both turned into degmo. I also have xarshin. The rest is Dir and hawiye land. Our jidwaaq residents are a minority in a pool of us and they will always submit.

Ogaden are going to be pushed into their 2 gobols in the middle of ddsi that has no strategic location. You’re going into irrelevancy.

Salaxbaashe wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:28 am Wallahi best playa thinks too highly of Ogaden. Your just one of the many tribes on K5 you’ve just sucked xabashi ceeb to subjugate your fellow somalis so long you actually think the power is in your hands.

You keep talking about jidwaaq this and jidwaaq that. There is a reason I moved the capital to jigjiga. Faafan is a overwhelming majority of irir samaale. There is change coming to Ethiopia. Everyone will rule his land and seats will be shared equitably. The new alliance we have with our Dir brothers means we control the majority in ddsi. Our alliance with the oromo means we are partnered with the strongest player in Ethiopia and we have mutual enemy’s with Eritrea xabashi and IOG. Dir omomo and Eritrea and somaliland will stamp on any nonsense coming from anyone else. We have billion dollar projects coming up. They have found oil in faafan aswell and guess what it’s on sacad muse land. As a habar awal I control the important and populated regions of awbarre with wajaale and qabribayax with harta sheikh. These will be both turned into degmo. I also have xarshin. The rest is Dir and hawiye land. Our jidwaaq residents are a minority in a pool of us and they will always submit.

Ogaden are going to be pushed into their 2 gobols in the middle of ddsi that has no strategic location. You’re going into irrelevancy.

This the Ogs can't fk with us. But we won't screw them too deep if they behave well. Faafan is the most important region and we have More influence in this area than Ogs.

Khalid Ali wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:12 pm Waachis it's just politics the 1977 is over we won the war but lost eventually through diplomacy . Due to the our shortcomings we dissentigrated in terms of our .cohesion . Oromo reserve their term in Ethiopia but oromo needs to calm down going on a killing spray is very bad for Oromo political image. Ina cagjar his policies are pure based protecting disputed shared land and border with lemme meqershe kilil 4. Amharas are not as bad as people think with out amharas calmness and sabr for nearly what 1974 when HIM was overthrown by dergi mengisth imagine being out of power since 1974. But have dominated from yekuno amlaq to xayle sellasie
That's over 600 years.

Oromo can't move with out amara you need to admit this. You have to see it like this we Somalis cannot get along politically we have been in a stalemate for nearly 30 years.

your problem is you are stuck in the old ethiopian politics. those days are long gone, my friend, never to return. things have changed, completely, and the power dynamics/balance is shifting, whether you like it or not, or agree with it, or not. this is not the old ethiopia, this is the new 2019 ethiopia-so get with the program and realize things will never be what they were.
amhara dominance will never happen again, unless it's on the ashes of ethiopia, then they can dominate each other, and not others, i.e. non amhara.
i know you would love to have them rule over you, but others don't feel the same way.
we never needed amharas nor do we need them now. we have a larger richer land than them for a reason.
we have a history of self sufficiency in war, we never begged the white man or the arabs or russians, for military help, like they did.

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Wallahi best playa thinks too highly of Ogaden. Your just one of the many tribes on K5 you’ve just sucked xabashi ceeb to subjugate your fellow somalis so long you actually think the power is in your hands.

You keep talking about jidwaaq this and jidwaaq that. There is a reason I moved the capital to jigjiga. Faafan is a overwhelming majority of irir samaale. There is change coming to Ethiopia. Everyone will rule his land and seats will be shared equitably. The new alliance we have with our Dir brothers means we control the majority in ddsi. Our alliance with the oromo means we are partnered with the strongest player in Ethiopia and we have mutual enemy’s with Eritrea xabashi and IOG. Dir omomo and Eritrea and somaliland will stamp on any nonsense coming from anyone else. We have billion dollar projects coming up. They have found oil in faafan aswell and guess what it’s on sacad muse land. As a habar awal I control the important and populated regions of awbarre with wajaale and qabribayax with harta sheikh. These will be both turned into degmo. I also have xarshin. The rest is Dir and hawiye land. Our jidwaaq residents are a minority in a pool of us and they will always submit.

Ogaden are going to be pushed into their 2 gobols in the middle of ddsi that has no strategic location. You’re going into irrelevancy.

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Awbarre belongs to Gadabuursi not Caasho Awal.Jijiga is Jidwaaq stronghold ,Bartire and Yabarre territory .Currently we are second largest in Jigjiga after Jidwaaq .Magaalada taladeedana nimaan ahayn Jidwaaq ama Absame ahayn waxba laga waydiin maayo .Faafanta laguu sheegina waa Jigjiga.

Caasho Awal has two districts that's Wajaale and Xaarshin .



Faafan waxaa ugu tun wayn Bartire +Yabaree+Abasguul .waxaa soo raaca Dir then iidoor .



Ogaden form the majority of the entire region and Jidwaaq are far more influential than iidoors in DDS

Words aren’t going to change the souls on the ground. Habar awal is along with gadabursi jidwaaq akisho jarso and karanle are reer faafan. Ogaden is from 2 dry sparcley populated gobols in the middle of ddsi along no trade routes.

At the end of the day I have wajaale I have harta sheekh I have xarshin I have the port and the entire road going to berbera. I have more leverage than you. Ahmed shide is my representative. Cry me a river.

theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:36 am

Salaxbaashe wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:28 am Wallahi best playa thinks too highly of Ogaden. Your just one of the many tribes on K5 you’ve just sucked xabashi ceeb to subjugate your fellow somalis so long you actually think the power is in your hands.

You keep talking about jidwaaq this and jidwaaq that. There is a reason I moved the capital to jigjiga. Faafan is a overwhelming majority of irir samaale. There is change coming to Ethiopia. Everyone will rule his land and seats will be shared equitably. The new alliance we have with our Dir brothers means we control the majority in ddsi. Our alliance with the oromo means we are partnered with the strongest player in Ethiopia and we have mutual enemy’s with Eritrea xabashi and IOG. Dir omomo and Eritrea and somaliland will stamp on any nonsense coming from anyone else. We have billion dollar projects coming up. They have found oil in faafan aswell and guess what it’s on sacad muse land. As a habar awal I control the important and populated regions of awbarre with wajaale and qabribayax with harta sheikh. These will be both turned into degmo. I also have xarshin. The rest is Dir and hawiye land. Our jidwaaq residents are a minority in a pool of us and they will always submit.

Ogaden are going to be pushed into their 2 gobols in the middle of ddsi that has no strategic location. You’re going into irrelevancy.

This the Ogs can't fk with us. But we won't screw them too deep if they behave well. Faafan is the most important region and we have More influence in this area than Ogs.

Deluded iidoor ,Faafan is synonymous to Jijiga and Jigjiga is the Hargeisa of Absame .Og has more influence than iidoor in Jigjiga the same way a non-native habarxaabush has more say in hargaysa than Ogaden .


Iidoor

Habarxaabusho
Hbarmagaado



Absame

Ogaden
Jidwaaq
Baalcad
Weeyteen
Galimays .



Hadaa adigoo east burco iyo Yiroowe porcupine Ku cuna aaad iga leedahay Hargaysada aan kaaga dhawahay ,sidaa si la mida , anoo dhagaxbur ka imi ayaa iiidor kaleh magaalada Jijiga .in short ,hadaa iidoor tahay ,Absame ayn ahay .Adaa ariiroow Samaale tahayna waxaan ahay Daarood Ismaaciil

Salaxbaashe wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2019 11:35 am Words aren’t going to change the souls on the ground. Habar awal is along with gadabursi jidwaaq akisho jarso and karanle are reer faafan. Ogaden is from 2 dry sparcley populated gobols in the middle of ddsi along no trade routes.

At the end of the day I have wajaale I have harta sheekh I have xarshin I have the port and the entire road going to berbera. I have more leverage than you. Ahmed shide is my representative. Cry me a river.

Ogaden live in Galaashe district of Faafan .

Your pathetic lies won't change the reality on ground .

Jidwaaq has Qabribayax ,Harorays ,Mulla and giant Jijiga .

Ogaden live in big numbers Jijiga and own Galaashe (Goljano)


Gerikoombe hae Tulliguleed

Iidoor have Xaarshin and Wajaale

Gadabursi have Harawo and Cawbarre


In short Faafan is Absame stronghold with Strong presence of Dir and Iidoor .


Ogaden form the majority of 7 regions .Miskiin khayaali iyo ictiraaf aan jirin Ku dawakhay ayaa tahay .bal kaalay adigu labo gobol oo sidaa sheegtay saxaro ah Habaarkaaga igu sii .


Cabaad xumida aapahaagii sida bilcaanta uunsanayey ka wass .Qudhun iidoor ah

Anigu hargeisa waan usoo shaqo tagaa ee kumaaan habsan, adigu Laakiin jidwaaqi baad qiirqiir gelisay. Cida jigjiga kugu kacsan anaka maaha ee waa jidwaaq . Gobolka faafan Laakiin xaga sokena anaka iyo Gadabuursi baa leh , xaga shishena , karinle. Dhexdana Akishe iyo jaarzo oo oromaduna noo dheertahay weliba. O baad noogu jirtaan niyaw . Mana xaari kartid mana dhuusi kartid hadaan jiq kaaga dhigo.

Ethiopia: Prospects for Peace in Ogaden Crisis Group Africa Report N°207, 6 August 2013 Page 2II.Ogaden: Ethiopia’s Most Contested Territory The Ogaden is the historical name for much of the current SNRS. Created in 1994,3 it has an official population of 4.5 million,4 predominantly ethnic Somalis, Ethiopia’s third largest nationality (around 6.2 per cent), and “roughly one-third of the widely dispersed Somali nation in the Horn”.5 Kinship ties, expressed through patrilineal clans, still define Somali social and political organisation. The Ogaadeni are a major clan of the Darod and about half the SNRS population; other relevant groups include the Issa, Garre, Jidwak, Isaaq, Bantu and Sheikhal, none of which is numerically dominant over the other. Clan composition varies in the nine SNRS zones (woredas) and theirsub-districts.6The present conflict’s roots are in the Ethiopian empire’s expansion during the second half of the nineteenth century. The traditional Ethiopian state saw the Oga-den – and much of its other lowland peripheries – as a buffer against European im-perialism and a resource, originally for livestock. In the twentieth century, it came to view it additionally as “empty land” for large agricultural schemes and mineral extrac-tion. Most highlanders also viewed the region as a wilderness, lacking civilisation and populated by enemies of their Christian religion; over time this cultural divide became embedded in structural inequalities.7For much of the first half of the twentieth century, the state was manifested through isolated military installations from where imperial soldiers exacted tax levies on live-stock and undertook punitive expeditions against the local population.8 In 1936, Italy 3The 1994 constitution, Article 47, designates SNRS as Ethiopia’s fifth regional state; officials nor-mally refer to it as kilil 5 (region in Amharic), but many inhabitants commonly call it Ogaden. In this report, Ogaden and SNRS are used interchangeably for the state; Ogadeni refers to the region and its inhabitants, Ogaadeni to members of the dominant clan. 4“The 2007 Population and Housing Census of Ethiopia: National Statistical Summary Report”, Office of Population Census Commission Central Statistical Agency, July 2010, p. 1. Other estimates claim a population of seven million or more. 5John Markakis, Ethiopia: The Last Two Frontiers (Oxford, 2011), p. 55. This report draws extensively on Markakis’s text since it is the most comprehensive study on relations between the centre and its periphery, the result of many years of field research since the 1970s, including work directly with the federal affairs ministry from 2005-2008. 6SNRS is divided into nine zones (some recently renamed, but most maps use the old names): Liiban, Afdheer, Shinile (now Sitti), Jijiga (Faarfan), Degehabur (Jerer), Wardheer (Dolo), Korahe, Fik (Nogob), Gode (Shabelle). Liiban is a mixed district divided among Garre, Dagodia, Gurre, Gabre, Hawadle, Beyaisle (all Hawiye-related clans) and Rer-Hasan, a Darod-Marehan sub-sub-clan. In Afdheer, a significant majority is Ogaadeni, but other clans include Gherire and Gurre. Sitti has mainly Issa and Gurgurra. Faarfan has mostly Jidwak-Absame (close to Ogaadenis) but also Obo, Isaaq, Gadabursi and Ogaadeni (each controlling a district). The majority in Jerer’s nine districts is Ogaadeni, except one largely Isaaq district. In Dolo,the majority is Ogaadeni, with some Majerteen districts. Korahe and Nogob are largely Ogaadeni, as is Shabelle, with the exceptions of Kalafo and West Imey districts, the latter with a sizeable Bantu presence, and Mustaiil and Fer Fer, inhabited by Sheikhal. This summary of clan presence is only a rough approximation to underline the diversity of clans in SNRS. See also Appendix C. 7Tobias Hagmann and Benedikt Korf, “Agamben in the Ogaden: Violence and Sovereignty in the Ethiopian-Somali Frontier”, Political Geography, vol. 31, no. 4 (2012), p. 2, 4; Markakis, op. cit., p. 15; Tibete Eshete, “The Root Causes of Political Problems in the Ogaden, 1942-1960”, Northeast A

Qabribatax ana iska leh I’m the majority of that degmo when it comes to 1 man 1 vote. And don’t forget I’m habar awal my people will pour in from gebiley jidwaaq is a small clan .

The days of onlf and Abdi iley is done. Garxajis are going to get their own gobol and faafan is coming directly under the federal government. Faafan is a non Ogaden zone it’s civilized people. We will deal with our federal government I will control the trade as I always have. Ana idoor