Yes u are right sxb but first we need to unite under one ugaas which is my reer abti xaaji saalax abtisame. Then we need to think strategically for instance, part of xaaji saalax are of isaaq descent and live in toogdheer. The hadamo are doqondiid around 50%. We need to use these relationships like this to our advantage. Then tear up this whole jubaland project when there is a hawiye president
they say gaaljecel is about culture rather than qabiil example sh yacoub al Shabaab kismaayo waali they call him gaaljecel because hes a hadaamo the rahanwayn who have camel therefore they must be gaaljecel! Another example is ode cadde who are backed by garre in lower shabelle against caafi both are gaaljecel and they fight some say odey cadde are the garre who own camel therefore gaaljecel in eelaay those who like camel! Every clan is about federation so any camel owners south of hiiraan are basically gaaljecel.
Forget about hawiye and USC today Somalia is federalism. You need be like shekhaal who change their shirts they used to be with Moorgan after walalaalaha galgaduud attack of jilib and then joined madoobe via reerow Hassan and Farah cabdulkadir before the heshiis with mx.
Naa sxb there is abtirsi. hadamo everyone knows a big portion is of gaaljecel and other reer hiiraan origin including xawadle.these hadamo wareey ku lee yihin when u ask them who are u hadamo. If u ask them yaa ka sii tahay they will say “galjel”in af maay accent kkkk. When the nomads are moving there will be some who become detached from the clan and settle elsewhere. Also, when clans live in close proximity there will be some mixing. For instance there is some abtisamo who are originally xawadle and some Cali madaxweyn who are originally gaaljecel it is macruf sxb.and sheekhal wee is yeelayaan but they are not a small qabiil. Reer ow Xasan are not shiiqaal truly I believe.
Just a question why do you claim everyone is galjecel even Xawadle?
I do beleive Galjecel are a mixture and majority were from Ajuraan.Because that explains why they are scattered and they lived where the Ajuran empire ruled from.
You will see also alot of Galjecel in NFD epecialy Garissa.
sahal80 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 9:38 am
they say gaaljecel is about culture rather than qabiil example sh yacoub al Shabaab kismaayo waali they call him gaaljecel because hes a hadaamo the rahanwayn who have camel therefore they must be gaaljecel! Another example is ode cadde who are backed by garre in lower shabelle against caafi both are gaaljecel and they fight some say odey cadde are the garre who own camel therefore gaaljecel in eelaay those who like camel! Every clan is about federation so any camel owners south of hiiraan are basically gaaljecel.
Forget about hawiye and USC today Somalia is federalism. You need be like shekhaal who change their shirts they used to be with Moorgan after walalaalaha galgaduud attack of jilib and then joined madoobe via reerow Hassan and Farah cabdulkadir before the heshiis with mx.
Naa sxb there is abtirsi. hadamo everyone knows a big portion is of gaaljecel and other reer hiiraan origin including xawadle.these hadamo wareey ku lee yihin when u ask them who are u hadamo. If u ask them yaa ka sii tahay they will say “galjel”in af maay accent kkkk. When the nomads are moving there will be some who become detached from the clan and settle elsewhere. Also, when clans live in close proximity there will be some mixing. For instance there is some abtisamo who are originally xawadle and some Cali madaxweyn who are originally gaaljecel it is macruf sxb.and sheekhal wee is yeelayaan but they are not a small qabiil. Reer ow Xasan are not shiiqaal truly I believe.
Just a question why do you claim everyone is galjecel even Xawadle?
I do beleive Galjecel are a mixture and majority were from Ajuraan.Because that explains why they are scattered and they lived where the Ajuran empire ruled from.
You will see also alot of Galjecel in NFD epecialy Garissa.
Sxb I believe every clan is a mixture to an extent. And ajuuraan are assimilated in every clan in the south and Galbeed,nfd etc. There is abtirsi for every clan. I wasn’t claiming them I was just stated u will find some of us in them and some of them in us as a result of being neighbours. Similar to how I’m sure u have some isaaqs etc in u and vice versa
No one is saying they Are not native sxb but they are a minority in all these regions. Mursade are native to xamar that does not make them the majority. As for kismayo it is known ninka baadiyaha degan has a right to the city. There will come a day when we leave baadiyaha and are no longer nomads. The hundreds of thousands of reer baadiyaha will settle in kismayo.
when USC reached north of kismaayo like yuuntooy buulo xaaji gees gaduud about 30km north of kismaayo they took with them all these nomads who fought harti settlers in there there are dir as well around jamaame. The city is darod and they keep pouring in every day since madoobe huge reer isaaq from ethiopia have settled it bc they have the NGOs one of them heads an ex reer isaaq safiir to Sweden or Switzerland hes Christian. What you can do is to ally yourself with one darod group either mx or OG. What you need is a depth wich is not there. Mx have gedo OG have Kenya and the adjacent country side. Biimaal are big in marka but HG have depth in Xamar. Look every time mx army coming from gedo it's not about numbers it's about having a depth.
Yes u are right sxb but first we need to unite under one ugaas which is my reer abti xaaji saalax abtisame. Then we need to think strategically for instance, part of xaaji saalax are of isaaq descent and live in toogdheer. The hadamo are doqondiid around 50%. We need to use these relationships like this to our advantage. Then tear up this whole jubaland project when there is a hawiye president
Saxib dont poison Galjecel in kismaayo.You will not fight their battles too you are miles away in wanlaweyn.
Juboyinka sheeko hawiye doesnt exist.Its not mudug.
Even if a Hawiye led army was to capture Kismaayo you will never get even one Kursi forget about being the president of JL.If you want to use Galjecel as mashruc Hawiye too are welcome but the moment they fuck you over dont come back running to refugee camps in Kenya.We have fought Darood mashruc,Hawiye Mashruuc,AS mashruuc etc in JL we always win by the grace of Allah.
Yes u are right sxb but first we need to unite under one ugaas which is my reer abti xaaji saalax abtisame. Then we need to think strategically for instance, part of xaaji saalax are of isaaq descent and live in toogdheer. The hadamo are doqondiid around 50%. We need to use these relationships like this to our advantage. Then tear up this whole jubaland project when there is a hawiye president
they say gaaljecel is about culture rather than qabiil example sh yacoub al Shabaab kismaayo waali they call him gaaljecel because hes a hadaamo the rahanwayn who have camel therefore they must be gaaljecel! Another example is ode cadde who are backed by garre in lower shabelle against caafi both are gaaljecel and they fight some say odey cadde are the garre who own camel therefore gaaljecel in eelaay those who like camel! Every clan is about federation so any camel owners south of hiiraan are basically gaaljecel.
Forget about hawiye and USC today Somalia is federalism. You need be like shekhaal who change their shirts they used to be with Moorgan after walalaalaha galgaduud attack of jilib and then joined madoobe via reerow Hassan and Farah cabdulkadir before the heshiis with mx.
Naa sxb there is abtirsi. hadamo everyone knows a big portion is of gaaljecel and other reer hiiraan origin including xawadle.these hadamo wareey ku lee yihin when u ask them who are u hadamo. If u ask them yaa ka sii tahay they will say “galjel”in af maay accent kkkk. When the nomads are moving there will be some who become detached from the clan and settle elsewhere. Also, when clans live in close proximity there will be some mixing. For instance there is some abtisamo who are originally xawadle and some Cali madaxweyn who are originally gaaljecel it is macruf sxb.and sheekhal wee is yeelayaan but they are not a small qabiil. Reer ow Xasan are not shiiqaal truly I believe.
good point. We look the same so probably we are pretty mixed thought I heard about Adan warsame may have gaaljecel origin but what's for sure is large part of adeerada hawadle joining degodia in filtu Ethiopia. Degodia used to be hawadle jayraan before gaaljecel settled in hawlwadaag we talked about this before anyways your cousins so one hawadle jufo in degodia is called reer gadiid from beergadiid. This is not myth it's well known for odayaasha http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=s2h5 ... =html_text
ReturnOfMariixmaan wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:39 pm
This man loved his Reer abti too much. I love the old man, but that was his flaw. We should've supported the jabhads instead of total war. Cagdheers weren't worth our seat. Maslax would've been our president today. Our kursi was worth more than Cagdher lives:
The caaqdheers kept you guys in power and were the central pillar in the MOD alliance, without them MSB aun wouldn't have lasted 21 years.
You are trying to derail from your initial claim that somalia is in the state that is in is because of 77, which is a code word for Ogaden and IS A LIE. The civil war was started by boons, yes ogaden and every somali clan was part of the kacan but not so you can bully their clans. Barre created this bs unity until he turned into a power hungry clannist and started to consolidate more power and used to murder, loot lands and rape non boon clans. You have no foot to stand on laangaab boy, hopefully once other Somali clans use their brain instead of repeating the lie that boon are wadani and actually have an honest discussion about the fact that it was boons who are the destruction of Somalia then and only then other clans will finally deal with you and I hope its sooner than later.
Yes out of a sense of nationalism and blood ties. Which is the stupidest move ever. He should've support the jabhads inside Ethiopia. Wasting resources which could've put Somalia Khaleej level with our natural resources. I blame OG, this your failure. You were the majority in Ogadenia. Where was your valor? You're his generals and in the end you backstabbed him for Caydiid.
The next great MX strongman will never go out for you again. Matter of fact it is in our strategic interest for you to be under Ethiopia. That way you won't get in the way of our interest in the south. This realpolitik. The era of Daroodism is over.
Of course out of nationalism you dump fuck, just like every other clan was part of the kacaan for the same reason. What a retarded argument. He should have completely stayed out of our business because he is the reason why more Ogaden died and still died, my people are to this day being punished for it. Another one of your retarded argument is that we are majority, what an idiot, we may out number you laangaab clans but clearly Ogaden is out number by ethiopia hugely, I am sure you would love for us to commit mass suicide though, after all we are larger the other clans. There has never been a strong boon man nor will there ever, and the reason the kacaan existed was because afweyne had the support of the people and when they were fed up with his terrorism against them they fought back. Next time, although I have my doubts there will be another next time for boon when your current terrorist boon is acting like another afweyne stay the fuck out of Ogaden aftiars. Oh and you can keep bringing up the past to make your pathetic state. You can lie and claim it us, but it was marexaans constantly bullying of other clans that caused them to rebel and aultimately start the civil war. If afweyne was a decent leader Somalia would have been weak but stable today. MAREXAAN ARE THE REASON WHY SOMALIA IS UNSTABLE, WEAK, FAILED STATE. Boons are so weak they cant even feed their children in gaajoharey or secure Xamar and take Kismayo. All this back and forth about the past is a distraction for you of how badly you losers have failed to defeat ONe SUB CLAN OF OGADEN. Keep crying. Kismayo is not yours and will never be yours.
It wasn't our fault your leaders and soliders are weak. I dominated you from the Kacaan era to jabhad (SNF) to JVA. Now the only reason you got for Kismayo is because Yusuf Haji begged his Kenyan masters for help. Don't flatter yourself. MX is the only clan to take land from you that you are still crying about. Isn't Fafaxdhuun and Baardhere yours as you say? That's pre Kacaan karbaash Jubbaland won't exist if MX doesn't get it's cut. Period end od story. Somalia ended because Somalis are YEEY and Aabo Siyaad has been proven right!
sahal80 wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:15 am
I dont wanna to involve in your civil war but it was the other way OGs prolonged his staying as MOD and army generals. barre wanted to use the OG population to control he whole Somali peninsula and you know how he lost power as soon they became mucaarad(gabiyow jubba front and jees bakool front) honestly USC could not have removed him from xamar without OG capturing first bay and bakool and afgooye. Barre was left only to go via the coastal shalaambood road.
barre used them to change demographics of hiiraan and waqooyi. I have seen a paper shows how OG refugees were distributed I dont think gedo had bigger number than hiiraan and and waqooyi galbeed even shabeelada house and nothing about jubooyinka were OG Somalis live. Some times people were eating in the refugee name like the book hell to the road says when they visit a camp they only see 3000 instead of 5000. Mxs had alot of food in the name of refugees back then. One odey told how mx food lorries move from jawiil and qooqand wich had OG camps to caabudwaaq and balanbale kkkk he even side to me it was full of weelal and sugar as well ask any reer siyaad odey.
In 1988 after barre reached deal with ethiopia. Ethiopia accepted the return of "its Somali refugees" however barre stopped the UNHCR taking back OGs to their land. This was one of the reasons local people believed their land have been stolen forever and when they took the arms he used the guests against the hosts.
Mareexaan were majority before the Kacaan. My sub clan was in Gedo 200-240 years before the other MX migrated in force during the Darawiish era. OG and MX will fix their squabbles. Then it's over for HAG. Believe that.
Yes out of a sense of nationalism and blood ties. Which is the stupidest move ever. He should've support the jabhads inside Ethiopia. Wasting resources which could've put Somalia Khaleej level with our natural resources. I blame OG, this your failure. You were the majority in Ogadenia. Where was your valor? You're his generals and in the end you backstabbed him for Caydiid.
The next great MX strongman will never go out for you again. Matter of fact it is in our strategic interest for you to be under Ethiopia. That way you won't get in the way of our interest in the south. This realpolitik. The era of Daroodism is over.
Of course out of nationalism you dump fuck, just like every other clan was part of the kacaan for the same reason. What a retarded argument. He should have completely stayed out of our business because he is the reason why more Ogaden died and still died, my people are to this day being punished for it. Another one of your retarded argument is that we are majority, what an idiot, we may out number you laangaab clans but clearly Ogaden is out number by ethiopia hugely, I am sure you would love for us to commit mass suicide though, after all we are larger the other clans. There has never been a strong boon man nor will there ever, and the reason the kacaan existed was because afweyne had the support of the people and when they were fed up with his terrorism against them they fought back. Next time, although I have my doubts there will be another next time for boon when your current terrorist boon is acting like another afweyne stay the fuck out of Ogaden aftiars. Oh and you can keep bringing up the past to make your pathetic state. You can lie and claim it us, but it was marexaans constantly bullying of other clans that caused them to rebel and aultimately start the civil war. If afweyne was a decent leader Somalia would have been weak but stable today. MAREXAAN ARE THE REASON WHY SOMALIA IS UNSTABLE, WEAK, FAILED STATE. Boons are so weak they cant even feed their children in gaajoharey or secure Xamar and take Kismayo. All this back and forth about the past is a distraction for you of how badly you losers have failed to defeat ONe SUB CLAN OF OGADEN. Keep crying. Kismayo is not yours and will never be yours.
It wasn't our fault your leaders and soliders are weak. I dominated you from the Kacaan era to jabhad (SNF) to JVA. Now the only reason you got for Kismayo is because Yusuf Haji begged his Kenyan masters for help. Don't flatter yourself. MX is the only clan to take land from you that you are still crying about. Isn't Fafaxdhuun and Baardhere yours as you say? That's pre Kacaan karbaash Jubbaland won't exist if MX doesn't get it's cut. Period end od story. Somalia ended because Somalis are YEEY and Aabo Siyaad has been proven right!
Horta munafiq reer xassan ba tahay oo been badhan.
You are in the deep pockets of Madoobe yet shed crocodile tears for reer diini.
I will only address reer diini feom now on.
Because it will be irony for me to critisize someone that says Abo Madoobe in private and Aboo Farmajo in public.
The only mistake I know is MSB trusting USA to arm Somalia. As someone mentioned, there was no way the Judeo-Christians were gonna arm a Muslim-majority country against a Christian-led Ethiopia. Simply put; MSB wa tricked by the Judeo-Christians who wanted to weaken a strong Muslim-majority country, just as they tricked Saddam Hussein.
It wasn't our fault your leaders and soliders are weak. I dominated you from the Kacaan era to jabhad (SNF) to JVA. Now the only reason you got for Kismayo is because Yusuf Haji begged his Kenyan masters for help. Don't flatter yourself. MX is the only clan to take land from you that you are still crying about. Isn't Fafaxdhuun and Baardhere yours as you say? That's pre Kacaan karbaash Jubbaland won't exist if MX doesn't get it's cut. Period end od story. Somalia ended because Somalis are YEEY and Aabo Siyaad has been proven right!
Ogaden are not weak nor have ever been weak. Ogadens down fall however is that they believe in Somalinimo, Daroodnimo, kablaaxnimo TOO MUCH, but they are awake today, mostly our youth which is a good thing bc it is they who will lead Ogaden in the near future in sha Allah. You laangaabs have taken advantage of our good hearts but that is changing quickly and it wont be so good for everyone including boon. Somalis will know then who is weak although we have so far proven by uniting in JL. Boons will be taught a heavy lesson once cawlyahan are empowered by the rest of their Ogaden brothers and wil give you the karbash of the century since its them you losers have been hiding behind all this time. JL exists and will continue to exist with the dominant clan (Ogaden) ruling till judgement day in sha Allah. Keep crying all over the net and day dreaming about the past, today is different because Ogaden is united on one goal and that is taking back all their lands in Waamo.
paperino wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:41 pm
The only mistake I know is MSB trusting USA to arm Somalia. As someone mentioned, there was no way the Judeo-Christians were gonna arm a Muslim-majority country against a Christian-led Ethiopia. Simply put; MSB wa tricked by the Judeo-Christians who wanted to weaken a strong Muslim-majority country, just as they tricked Saddam Hussein.
Why are you dodging the fact that it was Egypt and KSA that lured and convinced MSB to wage the war against Ethiopia and that thwy would stand with him.
The Arabs gave him green lights.
paperino wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:41 pm
The only mistake I know is MSB trusting USA to arm Somalia. As someone mentioned, there was no way the Judeo-Christians were gonna arm a Muslim-majority country against a Christian-led Ethiopia. Simply put; MSB wa tricked by the Judeo-Christians who wanted to weaken a strong Muslim-majority country, just as they tricked Saddam Hussein.
Why are you dodging the fact that it was Egypt and KSA that lured and convinced MSB to wage the war against Ethiopia and that thwy would stand with him.
The Arabs gave him green lights.
Saudis convinced Barre that they can guarantee US aid and promised $200million in those days allot of money.
The US as expected failed to deliver they have a habit of not supporting Muslim countries even strategically valuable ones like Pakistan.
Pakistan nearly collapsed due to the US pulling out of aid in 1965 , the us screwed them again in 1971 and 1991.
Of course out of nationalism you dump fuck, just like every other clan was part of the kacaan for the same reason. What a retarded argument. He should have completely stayed out of our business because he is the reason why more Ogaden died and still died, my people are to this day being punished for it. Another one of your retarded argument is that we are majority, what an idiot, we may out number you laangaab clans but clearly Ogaden is out number by ethiopia hugely, I am sure you would love for us to commit mass suicide though, after all we are larger the other clans. There has never been a strong boon man nor will there ever, and the reason the kacaan existed was because afweyne had the support of the people and when they were fed up with his terrorism against them they fought back. Next time, although I have my doubts there will be another next time for boon when your current terrorist boon is acting like another afweyne stay the fuck out of Ogaden aftiars. Oh and you can keep bringing up the past to make your pathetic state. You can lie and claim it us, but it was marexaans constantly bullying of other clans that caused them to rebel and aultimately start the civil war. If afweyne was a decent leader Somalia would have been weak but stable today. MAREXAAN ARE THE REASON WHY SOMALIA IS UNSTABLE, WEAK, FAILED STATE. Boons are so weak they cant even feed their children in gaajoharey or secure Xamar and take Kismayo. All this back and forth about the past is a distraction for you of how badly you losers have failed to defeat ONe SUB CLAN OF OGADEN. Keep crying. Kismayo is not yours and will never be yours.
It wasn't our fault your leaders and soliders are weak. I dominated you from the Kacaan era to jabhad (SNF) to JVA. Now the only reason you got for Kismayo is because Yusuf Haji begged his Kenyan masters for help. Don't flatter yourself. MX is the only clan to take land from you that you are still crying about. Isn't Fafaxdhuun and Baardhere yours as you say? That's pre Kacaan karbaash Jubbaland won't exist if MX doesn't get it's cut. Period end od story. Somalia ended because Somalis are YEEY and Aabo Siyaad has been proven right!
Horta munafiq reer xassan ba tahay oo been badhan.
You are in the deep pockets of Madoobe yet shed crocodile tears for reer diini.
I will only address reer diini feom now on.
Because it will be irony for me to critisize someone that says Abo Madoobe in private and Aboo Farmajo in public.
