Daud Abadir(MX) vs Mohamed Zuber(OG)

[Seedyare]

Seedyare singlehandedly tearing apart Marehan Myths

Half of Gedo and the shared Caabudwaaq district dont count as large deegaans

Marexaan are laangaab when compared to OG but still they are large clan and their huge population lies not in the loudmouthed Diini sub clan but rather other politically underrepresented sub clans such as Hawraarsame, Ree Xasan,Talxe and Celidhere. People oftentimes mention Diini in the league of big clans such as Maxamad Subeer or Maxamaud Saleebaan and that is because other Marexaan wrongly allowed that overhyped sub group to lead them in the political arena .

[dalalos101]

why are the dhaboyaco leaking in my thread, and why is this cagdheer encouraging this leaking wench when the topic has nothing to do with dhaboyaco, Daljecel isqorqor badinaa ?

Seedyare, my friend you are being extremely biased and you don't understand the etiquette of lineage, you are mixing length of lineage, size of sub clan, and you also don't understand how branching workings. Listing a bunch of branch names doesn't mean anything if they are not subclans in their own right, for example Rer Cabdulle has Rer Warfa(Madobes subclan), Malingur and Amadin who live next to the Oromo, and the smallest Cali Yusuf(Abdi Ileys subclan), the Laandheere out of the Rer Cabdulle is Rer Warfa because they are the youngest, they also constitute the biggest number among the Rer Cabdulle subclans.

You might be able to brag about irrelevant branch names under Cabdulle lineages but that doesn't mean shit, I can post 20 branch names of Rer Garad(80% don't live in Somalia) but it would be intellectually dishonest, Rer Axmad and Rer Siyad Xussen are both ilmo Xussen but these branches are two subclans because they have the numberes.

We need a real Rer Cabdulle to challenge us in this aspect, as you are simply throwing around names and making it appear Rer Cabdulle has 100 big subclans when in reality it is just about 3 big ones and one small one.

[Seedyare]

why are the dhaboyaco leaking in my thread, and why is this cagdheer encouraging this leaking wench when the topic has nothing to do with dhaboyaco, Daljecel isqorqor badinaa ?

Seedyare, my friend you are being extremely biased and you don't understand the etiquette of lineage, you are mixing length of lineage, size of sub clan, and you also don't understand how branching workings. Listing a bunch of branch names doesn't mean anything if they are not subclans in their own right, for example Rer Cabdulle has Rer Warfa(Madobes subclan), Malingur and Amadin who live next to the Oromo, and the smallest Cali Yusuf(Abdi Ileys subclan), the Laandheere out of the Rer Cabdulle is Rer Warfa because they are the youngest, they also constitute the biggest number among the Rer Cabdulle subclans.

You might be able to brag about irrelevant branch names under Cabdulle lineages but that doesn't mean shit, I can post 20 branch names of Rer Garad(80% don't live in Somalia) but it would be intellectually dishonest, Rer Axmad and Rer Siyad Xussen are both ilmo Xussen but these branches are two subclans because they have the numberes.

We need a real Rer Cabdulle to challenge us in this aspect, as you are simply throwing around names and making it appear Rer Cabdulle has 100 big subclans when in reality it is just about 3 big ones and one small one.

largest Cabdille clan is Ugaas Xirsi esp Maalingur particularly Guleed Samatar.

Amaadin is larger than Both Maalingur and Warfaa but when they team up as Ugaas Xirsi then Amaadin becomes smaller.



Cali Yuusuf is relatively large clan there are many smaller cabdille clans such as

Diini
Dudub
Ubax
Guleed Awdoon etc


Caliyuusuf branch into

Cukur Cali
Xasan Cali
Guleed Cali

and im very sure them being larger than Ree Garaad .

[Seedyare]

Maalingur dont just live with oromo but they dominate Nogob and erer while living parts of Jarar and Faafan .





23.Ugaas Samatar Xirsi(Bah Cawdaaq)


24.Bubaal Samatar
24.Wacays Samatar
24.Dalal Samatar (Bah Majeerteen)
24.Faarax Samatar (Bah Majeerteen)
24.Xandun Samatar (Bihni Garaad )
24.Shirwac Samatar (Bihni Garaad )
24.Xirsi-Injrif Samatar (Bihni Garaad )


25.Wacays Xirsi-Injiriif
25.Guleed Xirsi-Injiriif
25.Shirwac Xirsi-Injiriif
25.Magan Xirsi-Injiriif
25.Kooshin Xirsi-Injiriif

26.Shire Kooshin
26.Magan Kooshin
26.Warfaa Kooshin

25.Samatar Xirsi-Injiriif

26.Wacays Samatar (Bah Yaasuf)
26.Guleed Samatar (Bah Yuusuf )
26.Duulle Samatar ( Bah Yaasuf)
26.Diini Samatar (Baha Cumar)
26.Sharmarke Samatar (Baha Cumar )
26.Dalal Samatar (Baha Cumar )
26.Cali Samatar (Baha Cumar)
26.Nuur Samatar (Baha Cumar )
26.Warfaa Samatar (Bana Cabdalle)
26.Dhallin Samatar (Bana Cabdalle)
26.Diini Samatar (Bana Cabdalle )
26.Axmad Samatar (Bana Cabdalle)

24.Cilmi Samatar (Bah Abraahin)
24.Boon Samatar (Bah Abraahin)

25.Maxamad Boon
25.Wacays Boon
25.Cali Boon
25.Xirsi Boon
25.Iimaan Boon
25.Xuseen Boon
25.Axmad Boon
25.Magan Boon
25.Cumar Boon

24.Nuur Samatar (Bah Cabdalle )
24.Magan Samatar (Bah Cabdalle)
24.Guleed Samatar (Bah Cabdalle)


25.Duco Guleed (Bah Gaalaad)
25.Khalaf guleed (Bah Gaalaad)
25.Iimaan guleed (Bah Gaalaad)
25.Wacays Guuleed(Bah Gaalaad)
25.Xandun Guleed (Bah Mandaluug)
25.Shirwac Guleed (Bah Mandaluug)
25.Dalal Guleed (Bah Laagmadoobe)
25.Warfaa Guleed (Bah Laagmadoobe)
25.Faarax Guleed (Bah Laagmadoobe)
25.Smaatar Guleed (Bah Laagmadoobe )

[dalalos101]

Ugaas Diini had a longer line of lineage than Guleed Magan even though they were contemporaries as he married his daughter in the early 1800s, Thats a win for me surely ! I count 7 to Ugaas Diini i don't know how many names the descendants of Guleed Magan count to him, the discrepancy has probably increased in my favour, another win ! Guleed Magan, nobody has heard of them, heck the entire Rer Isaaq is not well known, thats probably because you aren't that many, and Ugaas Diini today outnumber you even though we are not isku fac, I think I take my W there saxib.

Guleed Allamagan and Faarax Guleed were contemporaries .Diini is comparable to Dalal Guleed ,FiqiCigaal Guleed ,Wacays Guleed,Hedi Guleed,Xandun Guleed,Dhallin Guleed ,Warfaa Guleed .


Jiisow Fiqi Cigaal and Dalal Diini were contemporaries abtirsi wise.Below is my abtirsi to Jiisow


11.Guleed
10.Fiqi Cigaal
9.Jiisow
8.Cumar
7.Warfaa
6.Cismaan
5.Maxamad
4.
3.
2.
1.Seed

No ! Guleed Allamagan and Farah Guleed were not contemporaries, contemporaries are two individuals who lived in the same time and were relatively peers age wise, we know Ugaas Diini snatched a daughter of Guleed Allamagan, so it would mean he would be relative peers with the daughter of Guleed Allamagan age wise, you misunderstood me It was a time stamp for the founders of two subclans, to give us rough estimate of clan comparability

Length of lineage is used to determine clan comparability and we get this through Abtiris Top Down not Bottom Up. When two clans fight who are not peers in length of lineage, it is the abtirsi we go back to see how gurmad can be requested by extended clan networks.

Anyway enough of the lesson, this is your clan Guleed Alamagan compared to Diini Ugaas

You count 9 to Jiisow
1. Jisow
2. Fiqi Igaal
3. Guuleed "Alamagan"
4. Mahamed
5. Muumin
6. Ali
7. Ahmedfaa
8. Mahaadaar
9. Isaaq
10. Mahamed
11. Subeer
12. Baahale
13. Muuse
14. Yuusuf
15. Kaante
16. Kolobkaan
17. Miyirwalaal
18. Barwaaq
19. Tagaalwaaq
20. Ogaadeen "Abdirahmaan"
21. Absame
22. Kuumade "Abdi"
23. Kablalah "Mahamed"
24. Daarood "Abdirahmaan"
25. Jaberti "Ismaiil"

I count 8 to Dalal
1. Dalaal
2. Ugaas Diini
3. Ugaas Faarah
4. Ugaas Guleed
5. Ugaas Sharmaarke
6. Qalaf
7. Huseen
8. Yuusuf
9. Mataan
10. Iise
11. Ahmed
12. Boqor Mahamed
13. Da'uud
14. Abadir
15. Muuse
16. Mahamed
17. Warwaajele
18. Raadimiir
19. Amaanreer
20. Isaaq
21. Galshiredle
22. Hodenbari
23. Baalyiri
24. Awsame
25. Mareehaan "Mahamed"
26. Sade "Ahmed"
27. Daarood "Abdirahmaan"
28. Jaberti "Ismaiil"


Dalalos 8 + 28 = 36 names
Seedyare 9+25 = 34 names
the disprecancy here is 2 names, so I have the longer lineage Laan dheere baan ahay

On a subclan level
Ugaas Diini has 27 Names
Guleed Allamagan has 23 Names
the disprecancy here is 4 names, which means Reer Diini Subclan is more laandheere than the Guleed Allamagan subclan.


If Ugaas Diini subclan had a war with Guleed Allamagan subclan, it would not request support from Rer Axmad subclan, do you get it, we would request subclan support from the subclans 4 generations up, eliminate the disprecancy, that is only the case when a clan needs gurmad, not the case if it can handle its business.

[dalalos101]

why are the dhaboyaco leaking in my thread, and why is this cagdheer encouraging this leaking wench when the topic has nothing to do with dhaboyaco, Daljecel isqorqor badinaa ?

Seedyare, my friend you are being extremely biased and you don't understand the etiquette of lineage, you are mixing length of lineage, size of sub clan, and you also don't understand how branching workings. Listing a bunch of branch names doesn't mean anything if they are not subclans in their own right, for example Rer Cabdulle has Rer Warfa(Madobes subclan), Malingur and Amadin who live next to the Oromo, and the smallest Cali Yusuf(Abdi Ileys subclan), the Laandheere out of the Rer Cabdulle is Rer Warfa because they are the youngest, they also constitute the biggest number among the Rer Cabdulle subclans.

You might be able to brag about irrelevant branch names under Cabdulle lineages but that doesn't mean shit, I can post 20 branch names of Rer Garad(80% don't live in Somalia) but it would be intellectually dishonest, Rer Axmad and Rer Siyad Xussen are both ilmo Xussen but these branches are two subclans because they have the numberes.

We need a real Rer Cabdulle to challenge us in this aspect, as you are simply throwing around names and making it appear Rer Cabdulle has 100 big subclans when in reality it is just about 3 big ones and one small one.

largest Cabdille clan is Ugaas Xirsi esp Maalingur particularly Guleed Samatar.

Amaadin is larger than Both Maalingur and Warfaa but when they team up as Ugaas Xirsi then Amaadin becomes smaller.



Cali Yuusuf is relatively large clan there are many smaller cabdille clans such as

Diini
Dudub
Ubax
Guleed Awdoon etc


Caliyuusuf branch into

Cukur Cali
Xasan Cali
Guleed Cali

and im very sure them being larger than Ree Garaad .

You basically agreed with me and once again mix clan with names in lineages, Ugaas Xirsi is not a clan but a name in the lineage, they branch out, when was the last time you heard the Ugaas Xirsi banner being called, Rer Cabdulle are the 3 big ones Malingur, Warfa, Amadin and the small one Cali Yusuf.

You don't know Rer Garad if you think they are same size as Cali Yusuf , they live in Oromia Babile, DDSI and Somalia. You probably think Rer Garad exist in Somalia and thats it, lmao, what they are mostly in Oromia and DDSI, they just focused on their land in Oromia.

There is a huge Mareexaan population in DDSI and Oromia equal in land and population to the Mareexaan in Somalia. Ethiopia 500 years ago used to be our play ground.

[dalalos101]

and Ugaas Diini today outnumber you even though we are not isku fac, I think I take my W there saxib.

This is perhaps the dumbest thing i have heard from you .A section of Gulled Allamagan dwarfs Ree Diini.







As an abtirsi and qoora tiris expert ,let me give you a fair male population estimates of Bah Dhulbaante (largest section of Guleed Allamagan)and ree Diini .


Ree Diini can be grouped as three Bah .Two large bah and a medium-sized one .

Bah Xawaadle (Ree Ugaas ,Ree Siyaad ,Ree Warsame) .According to my ilkayar informants Ree Diini qoora tiris looks like this .

Ree Ugaas 15k
Ree Siyaad 10kun
Ree Warsame 6kun

Bah Xawaadle 31kun

Bah Ogaadeen (Dalal,Xirsi,Guleed)

Ree Dalal 18kun
Ree Xirsi +Maxamud guleed 6kun

BAH OGAADEEN 25Kun



Bah Dalandoole Are relatively small 12K

Kooshin 6kun
Nuur 4.5kun
Others less than 1kun


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Qoora tirsi of Bah Dhulbaante

Wacays Guleed 21kun
-Ree Faarax 10.5kun
-Ree Samakab 4kun
-Cumar Wacays 2.5 kun
-Geesaleey 4kun


Ree Jiiisow Fiqi Cigaal 20kun

Cumar Jiisow 10kun
Jiisowga kale 10kun


Fiqi Cigaalada kale 27kun

Ree Magan 8.5kun
Ree Colow 6.5kun
Ree Cali Fiqi Cigaal 3.5kun
Ree Cabdi Rooble 1.5kun
Ree Wacays Fiqi Cigaal 6.1kun
Ree Midab 0.5k
Ree Xirsi Jugax 0.4



total qoora tirsi of Bah Dhulbaante is 68k
Qoora tirsi of Ree Diini is 68k

Neither of us can provide proofs of headcount saxib so just leave that alone

What intelligentsia does Guleed Alamagan have, this should be easy for you to prove.

[Voltage]

I am starting to realize I know Isaaq sub-clans more than Ogaadeen.

I know the relevant ones to us like habar Celi (Muqaabul), reer Afgaab (Awlyahan), Abdalla (Talamuga),

It seem outside of Dhagaxbuur, Mohamed Zubeer is really unimportant wallahi. Habar Celi neighbor Darod in Warder, Awlyahan in upper Jubba, and Abdalle southwest of Diif.

The few Mohamed Zubeer in Afmadoow would have already lost the wells there to Talxe and reer Garaad if jt it wasn't for Awlyahan.

Anagu Maalinguur iyo reer Amaadin noo kala bixiyey names without any relevance south of Dhagaxbuur

Also, Adali, Seed = Eaglehawk/Typhoon = Wardheernews owner = Guhaad. Everytime I think odeyga hayska baashaalo jambal caato buu iga dabo tuuraa so waa inaan kulaaliyo

[Caytame]

isn't marehan himself like the great grand uncle of ogaden?

anyways MZ of ogaden live in qoraxay, dhagaxbuur, nogob in the galbeed, and most of lower juba and parts of middle juba while reer diini live in cabudwaaq and parts of garboharay.
where's the comparison?

man for man, reer warfaa alone would overran reer diini
and reer cabdulle alone would overran marehan

fact!

why would else would marehan constantly get chased around by less than 15% of ogaden while at least 80% of all marehan live in Gedo?

[Seedyare]

and Ugaas Diini today outnumber you even though we are not isku fac, I think I take my W there saxib.

This is perhaps the dumbest thing i have heard from you .A section of Gulled Allamagan dwarfs Ree Diini.







As an abtirsi and qoora tiris expert ,let me give you a fair male population estimates of Bah Dhulbaante (largest section of Guleed Allamagan)and ree Diini .


Ree Diini can be grouped as three Bah .Two large bah and a medium-sized one .

Bah Xawaadle (Ree Ugaas ,Ree Siyaad ,Ree Warsame) .According to my ilkayar informants Ree Diini qoora tiris looks like this .

Ree Ugaas 15k
Ree Siyaad 10kun
Ree Warsame 6kun

Bah Xawaadle 31kun

Bah Ogaadeen (Dalal,Xirsi,Guleed)

Ree Dalal 18kun
Ree Xirsi +Maxamud guleed 6kun

BAH OGAADEEN 25Kun



Bah Dalandoole Are relatively small 12K

Kooshin 6kun
Nuur 4.5kun
Others less than 1kun


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Qoora tirsi of Bah Dhulbaante

Wacays Guleed 21kun
-Ree Faarax 10.5kun
-Ree Samakab 4kun
-Cumar Wacays 2.5 kun
-Geesaleey 4kun


Ree Jiiisow Fiqi Cigaal 20kun

Cumar Jiisow 10kun
Jiisowga kale 10kun


Fiqi Cigaalada kale 27kun

Ree Magan 8.5kun
Ree Colow 6.5kun
Ree Cali Fiqi Cigaal 3.5kun
Ree Cabdi Rooble 1.5kun
Ree Wacays Fiqi Cigaal 6.1kun
Ree Midab 0.5k
Ree Xirsi Jugax 0.4



total qoora tirsi of Bah Dhulbaante is 68k
Qoora tirsi of Ree Diini is 68k

Neither of us can provide proofs of headcount saxib so just leave that alone

What intelligentsia does Guleed Alamagan have, this should be easy for you to prove.

Not actual headcount but a fair qoora tiris comparison .

As for the intellectuals both Guleed Allamagan and Ree Diini boost a number of top class experts and it will not be a big surprise if ree diini edges us in this department given the 22 years of Diini's BOOLI QARAN government .

[Seedyare]

I am starting to realize I know Isaaq sub-clans more than Ogaadeen.

I know the relevant ones to us like habar Celi (Muqaabul), reer Afgaab (Awlyahan), Abdalla (Talamuga),

It seem outside of Dhagaxbuur, Mohamed Zubeer is really unimportant wallahi. Habar Celi neighbor Darod in Warder, Awlyahan in upper Jubba, and Abdalle southwest of Diif.

The few Mohamed Zubeer in Afmadoow would have already lost the wells there to Talxe and reer Garaad if jt it wasn't for Awlyahan.

Anagu Maalinguur iyo reer Amaadin noo kala bixiyey names without any relevance south of Dhagaxbuur

Also, Adali, Seed = Eaglehawk/Typhoon = Wardheernews owner = Guhaad. Everytime I think odeyga hayska baashaalo jambal caato buu iga dabo tuuraa so waa inaan kulaaliyo

Sorry for the late reply .I stayed in Kismayo for a long while .There I could not access Somalinet .


I do always acknowledge you English writing skills but sadly though,you always look weak and easy target in Somnet debates .Be it against the infamous Bendover or the propagandist Hutu,Sahal.You dont seem to excel any department discussed here in somnet .Here are you scores.

Poltical comments .below average.
Hiitorical accounts..well below average
Tribal knowledge and intricacies ...very poor


As an established Somali qabiil expert, allow me to school you about the Ogaden clans .First off, all Ogaden clans are equally important and their general clan structure is;

Maqaabul
Mir Walaal

All Ogaden clans belong to one the above two groups except Cumar Tagaalwaaq


Maqaabul sub divides into Ree Sacad and Makaahiil .Ree Sacad principally live in Qubbi distirct in Nogob region .Makaahiil live in Doollo and Dooh .Makaahiil being the larger of the maqaabul tribes divides into:

Bah Shariifo (Abraahiin &Habar Samatalis)
Habar Celi (Gumacadle & Gacanwayne)

Gumacadle further sub divides into

Ismaaciil Gumacdle
Muuse Gumacdle
Maxamad Gumacdle


Maqaabul also have a significant presence in the South .They live in Badhaadhe and Wajir South .


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Mir Walaal divides into Baahale and TalaMuge .there are also smaller groups within the mirwalaal such as

Camar Yuusuf
Habar Racad
Qaal
MaLooge


Talamuge divides into two large groups ,Samawadal and
Siinwaaq .Samawadal include Cabdalle ,Ree Maxamad and smaller clans ;Gaye ,Geelxiis and Ashantalis.

SiinWaaq are the Caabudwaaqs that dominate Ogaden politics in Kenya .


Baahale Siciid are by a large margin the largest Ogaden group .Baahale had 9 sons

Subeer & Cawl ( Bah Tanaade)

Ciise,Jibraaiil,Saleebaan and Xamar (Bah Geri)

Cali Jideed,Weged ,Calibaluul (Bah ???)



Maxamad Subeer and Cawlayahan are the two undisputed laandhere branches among the Ogaden .
Cabdille alone divides into more than fifty branches and one of those can easily outnumber Farax Ugaas of the Marexaan .



(REE UGAAS XIRSI)

1.Ree Warfaa

2.Maalinguur

3.Ree Ugaas Kooshin

4.Ree Faarax Xirsi

5.Ree Sharmaarke Cagadhiig





(REE AMAADIN)

6.Ree Jeeraar

7.Ree Caraale

8.Balwiye

9.Ree Dalal

10.Ree Wacays

11.Ree Geedi





(REE CAAMIR)

12.Ree Jibriil

13.Ree Faarax

14.Ree Allamagan

15.Ree Xuseen

16.Ree Wacays



(UGAAS NUUR)

17.Bah Sheekhaash

18.Bah Laagmadoobe

19.Bah Gaalaad

20.Ree Samatar

21.Ree Cigaal

22.Ree Sharmarke




(UGAAS GUULEED)

23.Ree Xandun

24.Ree Shirwac

25.Ree Samatar

26.Ree Baxar




(AADAN KHAYR )

27.Ree Samatar.

28.Ree Axmad

29.Ree Cumar

30.Ree Cali



(CALI NASSAR )

31.Ree Boorre

32.Ree Bulbul

33.Ree Dhaaweed


(GULEED KHALAF)

34.Ree Shirwac

35.Ree Jaamac

36.Warfaa Dhaaweed

37.Ree Caafi



(SAMATAR KHALAF)

38.Ree Cilmi

39.Allamagan Saarreey


(CALIWANAAG)

51.Ree Maxamuud

52.Ree Raage

53.Ree Qayliye

54.Xasan Geri




(40.Ree Muuse )

(41.Ree Dudub)

(42.Ree Caliyuusuf)

(43.Ree Cammaar)

(44.Ree Ugax)

(45.Ree Higis)

(46.Shirshoore)

(47.Faarax Booli)

(48.Faarax Nuur)

(49.Guleed Awdoon)

(50.Ree Diini)