Master Plan to make Garowe the capital city of Somalia

[Sagaashan]

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I don't see a issue with Garowe becoming capital. Muqdisho will still be the economic hub of Somalia.

like father, like son. These are the political newborns that Puntland has been robbing since 2000. He has no idea that employment, government office, hotels, restaurants, people, and the world will go where the capital is. He thinks the government built port will forever feed the populace who live there. He doesn't know the place will pretty much shrink in terms of population and investment.

He is the same guys who say "Xamar canshuurteeda baa la cuna" as if Xamar pays canshuur (people), and that 30-40% of govt budget is covered by World Bank and IC. He also doesn't realize whatever money is earned in Xamar is spent in Xamar. People live in hotels/houses ranging from $200-5000 each month. Forget about other services. Whoever gets money pretty much sends it back to the local economy.

Just aimless and he thinks there is a fight between MJ/MX, when in reality Farmaajo is just on the way of the robber getting away with crime.

[Samatalis249]

I don’t agree with everything you said but sahal is one delusional guy. He thinks Somaliland will stay as this unrecognised state forever out of the national politics. He thinks puntland will stay as an autonomous state and not challenge for the title and that abgaal will be in villa somalia forever. Abgaal need to xadxad jowhar villada umadey ka dhexeysa.

[dalalos101]

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I don't see a issue with Garowe becoming capital. Muqdisho will still be the economic hub of Somalia.

like father, like son. These are the political newborns that Puntland has been robbing since 2000. He has no idea that employment, government office, hotels, restaurants, people, and the world will go where the capital is. He thinks the government built port will forever feed the populace who live there. He doesn't know the place will pretty much shrink in terms of population and investment.

He is the same guys who say "Xamar canshuurteeda baa la cuna" as if Xamar pays canshuur (people), and that 30-40% of govt budget is covered by World Bank and IC. He also doesn't realize whatever money is earned in Xamar is spent in Xamar. People live in hotels/houses ranging from $200-5000 each month. Forget about other services. Whoever gets money pretty much sends it back to the local economy.

Just aimless and he thinks there is a fight between MJ/MX, when in reality Farmaajo is just on the way of the robber getting away with crime.

The Mucarad have lost clarity, waa la sixray, they are prepared to auction off entire regions, give capital, give PM position, give guaranteed funding, to a sub sub sub sub sub sub clan of Darood, in order to get their votes, mentally defeated waxaas hadaysan ahayn maxaa ah

[Sagaashan]

I can see the stress you are getting from this unholy alliance of hiiraab n Kablalax. Hayeey Dooliga

They know farmaajo will packing his shit up soon and move to Doha. Moghdisho will remain the capital

Remember its only Allah who giveth and taketh power, not some UAE funded guinea pigs. If its in the cards, he will come back to power, and I believe if Allah wants good for Somalia he or someone similar will return.

If Allah wants to complete the balkanization of Somalia, championed by Puntland, he will give it to any of the current opposition members or CC.

[sahal80]

Waxa fiican oo dantaada ku jirto waa lagu dayda, Hiirshabelle aspiration for autonomy and follow the Puntland model is not a problem to me, I have no qualms with walaahay Hiirshabelle.

I am not saying you should care about Kenya or UAE, that is not your role as a Hiirshabelle man, I cannot force you to be a Somali nationalist, laakin waxaa la yaabay Darood dhexdiisa maxaa ku dhigay, why do you care about that ? why you always cheerleading for Kablalax and Hiiraab when you are neither

"laakin waxaa la yaabay Darood dhexdiisa maxaa ku dhigay, why do you care about that" Darod business kuma dhex jiro sxb for example i dont talk about their local JL and PL politics i talk about their federal politics an as FMS who r stakeholders. when i sise with JL against N&N simply means Nabar iyo Naxdin vs FMS but if Farmaajo goes i wont care you will see and then i support one N&N wing since they failed forming one xisbi we have to form coalition with the lesser evil. Kheyre is going to open shirka garowe if farmaajo did not go! surrender situation to FMS!

i support a power sharing based between PL mj and hawiye-led Mogadishu Govt and giving them special status. Hirshabelle dont need to be autonomy. do you know that we have power sharing in Banaadir and middle shabelle that eelaay and darods dont have how can we be autonomy? we just need to be normal federal state where Hiiraan is free with its local business and gets its share of development from the FGS and backs the federal president as his constituency.

You are mixing national politics with local politics once again.

At the regional level:
MX and Hiraab interest do not clash infact we have mutual interest in the realization of Galmudug. Do not be fooled by the theatrics of Xaaf and ASWJ, its internal Hiraab issue nothing to do with MX.
In Jubaland MX is an administration in waiting, we are not only majority in Jubaland but we are legitimate administration in waiting because of cross clan support as opposed to Madoobe who is losing supporters from his own clan.

You are Hawaadle, we have nothing to do with you saxib at the regional level

At the national level:
MX and Hiraab are at odds primarily because of Kheyre, in the national power sharing framework it was a huge insult to Hiraab to pick a Murursade over Hiraab, this is where there opposition stems from, not from regional affairs.

MX and MJ rivalry at the national level has been constant since the start of the Somali state, they wish to represent Darood in the national stage, regardless of what we do they will oppose us due to internal Darood clan rivalry like Abgaal v Habar Gidir.

Again you are Hawaadle, we have nothing to do with you at the national stage either, you are not even possible candidate for Hawiye representation in the Power sharing framework, it will always be Hiraab.

Mucarad and Muxafid
There are very few MX who are Mucarad and they have been defeated, internal MX affairs

There are some Hiraab Mucarad, they are also defeated, again internal Hiraab affairs

MJ Mucarad waye dhamaantood, they are getting dismantled in Puntland due to Dexit(Darood exit)

OG Mucarad is being defeated with the gun because they came by the gun.



Everyone else is Muxafid !!!


This is how I see things unfolding

N&N will win next election by landslide, Galmudug will be realized, Jubaland administration in waiting will take control of Buaale and call for legitimate election in Buaale, Puntland will collapse into multiple factions fighting for control, elections will be held in Hiirshabelle, any many more goods things, in no particular order.

firstly murursade have invested in Farmaajo since 2009. one well known educted murursade politician knew him since 2003. you mxs act like you have fadli on Kheyre when its the opposite if he was not marry to their woman he would never become a pm or politician. farmaajo has asked a deceased murursade guy who was close relative of Zaynab macalin to find for him safiir job at sh shariif bc sharif lived in the abdi doors house back when he was studying in sh suufi school. sharifs family r from mahaday and he had no family in xamar was was adopted by abdi door. abdi door told farmaajo why not ask him bigger position start from pm and then minister and lastly safiir!

when sh sharif arrived xamar he was suufi. his father was big suufi makes aala bari all the time and this why shariif has a an ala bari chatacter he is open to every one very generous. in Xamar he joined ala sheekh through abdi door. the sheikh was hawadle but his followers were mainly murursade bc he used to breach in two mosques one was in hamarwayne alot of cadcads joined him and the other in wardhiigley side of murursade. hussein macalin daljir gudoomiye was married sh mohamed mocalins daughter sharif was in his generation. when the sheikh passed away he was inherited by sh dhicisow who is murursade and when he too passed he was inherited by sh yuusuf caynte. this sheikh had big control on sh sharif and backed him picking Farmaajo over saacid "because murursade feared HG taking away sharif from them" bc the other candidate was saacid backed by sh abdulqadir a saleebaan who was cccs intetior minister and one of the guys who got rid of him to bring saacid.

ala sheekh including their hawadle wing like afyare elmi and abdi nuur sh who voted for farmaajo over saacid decided to pick a mx pm after clashing with ccc cause of the funds they became against italy funding boosaso airport and pl police. if you listen fartaag consulting who is mx worked for ccc he admits ala sh picking mx to avoid strong mj pm who funds his region.

so please stop your mx sheekooying im ikhwan and i know how who picked both farmaajo and saacid.

lastly kheyre doesnt own shit to mx and Farmaajo they both were candidates picked by fahad yasin. infact kheyre was paying for farmaajo hotel in nairobi and his guests.


im hirshabelle my level is with the FMS i protect my federal interests i dont need to came through women i will come to villa somalia through FMS. 4.5 will disappear soon. FMS will matter in the next era.

[Sagaashan]

I don’t agree with everything you said but sahal is one delusional guy. He thinks Somaliland will stay as this unrecognised state forever out of the national politics. He thinks puntland will stay as an autonomous state and not challenge for the title and that abgaal will be in villa somalia forever. Abgaal need to xadxad jowhar villada umadey ka dhexeysa.

To be honest, i think this guy was involved in something drastic that involved MX. His hate is just unmatched. There is no logic in what he says. He pretty much embraces anything that he thinks is against Farmaajo. He is in this great bubble now where every rock in Banadir is managed by Kheyre

Ninkaan ha loo duceeyo, wuxuu kaloo la soo baxay wax la yiraahdo 'sahalist' when unknown to him he is jumping from one Darood president to a Darood supremacy in Puntland, talk about jumping from the frying pan to the actual fire

[Samatalis249]

I don’t agree with everything you said but sahal is one delusional guy. He thinks Somaliland will stay as this unrecognised state forever out of the national politics. He thinks puntland will stay as an autonomous state and not challenge for the title and that abgaal will be in villa somalia forever. Abgaal need to xadxad jowhar villada umadey ka dhexeysa.

To be honest, i think this guy was involved in something drastic that involved MX. His hate is just unmatched. There is no logic in what he says. He pretty much embraces anything that he thinks is against Farmaajo. He is in this great bubble now where every rock in Banadir is managed by Kheyre

Ninkaan ha loo duceeyo, wuxuu kaloo la soo baxay wax la yiraahdo 'sahalist' when unknown to him he is jumping from one Darood president to a Darood supremacy in Puntland, talk about jumping from the frying pan to the actual fire

He got angry at me when I first started saying Cumar cabdirashid will be the next president of Somalia.

[Sagaashan]

We can hate it or like it, but at least Puntland has a master plan which it has been developing since 1998. Can someone tell me the HAG agenda since that time. They blocked Abdiqasim from taking office though they could get more money and resources through government enterprise than they will ever with Hormuud and few looted properties, that is slowly being returned to its rightful owners. They also burned down their own city to the ground and basically auctioned off anything that was sturdy or hard, sharp or long, and at the end they added anyone who walks or breathes.

Where is this great HAG agenda, AAW never talks about it. The opposition never mentions it. What does the attainment of the highest office in the land do for a single occupant over a four year span. It made individuals rich in Somali terms but nothing more. Sh. Shariif and HSM couldn't even recognize Banadir as a regional state due to fears about Puntland and Faroole. He didn't build or attract huge investments and resources to HAG cities and states.

Puntland is only successful bc of what they see on the ground.

One of the greatest mysteries happening now is that govt secured $175 million for Hobyo port. Instead of wholeheartedly embracing it and welcoming it and even lobbying to get it done, many have opposed it due to simple political miscalculations. No support from political figures or opposition parties for this monumental initiative that will ultimately make Galmudug a commercial center in Somalia, controlling and managing trade and business transactions not only in Somalia but take advantage of the gigantic Ethiopian exporting and importing business. This would've been a generational wealth that would've transformed the lives of the people and cities in Galmudug. Without much support and fanfare, the initiative is still alive but on life support.

Compare this to Garacad port. Everyone from prostitutes to the president have lobbied for this port. they raised funds and reached the pockets of everyone. they asked the gov to support it. All the IC and other agencies are aware of it. Seeing small progress for funds from big donors, they loaned equipment and started the initial building stages.

Puntland pretty much set in motion a clever way to upend the Hobyo port before it even started. No sane person would invest in a land where the people haven't started anything or has a groundswell of support from inhabitants and representatives. To the contrary, any sound investor would go to Garacad which is in full swing, albeit not well funded, than to start fresh from Hobyo port.

I use this example to show how Puntland is not only trying to win in the political theater but also in business and economics.

[Sagaashan]

To add to the port topic above, they even held Hobyo conference where they didn't mention the Hobyo port. It was basically saying you gotta pay US before you build anything here. Since the aim was to show how many people MUST be paid to start the project, every nickle and dime of the HG constituency showed up

[Sagaashan]

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[Voltage]

Waxa fiican oo dantaada ku jirto waa lagu dayda, Hiirshabelle aspiration for autonomy and follow the Puntland model is not a problem to me, I have no qualms with walaahay Hiirshabelle.

I am not saying you should care about Kenya or UAE, that is not your role as a Hiirshabelle man, I cannot force you to be a Somali nationalist, laakin waxaa la yaabay Darood dhexdiisa maxaa ku dhigay, why do you care about that ? why you always cheerleading for Kablalax and Hiiraab when you are neither

"laakin waxaa la yaabay Darood dhexdiisa maxaa ku dhigay, why do you care about that" Darod business kuma dhex jiro sxb for example i dont talk about their local JL and PL politics i talk about their federal politics an as FMS who r stakeholders. when i sise with JL against N&N simply means Nabar iyo Naxdin vs FMS but if Farmaajo goes i wont care you will see and then i support one N&N wing since they failed forming one xisbi we have to form coalition with the lesser evil. Kheyre is going to open shirka garowe if farmaajo did not go! surrender situation to FMS!

i support a power sharing based between PL mj and hawiye-led Mogadishu Govt and giving them special status. Hirshabelle dont need to be autonomy. do you know that we have power sharing in Banaadir and middle shabelle that eelaay and darods dont have how can we be autonomy? we just need to be normal federal state where Hiiraan is free with its local business and gets its share of development from the FGS and backs the federal president as his constituency.

You are mixing national politics with local politics once again.

At the regional level:
MX and Hiraab interest do not clash infact we have mutual interest in the realization of Galmudug. Do not be fooled by the theatrics of Xaaf and ASWJ, its internal Hiraab issue nothing to do with MX.
In Jubaland MX is an administration in waiting, we are not only majority in Jubaland but we are legitimate administration in waiting because of cross clan support as opposed to Madoobe who is losing supporters from his own clan.

You are Hawaadle, we have nothing to do with you saxib at the regional level

At the national level:
MX and Hiraab are at odds primarily because of Kheyre, in the national power sharing framework it was a huge insult to Hiraab to pick a Murursade over Hiraab, this is where there opposition stems from, not from regional affairs.

MX and MJ rivalry at the national level has been constant since the start of the Somali state, they wish to represent Darood in the national stage, regardless of what we do they will oppose us due to internal Darood clan rivalry like Abgaal v Habar Gidir.

Again you are Hawaadle, we have nothing to do with you at the national stage either, you are not even possible candidate for Hawiye representation in the Power sharing framework, it will always be Hiraab.

Mucarad and Muxafid
There are very few MX who are Mucarad and they have been defeated, internal MX affairs

There are some Hiraab Mucarad, they are also defeated, again internal Hiraab affairs

MJ Mucarad waye dhamaantood, they are getting dismantled in Puntland due to Dexit(Darood exit)

OG Mucarad is being defeated with the gun because they came by the gun.



Everyone else is Muxafid !!!


This is how I see things unfolding

N&N will win next election by landslide, Galmudug will be realized, Jubaland administration in waiting will take control of Buaale and call for legitimate election in Buaale, Puntland will collapse into multiple factions fighting for control, elections will be held in Hiirshabelle, any many more goods things, in no particular order.

[Samatalis249]

To add to the port topic above, they even held Hobyo conference where they didn't mention the Hobyo port. It was basically saying you gotta pay US before you build anything here. Since the aim was to show how many people MUST be paid to start the project, every nickle and dime of the HG constituency showed up

Bro I did say yesterday hawiye put themselves in positions were they have to chimp out. Turubka sida lo ciyaro ma garanayaan. I did say Farmajo will build garacad if puntland bends the knee to him like he built bosaso instead of hobyo when ssdf bent the knee to barre

[Voltage]

I don’t agree with everything you said but sahal is one delusional guy. He thinks Somaliland will stay as this unrecognised state forever out of the national politics. He thinks puntland will stay as an autonomous state and not challenge for the title and that abgaal will be in villa somalia forever. Abgaal need to xadxad jowhar villada umadey ka dhexeysa.

To be honest, i think this guy was involved in something drastic that involved MX. His hate is just unmatched. There is no logic in what he says. He pretty much embraces anything that he thinks is against Farmaajo. He is in this great bubble now where every rock in Banadir is managed by Kheyre

Ninkaan ha loo duceeyo, wuxuu kaloo la soo baxay wax la yiraahdo 'sahalist' when unknown to him he is jumping from one Darood president to a Darood supremacy in Puntland, talk about jumping from the frying pan to the actual fire

No Sir, 'tis merely Smile; who calleth his person "of descending from a "diminutive branch."

There has been a complete reorientation of one's sensibilities since that day.

[Voltage]

All PL wants are funds not jagooying they said appoint garowe son Juxa for the pm post and will back Hawiye president. they want special status wich will allow them to deal with the rest of the world. i welcome this they r helping us making Xamar like SL and PL. PL i ready to accept maqamka banaadir. waagii hore waxay dhihi jirtay waxayga anaa leh waxaadana anaa kula leh hadey waxay leeyihiin waxaada adaa leh waxaygana anaa leh!

ilaahay hana dhaafiyo qaska xoogaga. Taangiyo eritrea ciidanka u soo diibtay oo Farmaajo dolow ka dajiyay taangiyadii turkiganana jubada dhexuu u raray ilaahaa naga soo gaarey thanks to all stakeholders he is finish now

Is this Sahal guy mentally ok

1) Why would he give up a "special status" to someone who is as capable as he is. For instance, Puntland doesn't have a bigger population than Hirshabelle. It doesn't have more resources. They don't produce anything that is critical or vital for the nation. To the contrary, they live off the fruits and vegetables shipped from Beledweyne. And here he concedes 'special status' to them as to elevate them above the rest, which is realy unfortunate. This is one of the reasons why Puntland is bolden and brazen. They deal with newborns like Sahal who know nothing about politics, and are, certainly unconcerned about the future. A guy who lives in a desert has taught them his superiority and he takes it to the bank.

2) He hates Farmaajo for the simple reason of eliminating Alshabaab, the real enemy that has caused many suffering and deaths, especially against Hutu civilians and politicians. He hates him for sending troops to the Gedo region where Kenya was starting to build borders within Somalia, and basically created a buffer state to protect its interests and also reset the maritime borders. The population in the border regions were also being abused and raped by KDF.

How can you deal with people like Sahal who are so naive that they give up their rights so someone else can feed them, when that someone else has less resources. I am really beginning to think Puntland has human capital which is more important than natural resources. These newborns are basically saying Puntland take what you want just give us some cash and we are good. I fear when I look at Hutu politicians, I am afraid they will be slaves in the next 50 years. Not in terms of traditional slavery with plantation and housing chores but in terms of socioeconomic status. They might be a controlled group in cities and towns, while they fight and kill each other, and they are segregated from society.

Its embarrassing to think Farmaajo is only being alienated because of historical animosity between MJ/MX, but because he is the vanguard of Hutu interests. Farmaajo has the ability to sign off on the stuff that Puntland wants and would be treated as a hero, but he knows that is not good for Hutu's and Somalia. Puntland has already robbed newborns like Sh. Shariif and HSM who got millions but basically put the country in a bad situation by allowing Puntland to write the constitution.

May I add that such "special status" did in fact exist, unilaterally and without agreement, and the person evoking it now did not appreciate it as expressed recently.

When someone posted here his shock and disgust at the Goidax Barre/Student Exam issue point of contention concerning Faroole's quip "PM Sharmarke and I signed in Gaalkacyo Puntland would receive....

...that WAS a "SPECIAL STATUS."

What else is it when IN A CIVIL WAR COUNTRY STILL CONTESTING EQUITIES----- Uncle and Nephew sign in their clan town a unilateral, grossly disproportionate division of SOMALIA'S meager aid resources in a manner resembling dividing the spoils of war booty?

That was an actual outcome of a "Special Status."

[EnlightenedNomad]

OP is obsessed with beesha, how many threads has he created concerning PL over the past week? SubhanAllah