Was Sambaloshe influenced by Sahal of snet

[Khalid Ali]

Od the the tranny when are you going to liberate your people

[Django]

Sahal no more sahalleaks.You informant has been exposed.

[theyuusuf143]

Od the the tranny when are you going to liberate your people

From who ? The same can be applied on you , when are you going to liberate your peaple in xarshin. the British gave to Ethiopia right ? Well the same British gave His peaple to Somaliland. So shut the fk up and stick to your 30 KMs . Why you afraid of the HY horta dhuloos are not the ones who are giving you headache. Stop releasing your frustrations on dhuloos.

[vinshom]

Habar gidir are ban Somalists , they are far from being racists. Xawaadle are the opposite . Even the abgaal donkeys are xenophobic but they are like the hutus , once they wake up they spare no one not even the hawiyes. All Somalis in Xamar live with habar gidir. Daanta abgaa ka xitaa alshabaab ku way ku yaryihiin , waa meesha dayax dalnuurshe isku cadeeyo ee balbalaadhku joogto, fusuq oo dhan dhinaca abgaal kuu ka socda cidna ma qarxiso waayo yaguun baa baa kunool

You are calling Abgaal donkey, when Abgaal men refused to bomb Hargeisa in the 80, you sound like Darood hiding behind Somaliland flag.

Lool I thought you are oki with the donkey thing. Oki I stop calling you donkeys .

I will tell you why Abgaals are called donkeys, long time ago, Women from the north slept with Abgaal man when they went to bed and she saw the big surprise waiting, she immediately said waa maxay ma dameer ba waxa, abgaalka bahal dameer ee qabaan, abgaal are well known with that so if a man like you uses the word it makes him look like a third gender obssessed with men private parts size.

[original dervish]

So it's not because every first born Abgaal inherits his father's donkey and cart at 17?

[Baad]

So it's not because every first born Abgaal inherits his father's donkey and cart at 17?

It’s unfortunate that you throw yourself in the line of fire for someone who is proud and loud about their abuse against you. Stockholm syndrome iga deh.

[original dervish]

In the line of fire.....are you for real?
Seriously you need to take the Aspergers test.

[vinshom]

So it's not because every first born Abgaal inherits his father's donkey and cart at 17?

It’s unfortunate that you throw yourself in the line of fire for someone who is proud and loud about their abuse against you. Stockholm syndrome iga deh.

This one hurts pretty hard, the girl is aching in pain from your replay What surprises me the most is that she hates Hawiye more than Isaaq.

[Murax]

Vinshom/Bad,

Women are weak sometimes. Leave her be

[original dervish]

I honestly don't hate anybody least of all Somali's....too much negative energy to carry around.

My post was in jest.....clearly some folk take snet way too seriously.

This guy got dragged around snet by his nuts and yet he comes for me.

[Baad]

Vinshom/Bad,

Women are weak sometimes. Leave her be

Haye ina adeer


Magaca waa BAAD, not bad lol. Baad as in extortion

[Voltage]

Voltaage, sax waaye in historically aan la dhaqmi jirnay MX iyo OG sida xabashida historically ay yeman iyo jaseera arabiya ula dhaqmi jirtey halkaas uu naceebka carabta iyo itoobiya ka biloowdey. waxaa kaloo is neceb carabta iyo yahuuda oo dadka isugu dhaw. xawaadle iyo mx iyo OG geeleey kala dhici jireen sababtaas ayaan ceyr u dajinay matabaan mareey mx ka soo qaxeen. marka arintaan waa ka horeeysan qarameen waxay ku bilaabatey iskaashiga geeleeyda. waxaa kaloo jiray inta ay baardheere aadin in OG iyo MX isku dayeen inay xawaadle soo jiiraan ooy dhsnka hiiraan u soo hayaamaa waa u soconwaysay bakool ayay mareen. markaas xawaadle wuxuu u dhaxeeyay qalaafe iyo qoraxeey laakiin weeraradii xabashida ay u guureen dhinaca bariga hiiraan iyo maxaas oo murursade deganaa ugu danbeen dagaalkii civil warka ayaan hawiye toos ula galnay waxaana sabab u ahaa dadlii hiiraan lagu beeray. arimankaan oo dhan ayaa keenay in aan hawiye alliance la galno darood dartiis maaha cabsi aan hawiye la qabno lol

waxaan laaga yagayaa gabayadaan taariikhiga ah mid wuxuu ku tusinayaa OG oo dhinacna hawadle dagaal kula jira dhinacna isaaq dhagaxbuur agteeda waa 18 century. mid kale wuxuu ku tusinayaa hawadle iyo mx oo markaas hawadle hawiyaha gabay ka sameeyay. waa uleex faarax awoowe afaraad u ah farax gubadleey ooy dhaleen ogaadeen USCdii hiiraan hogaaminaayey asagoo abtiyaashiis la dagaalamaya.

sh ali jimcaale waa nin agoon cabdalle ah ah oo reer ulasan ah naceebkiusa meeshaasuu ka yimid. anaga darood dagaal waligeen aan kula jirnay laakin hawiye 90skii

Sahal, couple points.

1. The boundary between us in terms of settlement was the Shabelle River. Anything north of the Shabelle River was Darod (Marehan and Ogaden). Anything south of it was everyone else. Here is a map by another famous Italian explorer Luigi Brichetti Robecchi who traversed the area.





Most people don't even know that Marehan was always the biggest card wielded by the Italians to militarily come into the Ogaden region. It was their biggest excuse because the Italians claimed entire Marehan as their subjects and the "Marehan Country" with western border at Garloogubay down to Hiiraan border at the Shabelle riverr as an extension of Somalia Italiana. The Marehan absolutely detested the Ethiopians and consistently attempted to bring the Ethiopians and Italy into war. In fact, Adan Loow started the 2nd Italo-Ethiopian War that saw Mussolini take over Ethiopia and Haile Selassie go into exile.



2. There was never a united Marehan and Ogaden position against Xawaadle. In fact, my grandpa told me Marehan has NEVER clashed with Xawaadle until the civil war. He actually said as a little kid, if ever a dispute arose between one of us and a Xawaadle, immediately Xawaadle would be given gar.

The reason was because the Marehan in control of ceelasha Ulasan, Qalqalooc, Baar Magoog, Laba Baar and others in the area was reer Siyaad with some reer Warsame. Both reer Siyaad and reer Warsame are bah-Xawaadle and both had strong xushmad towards their reer abti. Immediately reer Siyaad would give Xawaadle gar if ever a Marehan got into dispute with them.

Also this concept of Marehan and Ogaden united position is false because while the only Marehan in the area was us (for example we did not even allow the reer Dalal of Farmaajo to be in the area! Kuwaas dagaal baa naga dhaxeeyey ), the only Ogaden in the area were Makaahiil and bah-Geri and you guys only saw bah-Geri because we were in between you and Makaahiil. We were always at war with Bah-Geri. In fact, my grandpa said in the week he was born, reer Siyaad intay duuleen they killed the chief of bah-Geri!

I am sure there were hostilities between you guys too, but if there was trust me, it had nothing to do with us.

True there xeer gaar between us and Ogaden as Darod, but they were the people we most fought with followed by Habar Gidir whom my grandfather said ilaahay hanaga cafiyo but we would attack for no reason. He said a week did not go by without reer Siyaad coming back with Cayr loot especially reer Ayaanle who were our southeastern neighbors!

3. When he told me in his long life and early experience in the area, he never heard of a single clash between Marehan and Xawaadle, I was not then surprised that Marehan particularly bah-Xawaadle from Balanbale under SNF (Somali National Front) led by Col Abdirisaaq Isaaq Biixi (reer Siyaad) came to the aid of Beledweyne and expelled Caydiid from the town after you requested support.

This was right after you guys were more USC than Hawiye in Xamar ilaahay amarkiis!

Somalis say that Aideed, whose Habre Gedir militias have suffered several bitter defeats at the hands of the rival Marehan clan in recent weeks in the central regions, has left Mogadishu to personally lead counterattacks.

The town of Belet Huen on the Ethiopian frontier has been captured by the joint Marehan and Hawadle forces, who had lost it to Aideed's forces while the United Nations was still in Somalia last year.

The Habre Gedir have also come under bitter attacks from the Marehan around the remote central town of Dusa Mareb, Somali travellers say." [1]

AFP, January 20, 1993 writes:

"Beledweyne (Belet Uen): 19th January: Forces loyal to ousted Somali dictator Muhammad Siyad Barreh launched an attack north-west of Beledweyne, leaving about 25 dead, according to reports reaching this central Somalia town. The attack by the Somali National Front came near the small town of Matabaan about a week ago, according to Matabaan townsfolk who have deployed mines around it for their defence. Some reports put the death toll up to 30.

The Beledweyne region has been allocated to Canadian forces in Operation Restore Hope, and their commander despatched troops and armoured cars to Matabaan, close to the Ethiopian border. . .

Canadian Lt-Col Carol Mathieu, who visited Matabaan, said he had news of "a major battle" west of Matabaan. According to Aideed's United Somali Congress, the SNF [Somali National Front] made the incursion. The SNF is said to control the border town of Balanballe, further to the north.

Meanwhile, Ethiopian forces have taken control of and sealed off the border town of Ferfer north-west of Beledweyne to try to prevent cross-border movement, witnesses said." [2]

Reuters, 19 January, 1993 writes:

"But rival Habre Gedir and Marehan clan forces fought a fierce battle a week ago at a village 80 km (50 miles) to the north of Belet-Uen and 30 people were reported killed.

"We were told they used armoured vehicles, technicals and mortars," Mathieu said, adding that he had sent 20 armoured cars to patrol the Ethiopian border and prevent more fighting." [3]

And once again in 9 May, 1993:

"The last clan battle in Belet Huen was in January, a week after the Canadians stormed the sand-swept town. Thirty people were killed in the battle between forces of the Habre Gedir and Marehan clans." [4]


Sources:
[1] Reuters (1995)
[2] AFP, January 20, 1993
[3] Reuters, 19 January, 1993
[4] Reuters, 9 May, 1993

Marka sxb if there was long standing beef between you guys and those Ogaden guys, we never had anything to do with it.

P.S. The several bitter defeats Caydiid suffered under Marehan they are talking about is the times he tried to capture Caabudwaaq, Balanbale, Dhabat, Bangeele, Burgeesoole, or other Marehan deegaan in central Somalia. They went from Beledweyne to Gaalkacyo, but Caydiid with all of Habar Gidir and their minions under USC could not even dream of smelling the air in a Marehan deegaan. Remember Feero Qumumux, the last time he tried to take over any Marehan deegaan in central Somalia. I think Cayr only lost 1/3 of their men in that battle! When he saw some Habar Gidir supporting Farmaajo during the time he was PM, Jamstreet that bitter Cayr guy that used to be here said did they forget Feero Qumumux already!

It's called Feero Qumumux because Marehan ran over the USC dead with trucks, pulverizing their bodies as a warning next time they tried to attack Caabudwaaq! It was brutal times acuudi bilaah.

[Murax]

Sahal,

Like Voltage said a major branch of Reer Diini are known as ‘Bah Xawaadle’. In my city you’ll see Xawaadle refer to Marexaan as ‘Awoowe’ and vice versa. Also if I’m not mistaken there is a small Xawaadle community in Gedo that has been living with Marexaan for centuries no problem. Last but not least we were one of your allies against Caydiid when he turned on you guys. It is absurd to say Marexaan ‘teamed up’ with OG against you guys. If there is anyone who teamed up with anyone it was Xawaadle who joined the rest of Hawiye in attacking the initial attack vs Marexaan.


Voltage,


Isn’t funny how Marexaan were supposed to be on the run defenseless, when in reality looking at that article Marexaan were the ones on the offensive while USC were on their heals. Hiiraan, Matabaan, Gaalkacyo are Xawaadle, Cayr, MJ.Sacad areas. This is why Marexaan have the lease cuqdad against Hawiye. When it was time to throw down and fight we handled our business like ragg. when the war was over its over. Thats one of the reasons why Somalis from other qabiils respect about Marexaan.

[UgaaskaBarakaysan]

The President of Waqooyi Galgaduud Mohamed Xaashi Carabey (Reer Warsame) and the head of Ahlu Sunnah Shiekh Shaakir (Cayr) hold the most powerful militias in the region. The reconciliation conference was accepted by him only by the conditions that the FGS be directly involved and they made the ahlu sunnah completely submit.

[sahal80]

Voltaage, sax waaye in historically aan la dhaqmi jirnay MX iyo OG sida xabashida historically ay yeman iyo jaseera arabiya ula dhaqmi jirtey halkaas uu naceebka carabta iyo itoobiya ka biloowdey. waxaa kaloo is neceb carabta iyo yahuuda oo dadka isugu dhaw. xawaadle iyo mx iyo OG geeleey kala dhici jireen sababtaas ayaan ceyr u dajinay matabaan mareey mx ka soo qaxeen. marka arintaan waa ka horeeysan qarameen waxay ku bilaabatey iskaashiga geeleeyda. waxaa kaloo jiray inta ay baardheere aadin in OG iyo MX isku dayeen inay xawaadle soo jiiraan ooy dhsnka hiiraan u soo hayaamaa waa u soconwaysay bakool ayay mareen. markaas xawaadle wuxuu u dhaxeeyay qalaafe iyo qoraxeey laakiin weeraradii xabashida ay u guureen dhinaca bariga hiiraan iyo maxaas oo murursade deganaa ugu danbeen dagaalkii civil warka ayaan hawiye toos ula galnay waxaana sabab u ahaa dadlii hiiraan lagu beeray. arimankaan oo dhan ayaa keenay in aan hawiye alliance la galno darood dartiis maaha cabsi aan hawiye la qabno lol

waxaan laaga yagayaa gabayadaan taariikhiga ah mid wuxuu ku tusinayaa OG oo dhinacna hawadle dagaal kula jira dhinacna isaaq dhagaxbuur agteeda waa 18 century. mid kale wuxuu ku tusinayaa hawadle iyo mx oo markaas hawadle hawiyaha gabay ka sameeyay. waa uleex faarax awoowe afaraad u ah farax gubadleey ooy dhaleen ogaadeen USCdii hiiraan hogaaminaayey asagoo abtiyaashiis la dagaalamaya.

sh ali jimcaale waa nin agoon cabdalle ah ah oo reer ulasan ah naceebkiusa meeshaasuu ka yimid. anaga darood dagaal waligeen aan kula jirnay laakin hawiye 90skii

Sahal, couple points.

1. The boundary between us in terms of settlement was the Shabelle River. Anything north of the Shabelle River was Darod (Marehan and Ogaden). Anything south of it was everyone else. Here is a map by another famous Italian explorer Luigi Brichetti Robecchi who traversed the area.





Most people don't even know that Marehan was always the biggest card wielded by the Italians to militarily come into the Ogaden region. It was their biggest excuse because the Italians claimed entire Marehan as their subjects and the "Marehan Country" with western border at Garloogubay down to Hiiraan border at the Shabelle riverr as an extension of Somalia Italiana. The Marehan absolutely detested the Ethiopians and consistently attempted to bring the Ethiopians and Italy into war. In fact, Adan Loow started the 2nd Italo-Ethiopian War that saw Mussolini take over Ethiopia and Haile Selassie go into exile.



2. There was never a united Marehan and Ogaden position against Xawaadle. In fact, my grandpa told me Marehan has NEVER clashed with Xawaadle until the civil war. He actually said as a little kid, if ever a dispute arose between one of us and a Xawaadle, immediately Xawaadle would be given gar.

The reason was because the Marehan in control of ceelasha Ulasan, Qalqalooc, Baar Magoog, Laba Baar and others in the area was reer Siyaad with some reer Warsame. Both reer Siyaad and reer Warsame are bah-Xawaadle and both had strong xushmad towards their reer abti. Immediately reer Siyaad would give Xawaadle gar if ever a Marehan got into dispute with them.

Also this concept of Marehan and Ogaden united position is false because while the only Marehan in the area was us (for example we did not even allow the reer Dalal of Farmaajo to be in the area! Kuwaas dagaal baa naga dhaxeeyey ), the only Ogaden in the area were Makaahiil and bah-Geri and you guys only saw bah-Geri because we were in between you and Makaahiil. We were always at war with Bah-Geri. In fact, my grandpa said in the week he was born, reer Siyaad intay duuleen they killed the chief of bah-Geri!

I am sure there were hostilities between you guys too, but if there was trust me, it had nothing to do with us.

True there xeer gaar between us and Ogaden as Darod, but they were the people we most fought with followed by Habar Gidir whom my grandfather said ilaahay hanaga cafiyo but we would attack for no reason. He said a week did not go by without reer Siyaad coming back with Cayr loot especially reer Ayaanle who were our southeastern neighbors!

3. When he told me in his long life and early experience in the area, he never heard of a single clash between Marehan and Xawaadle, I was not then surprised that Marehan particularly bah-Xawaadle from Balanbale under SNF (Somali National Front) led by Col Abdirisaaq Isaaq Biixi (reer Siyaad) came to the aid of Beledweyne and expelled Caydiid from the town after you requested support.

This was right after you guys were more USC than Hawiye in Xamar ilaahay amarkiis!

Somalis say that Aideed, whose Habre Gedir militias have suffered several bitter defeats at the hands of the rival Marehan clan in recent weeks in the central regions, has left Mogadishu to personally lead counterattacks.

The town of Belet Huen on the Ethiopian frontier has been captured by the joint Marehan and Hawadle forces, who had lost it to Aideed's forces while the United Nations was still in Somalia last year.

The Habre Gedir have also come under bitter attacks from the Marehan around the remote central town of Dusa Mareb, Somali travellers say." [1]

AFP, January 20, 1993 writes:

"Beledweyne (Belet Uen): 19th January: Forces loyal to ousted Somali dictator Muhammad Siyad Barreh launched an attack north-west of Beledweyne, leaving about 25 dead, according to reports reaching this central Somalia town. The attack by the Somali National Front came near the small town of Matabaan about a week ago, according to Matabaan townsfolk who have deployed mines around it for their defence. Some reports put the death toll up to 30.

The Beledweyne region has been allocated to Canadian forces in Operation Restore Hope, and their commander despatched troops and armoured cars to Matabaan, close to the Ethiopian border. . .

Canadian Lt-Col Carol Mathieu, who visited Matabaan, said he had news of "a major battle" west of Matabaan. According to Aideed's United Somali Congress, the SNF [Somali National Front] made the incursion. The SNF is said to control the border town of Balanballe, further to the north.

Meanwhile, Ethiopian forces have taken control of and sealed off the border town of Ferfer north-west of Beledweyne to try to prevent cross-border movement, witnesses said." [2]

Reuters, 19 January, 1993 writes:

"But rival Habre Gedir and Marehan clan forces fought a fierce battle a week ago at a village 80 km (50 miles) to the north of Belet-Uen and 30 people were reported killed.

"We were told they used armoured vehicles, technicals and mortars," Mathieu said, adding that he had sent 20 armoured cars to patrol the Ethiopian border and prevent more fighting." [3]

And once again in 9 May, 1993:

"The last clan battle in Belet Huen was in January, a week after the Canadians stormed the sand-swept town. Thirty people were killed in the battle between forces of the Habre Gedir and Marehan clans." [4]


Sources:
[1] Reuters (1995)
[2] AFP, January 20, 1993
[3] Reuters, 19 January, 1993
[4] Reuters, 9 May, 1993

Marka sxb if there was long standing beef between you guys and those Ogaden guys, we never had anything to do with it.

P.S. The several bitter defeats Caydiid suffered under Marehan they are talking about is the times he tried to capture Caabudwaaq, Balanbale, Dhabat, Bangeele, Burgeesoole, or other Marehan deegaan in central Somalia. They went from Beledweyne to Gaalkacyo, but Caydiid with all of Habar Gidir and their minions under USC could not even dream of smelling the air in a Marehan deegaan. Remember Feero Qumumux, the last time he tried to take over any Marehan deegaan in central Somalia. I think Cayr only lost 1/3 of their men in that battle! When he saw some Habar Gidir supporting Farmaajo during the time he was PM, Jamstreet that bitter Cayr guy that used to be here said did they forget Feero Qumumux already!

It's called Feero Qumumux because Marehan ran over the USC dead with trucks, pulverizing their bodies as a warning next time they tried to attack Caabudwaaq! It was brutal times acuudi bilaah.

thanks for the map sxb. i heard about there is a border marked by the british between hawadle and mx when they defeated the italians another ine between hawadle and ceyr wich is beyond matabaan. british used to do this between the nothern clans.
my friend what i said is from our traditions not from google another one is "aduunka waxaan ugu necbahay HG waxaanse ka sii necbahay cida neceb" this was said by nabadoon sondhool guure to mx who were seeking for alliance against HG.
as for 1994, after the war with ceydiid in airportka Xamar, we established in hiiraan the USCPM. i have seen the pics of ali Osoble its leader with ali mahdi and omar haji massale in baladweyne. this was one of the reasons why caydiid got mad and invaded baladweyne bc not just ali mahdi but we also invited omar haji massale but our coalition with omar haji massaleh was based on reer hiiraanimo not bc he was mx but we were sending a message to mx that we no longer part of the war against them and that why we called ourselves peace movement (USCPM)

anything in google wrote by someone who doesnt know somali regions can take the account of anyone even a mx and kuturi kuteen that they liberated baladweyne with hawadle. xagaa soo marayaan mx gudaha itoobiya lama mari karin adoo hubaysan? that is not true at all. i stated that we made peace earlier with omar massale so helped us with weapons waliba awr baa lagu soo rari jiray waxaa loo keeni jiray one front we had at the ethiopian border close to mustaxiil not feerfeer a place called burdhiinle. most weapons came from abgaal baabuurta rakaabka ayaa lagu soo qarin jiray intaan baladweyne la gaarin ayeey galbeedka uleexan jireen oo dhinaca jijeelaha ka soo gali jireen. saan horey kuugu sheegay jijeelaha hawadle ay la jireen 1994kii iyo reerow hassan bc of HG arming gaaljecel once they arrived so jijeele offered us safe passage and spying on HG and some hawadle claiming jijeele iyo reerow hassan. siikhaal loobage supported caydiiid. baadicade supported ceydiid gaaljecel supported ceydiid. ceydiid intuu ka soo galey baladweyne? not matabaan from walawayn waliba they came from balidoogle suddenly they crossed liiqliiqato to the east side at night and then captured xerada lanagaalay. we had huge ayaanle sacad from mustaxiil in the town they joined caato and became his eyes taking him to the airport. when he was in walawayn they divided the army some gone buuloburde and the other to baladweyne and thus controlled the road. people wrongly believe that hawadle lost all hiiraan we still had tuulooyinka iyo baadiyah dhulka cali madaxwayne like maxaas iyo moqokori we liberated hiiraan from this east who captured the highy way and then baladweyne from two sides from mustaxiil along the river banks and from beergadiid and ceelgaal front. beergadiid us close to matabaan so after securing these villages on the highy HG became isolated in baladweyne and buuloburde and started fleeying from the airport like caato who got injured in his leg. so all the tuulooyin next to murursade and abgaal and ceyr hosted army bases to free the highway first and when we reached jawiil, ceelgaal, halgan from moqokoro and maxaas we attacked baladweyne and buuloburde at the same time. i dont like to talk about the past and what happened between us and HG im just showing real videos of how hawadle liberated hiiraan by themselves.

this video is from the east the hinterland of ali madaxweyne you can see col omar hashi visiting the bases one of them is led by col Farah gubadleey. from 5:00 you can see hubka and then talking baladweyne getting liberated. starts from moqokori when he says we welckme USCpm deputy. hawadle thank allah for this war because they stopped HG at that time today only hiirasn is free from them in shabeele even in middle shabelle they are in qalimow from walawayn let alone xamar and lafoole up to baraawe. so there is a wisdom in war. they say dagaalka horimar buu keenaa.