The injustice within Farah Ugaas

[Osob101]

Voltage

I know what the Bah or Habar is referring to but there is no clans or sub clan with such names within Mudulood. Heck even Daud and Kabaale of Wacbudhan who share a mother and which was Biimaal are not known as such. Maybe cultural differences or traditions I guess.

Again Darandoole is only brought up when one is referring to the questions of who are the clans of Mudulood. Also Bah Darandoole would be confusing because that would mean there is a chance of two as Darandoole themselves are two and this the reason why I asked the question first and confused. It would have made sense if they were called Bah Abgaal as the mother was supposedly one. Now when you say Bah Darandoole, one has two assumptions. Ps just ignore me, if am not making sense LOL.

[dalalos101]

It is a great topic on important subject unfortunately from the wrong person, a sub-clannist. There is no reason that bah-Ogadeen should have a senate and mp, the mp should go to another group within "Waaxda Bah-Ogaadeen" like Habar Ciise.

Bah-Daarandoole seems to have the most fair distribution within reer Diini and I think it is their business how they choose to share it.

As for my bah-Xawaadle, the biggest culprits unfortunately whom are correctly pointed out by Dalalos in this case.

1. There should be 0 and I mean 0 justification why they have 2 mps and a senate seat.
2. Even if Fartaag stole the senate seat in Kismaayo, then reer Ugaas Shermaarke and MP Magan should have vacated his seat for reer Garaad.
3. There should be no reason for my reer Siyaad to collect first among bah-Xawaadle in Gedo and share with reer Warsame in Galmudug.
4. Reer Warsame should be the ONLY representation of bah-Xawaadle in Galmudug.
5. Rer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke should share ONE mp from Gedo. If one has national mp seat then the other should be the Jubbaland State main rep for bah-Xawaadle

Harsh but truthful is always better than soft and deceitful, this is the main difference between us.

Farah Ugaas injustice is the subject of this topic and it won't be fixed by lying to each other and creating strawman arguments("ohh what about Habar Ciise") outside of the premise of the discussion, its like you are incapable of having genuine discussion, you even calling me a sub-clannist out of the blue, where is your evidence.

I pointed out Ugaas Sharmaake in particular not because they have an MP and a Senator at the same time, fun fact they use to hold to MPs prior to senators being added, anyway although over representation is one thing that I take issue with especially at the cost of others. What I am actually saying is something far more important, we should separate traditional head from politics, no Ugaas Sharmaake should be getting these seats, they should stick to their role as traditional heads end off, basically a model that already exist in Galmudug and should be exported to Jubaland, they should make Rer Warsame and Rer Siyaad their political representatives in Jubaland and Galmudug and focus on unity of Beesha, not politics. Even if we had a 100 seats Rer Ugaas Sharmaake should not hold it as long as they are traditional heads of MX.


As for Rer Siyaad and Rer Koshin, they should follow the example of Rer Dalal and actually rotate and share the seat with the other Rer Diini and not monopolize the seat as they have done for more than 2 decades post 91.

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Injustice within Farax ugaas my behind. Reer koshin should get everything the rest should know their place. Farax Ugaas is synonymous with Koshin Fagax. Waliginba baqleya

Rer Koshin greedy socialist mofos

Reer koshin got six xildhibans in galnus..and they all from Europe oops I mean the kangaroo land....they all look like retired foot players.. koshin jug weyne stereotype makes since smh.

Socialism ftw

[Voltage]

It is a great topic on important subject unfortunately from the wrong person, a sub-clannist. There is no reason that bah-Ogadeen should have a senate and mp, the mp should go to another group within "Waaxda Bah-Ogaadeen" like Habar Ciise.

Bah-Daarandoole seems to have the most fair distribution within reer Diini and I think it is their business how they choose to share it.

As for my bah-Xawaadle, the biggest culprits unfortunately whom are correctly pointed out by Dalalos in this case.

1. There should be 0 and I mean 0 justification why they have 2 mps and a senate seat.
2. Even if Fartaag stole the senate seat in Kismaayo, then reer Ugaas Shermaarke and MP Magan should have vacated his seat for reer Garaad.
3. There should be no reason for my reer Siyaad to collect first among bah-Xawaadle in Gedo and share with reer Warsame in Galmudug.
4. Reer Warsame should be the ONLY representation of bah-Xawaadle in Galmudug.
5. Rer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke should share ONE mp from Gedo. If one has national mp seat then the other should be the Jubbaland State main rep for bah-Xawaadle

Harsh but truthful is always better than soft and deceitful, this is the main difference between us.

Farah Ugaas injustice is the subject of this topic and it won't be fixed by lying to each other and creating strawman arguments("ohh what about Habar Ciise") outside of the premise of the discussion, its like you are incapable of having genuine discussion, you even calling me a sub-clannist out of the blue, where is your evidence.

I pointed out Ugaas Sharmaake in particular not because they have an MP and a Senator at the same time, fun fact they use to hold to MPs prior to senators being added, anyway although over representation is one thing that I take issue with especially at the cost of others. What I am actually saying is something far more important, we should separate traditional head from politics, no Ugaas Sharmaake should be getting these seats, they should stick to their role as traditional heads end off, basically a model that already exist in Galmudug and should be exported to Jubaland, they should make Rer Warsame and Rer Siyaad their political representatives in Jubaland and Galmudug and focus on unity of Beesha, not politics. Even if we had a 100 seats Rer Ugaas Sharmaake should not hold it as long as they are traditional heads of MX.


As for Rer Siyaad and Rer Koshin, they should follow the example of Rer Dalal and actually rotate and share the seat with the other Rer Diini and not monopolize the seat as they have done for more than 2 decades post 91.

1. You are fake. You are the biggest sub-clannist in this section. Just look at what you DON'T say in this topic (and compare that to me).

2. You have NEVER given a single critical statement about your sub-clan. You ALWAYS are the first to criticize other sub-clans. Yet in this very topic, I literally have done something YOU could never be capable of which is to criticize my own sub-clan.

3. Almost always I reserve my harshest criticism for my group while employing strong sensitivity towards others. You are not even the opposite. You are non-existent.You NEVER give a single critique no matter how small to your group while fawning at the mouth in your hurry to attack other sub-clans

4. Bah Ogaadeen have the Presidency of Somalia right now. Waliba reer Dalal.

5. Bah-Ogaadeen took the Senator for Marehan Galmudug. In fact, once AGAIN reer Dalal took it in Goonjeex.

6. Bah Ogaadeen consistently take Governor of Caabudwaaq district. Always reer Dalal again.

7. Then because you gave another Bah-Ogaadeen the MP, you think you have the nerve to talk as if you are in a position to give MORAL JUDGEMENT?

8. Where the fock are Hawlrastsaarsame and Habar Ciise who have been lumped in with WAAXDA Bah-Ogaadeen. If Hawlraarsame are always represented through Gedo, then if a blood Bah-Ogaadeen took Senator, the focking MP should go to Habar Ciise---the non-blood brother in the Waax who is also not represented anywhere else.

9. In some weird way, bah-Xawaadle actually displays more cadaalad on this because the unwritten rule is because bah-Xawaadle is always represented through Gedo, they cannot contest bah-Daarandoole's right to own the seat for WAAXDA BAH-HAWIYE.

10. But how the hell can you even think about Habar Ciise when the most arguably stepped over clan in reer Faarax Ugaas is REER XIRSI, your own little brother you completely leave high and dry.

11. AT LEAST, reer Warsame can say the situation with the expansion of reer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke (Garbahaaray and Baardheere) can contextualize the bah-Xawaadle dividends.

12. Reer Xirsi frigging LIVE WITH YOU and they are not even a small clan. Yet you completely arm strong them at every turn to totally monopolize everything in Bah Ogaadeen's name

13. As for reer Ugaas Shermaarke...first of all y!'all killed Ugaas Siraaji lest you forget (you know. the current Ugaas's FATHER) so I would speak with a little bit more humility if I were you.

Secondly reer Ugaas Shermaarke have been blessed with numbers and weight by the almighty. They are also the Marehan power in Baardheere, a town more important than Caabudwaaq let's be honest and they are a huge component of the Marehan force on the Jubba Vallet.

The Ugaas just HAPPENS to be from them. The Ugaas has no bearing on what they are worth as a clan----without him they would still have the numbers, weight, and legacy to cut themselves a big chunk.

14. So really dude, it is you who needs to stop being fake and throwing around pointless meanderings derived from petty grievances.

Either you come to the table completely honest or don't waste our time with fake sideshows.

You are one of the biggest culprits in reer Faarax Ugaas.

[dalalos101]

It is a great topic on important subject unfortunately from the wrong person, a sub-clannist. There is no reason that bah-Ogadeen should have a senate and mp, the mp should go to another group within "Waaxda Bah-Ogaadeen" like Habar Ciise.

Bah-Daarandoole seems to have the most fair distribution within reer Diini and I think it is their business how they choose to share it.

As for my bah-Xawaadle, the biggest culprits unfortunately whom are correctly pointed out by Dalalos in this case.

1. There should be 0 and I mean 0 justification why they have 2 mps and a senate seat.
2. Even if Fartaag stole the senate seat in Kismaayo, then reer Ugaas Shermaarke and MP Magan should have vacated his seat for reer Garaad.
3. There should be no reason for my reer Siyaad to collect first among bah-Xawaadle in Gedo and share with reer Warsame in Galmudug.
4. Reer Warsame should be the ONLY representation of bah-Xawaadle in Galmudug.
5. Rer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke should share ONE mp from Gedo. If one has national mp seat then the other should be the Jubbaland State main rep for bah-Xawaadle

Harsh but truthful is always better than soft and deceitful, this is the main difference between us.

Farah Ugaas injustice is the subject of this topic and it won't be fixed by lying to each other and creating strawman arguments("ohh what about Habar Ciise") outside of the premise of the discussion, its like you are incapable of having genuine discussion, you even calling me a sub-clannist out of the blue, where is your evidence.

I pointed out Ugaas Sharmaake in particular not because they have an MP and a Senator at the same time, fun fact they use to hold to MPs prior to senators being added, anyway although over representation is one thing that I take issue with especially at the cost of others. What I am actually saying is something far more important, we should separate traditional head from politics, no Ugaas Sharmaake should be getting these seats, they should stick to their role as traditional heads end off, basically a model that already exist in Galmudug and should be exported to Jubaland, they should make Rer Warsame and Rer Siyaad their political representatives in Jubaland and Galmudug and focus on unity of Beesha, not politics. Even if we had a 100 seats Rer Ugaas Sharmaake should not hold it as long as they are traditional heads of MX.


As for Rer Siyaad and Rer Koshin, they should follow the example of Rer Dalal and actually rotate and share the seat with the other Rer Diini and not monopolize the seat as they have done for more than 2 decades post 91.

1. You are fake. You are the biggest sub-clannist in this section. Just look at what you DON'T say in this topic (and compare that to me).

2. You have NEVER given a single critical statement about your sub-clan. You ALWAYS are the first to criticize other sub-clans. Yet in this very topic, I literally have done something YOU could never be capable of which is to criticize my own sub-clan.

3. Almost always I reserve my harshest criticism for my group while employing strong sensitivity towards others. You are not even the opposite. You are non-existent.You NEVER give a single critique no matter how small to your group while fawning at the mouth in your hurry to attack other sub-clans

4. Bah Ogaadeen have the Presidency of Somalia right now. Waliba reer Dalal.

5. Bah-Ogaadeen took the Senator for Marehan Galmudug. In fact, once AGAIN reer Dalal took it in Goonjeex.

6. Bah Ogaadeen consistently take Governor of Caabudwaaq district. Always reer Dalal again.

7. Then because you gave another Bah-Ogaadeen the MP, you think you have the nerve to talk as if you are in a position to give MORAL JUDGEMENT?

8. Where the fock are Hawlrastsaarsame and Habar Ciise who have been lumped in with WAAXDA Bah-Ogaadeen. If Hawlraarsame are always represented through Gedo, then if a blood Bah-Ogaadeen took Senator, the focking MP should go to Habar Ciise---the non-blood brother in the Waax who is also not represented anywhere else.

9. In some weird way, bah-Xawaadle actually displays more cadaalad on this because the unwritten rule is because bah-Xawaadle is always represented through Gedo, they cannot contest bah-Daarandoole's right to own the seat for WAAXDA BAH-HAWIYE.

10. But how the hell can you even think about Habar Ciise when the most arguably stepped over clan in reer Faarax Ugaas is REER XIRSI, your own little brother you completely leave high and dry.

11. AT LEAST, reer Warsame can say the situation with the expansion of reer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke (Garbahaaray and Baardheere) can contextualize the bah-Xawaadle dividends.

12. Reer Xirsi frigging LIVE WITH YOU and they are not even a small clan. Yet you completely arm strong them at every turn to totally monopolize everything in Bah Ogaadeen's name

13. As for reer Ugaas Shermaarke...first of all y!'all killed Ugaas Siraaji lest you forget (you know. the current Ugaas's FATHER) so I would speak with a little bit more humility if I were you.

Secondly reer Ugaas Shermaarke have been blessed with numbers and weight by the almighty. They are also the Marehan power in Baardheere, a town more important than Caabudwaaq let's be honest and they are a huge component of the Marehan force on the Jubba Vallet.

The Ugaas just HAPPENS to be from them. The Ugaas has no bearing on what they are worth as a clan----without him they would still have the numbers, weight, and legacy to cut themselves a big chunk.

14. So really dude, it is you who needs to stop being fake and throwing around pointless meanderings derived from petty grievances.

Either you come to the table completely honest or don't waste our time with fake sideshows.

You are one of the biggest culprits in reer Faarax Ugaas.

Bah Ogaden consist of 3 principle rers of Ugas Diini, that is Rer Xirsi, Rer Maxamud gulled and Rer Dalal, all have held MP positions because we rotate and unlike the gun who monopolize everything, we also shared different official position within the last 5 governments since Abdiqasim 2000 which I can name 1by1 if need be, you pointed out Rer Xirsi and said they didn't get anything and were strong armed by Rer Dalal. this is complete and utter lie and you are known to lie and use deceit to win argument and push false narratives. But in this case your lie and the way you worded it actually reveals your cuqdad for Rer Dalal.
This is Cabdullahi Qorax former MP and Jubaland presidential candidate, he is Rer Xirsi



My point was clear, since Abdiqasim 2000 that is two decades ago, Rer Nur, Rer Warfa, Rer Shirwac, Rer Warsame have not held a single MP position or any relevant government position within five consecutive governments, because you have blocked them and monopolized those positions, and you voltage are defending the indefensible here, you are clearly a subclannist and refuse to admit Rer Siyad are part of the problem not the solution !


Farmaajo started giving them position in the government, latest of which is the Mohamed Carabeey who is Rer Warsame, but as far as representative seats NOTHING, I have to point out the gunimo what it is so glaringly obvious. The reason why I am doing so its because I want equity and justice within Farah Ugas, not lack of uniformity and internal rivalry to boil over.


This is also why I am talking about the Ugaship and why it shouldn't be mixed with politics, the traditional head of MX it used to be Rer Garad, it was actually rubbed from them by Farah Ugas, again not very honorable past, but it was long time ago, I am concerned with today and want makes sense, today Rer Garad hold no political position and haven't done so for the last 2 decades, we have taken the position of head of MX from them and also taken all political representation from them, this injustice. The solution is glaringly obvious.
Separation between traditional head and politics is logical you can't have your cake and eat it, either be traditional head of MX and enjoy the power and responsibility without any disturbance as its recognized and hereditary, or relinquish it and take you share in political representation, its that simple !

Finally Afar Waxod, since you keep mentioning Habar Ciise and Hawrarsame, first of all Afar Waxod which you blatantly support, does not take into account MX from Jubaland, nor does it take into account the Galti migrations and subsequent change of demographics, it is an old system that is null and void in 2020, it was created by Rer Dalal Suldaan 100 years ago, and today I am as Rer Dalal against it because it is not relevant to the present. Unfortunately subclannist like you see the benefit in it for you, because it means you get a share in Galmudug, while not sharing anything in Jubaland with the MX in Galmudug, LMAO you are legit the biggest subclannist I have seen walahi.

Conclusion, I believe for more uniformity and equity within Farah Ugas we have to address certain issues, otherwise if it boils over and we all lose, in that case I know who side I am on, I am on the side of the righteous, Rer Warsame, Rer Nur and rest of MX. But I rather we don't reach that misfortune of internal problems.
I want correction to be made, Rer Ugas Sharmake keep the traditional head of MX, step aside from politics all together, giving way for other MX like your beloved Rer Abtis Habar Ciise, Ina Nur, etc etc most importantly Rer Garad. The Kusimaha Ugas and the way Rer Ugas Sharmake are respected as traditional heads with its responsibilities, power and rewards is the model I want in Jubaland and all MX lands. The prestige and relevance of the young deputy Ugaas in Caabudwaaq outweighs the actual Ugaas, this is because the model works Rer Ugas Sharmake are completely outside of politics and focused on their important role as traditional heads in Galmudug and adjacent Doollo/Qoraxeey, until such model is adopted throughout MX lands the MX will not respect the Ugaship of Rer Ugas Sharmaake, especially Rer Garad, and I totally understand that, its disgusting what has happened.

Sum it up
1. Afar Waxod get rid of it, tbh its already nullified
2. separation between traditional head and politics
3. equitable sharing among Farah Ugas and Marehan in general

[Voltage]

1. You might be new to politics but Qorax wasn't an honest equitability in sharing MP. Goonjeex was named Deputy Prime Minister during Sh Shariif Gov and in 2012 decided to both stand for election as President and as back up enter the running for PM. Let's put things in to perspective.

2. Again, stop being fake. Either that or you are dyslexic. I mean look at how you are having a superficial conversation.

because you have blocked them and monopolized those positions, and you voltage are defending the indefensible here, you are clearly a subclannist and refuse to admit Rer Siyad are part of the problem not the solution !

As if this wasn't my first response to the topic

As for my bah-Xawaadle, the biggest culprits unfortunately whom are correctly pointed out by Dalalos in this case.

1. There should be 0 and I mean 0 justification why they have 2 mps and a senate seat.
2. Even if Fartaag stole the senate seat in Kismaayo, then reer Ugaas Shermaarke and MP Magan should have vacated his seat for reer Garaad.
3. There should be no reason for my reer Siyaad to collect first among bah-Xawaadle in Gedo and share with reer Warsame in Galmudug.
4. Reer Warsame should be the ONLY representation of bah-Xawaadle in Galmudug.
5. Rer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke should share ONE mp from Gedo. If one has national mp seat then the other should be the Jubbaland State main rep for bah-Xawaadle

Are you delusional man? What exactly are you accusing me of?

3. Afar Waxood doesn't concern me. My rep is from Garbahaaray in JUBBALAND not Galmudug.

You are like a little baby who can't seem to understand that just because you DON'T like the present system means you somehow can't describe it as it exists.

Up to the 2016 elections (THE CURRENT PARLIAMENT), Afar Waaxood was the basis/method used by Marehan Galmudug to share their seats.

When it changes, then it will no longer be relevant to ever bring it up. As of now, it is LITERALLY how power is shared.

I don't know who came up with it but I know Xaaji Xaashi was the traditional leader when it happened.

[dalalos101]

1. You might be new to politics but Qorax wasn't an honest equitability in sharing MP. Goonjeex was named Deputy Prime Minister during Sh Shariif Gov and in 2012 decided to both stand for election as President and as back up enter the running for PM. Let's put things in to perspective.

2. Again, stop being fake. Either that or you are dyslexic. I mean look at how you are having a superficial conversation.

because you have blocked them and monopolized those positions, and you voltage are defending the indefensible here, you are clearly a subclannist and refuse to admit Rer Siyad are part of the problem not the solution !

As if this wasn't my first response to the topic

As for my bah-Xawaadle, the biggest culprits unfortunately whom are correctly pointed out by Dalalos in this case.

1. There should be 0 and I mean 0 justification why they have 2 mps and a senate seat.
2. Even if Fartaag stole the senate seat in Kismaayo, then reer Ugaas Shermaarke and MP Magan should have vacated his seat for reer Garaad.
3. There should be no reason for my reer Siyaad to collect first among bah-Xawaadle in Gedo and share with reer Warsame in Galmudug.
4. Reer Warsame should be the ONLY representation of bah-Xawaadle in Galmudug.
5. Rer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke should share ONE mp from Gedo. If one has national mp seat then the other should be the Jubbaland State main rep for bah-Xawaadle

Are you delusional man? What exactly are you accusing me of?

You lied and said Rer Xirsi have been sidelined by Rer Dalal I disproved it because it is relevant to the discussion, you also said Rer Dalal killed the Ugas out of sheer frustration with my points you said that, I just ignored that as its an irrelevant and very inappropriate again false point made by a man in total free fall, you clearly have contention with my argument regardless of your initial post which you are now running back to, otherwise you would not make flawed counter arguments easily debunked, or resort to a whole barrage ad hominems, fake, dyslexic, delusional etc and just generally be very reactionary in this thread.

You don't actually know the general sentiment of MX, and people like you will drive a wedge between MX, and have already done so, hence this topic is about removing that wedge and discussing how we can improve foster trust and uniformity among beesha.

FYI Rer Xirsi is not little brother but older brother the oldest brother in Bah Ogaden infact, even basic knowledge like that you lack and you want to talk about people you don't know at all

[Voltage]

I said you are being fake, because it doesn't seem like you are speaking to me. You just seem to be speaking through me and it seems like it is for show. Are you speaking to the audience? Some other forum member? I don't know, but the entirety of your convo to me is contrived----as in "manufactured" out of thin air.

Example:

On this topic, irrespective of my criticism to your person as being the one to ironically initiate it, my position on the subject itself is clear, unambiguous, and unchanged.

• Once again:
  

  
  As for my bah-Xawaadle, the biggest culprits unfortunately whom are correctly pointed out by Dalalos in this case.
  
  1. There should be 0 and I mean 0 justification why they have 2 mps and a senate seat.
  2. Even if Fartaag stole the senate seat in Kismaayo, then reer Ugaas Shermaarke and MP Magan should have vacated his seat for reer Garaad.
  3. There should be no reason for my reer Siyaad to collect first among bah-Xawaadle in Gedo and share with reer Warsame in Galmudug.
  4. Reer Warsame should be the ONLY representation of bah-Xawaadle in Galmudug.
  5. Rer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermaarke should share ONE mp from Gedo. If one has national mp seat then the other should be the Jubbaland State main rep for bah-Xawaadle

Then onflating the separate issues of 1.)my criticism of you as convo initiator (having a history opposite to stated goals of topic) and.) my support of the topic, apparently the person you allege to be speaking with just falsely supported the topic on the whim and as cover to attack you.

Well if you are speaking to Voltage and not someone else, Voltage has a very loud, outspoken, and unambiguous posting history on this subject in this very forum especially in this very section.

1. December 2018
   
   Ironically here I touch on both my unchanged, unambiguous criticism of my sub-clan, my unwavering support for reer Warsame in particular and other sub-clans, as well as compared reer Dalal relatively favorably even then.
   
   You will note that even in this topic, my chose of "biggest culprits" was a disclosure that yes my sub-clan is the worst, but relativity aside, reer Diini altogether are disproportionately represented and I have become even more radical generally. Your reer Dalal, with your false tears and ridiculous whining, are not innocent young. They are relatively more balanced than their bah-Xawaadle brothers who are the greediest but they still should not have both a Senate AND an MP.
   

   • Reer Dalal waa niman reer magaal ah who have a strong respect and deference to others. By that I mean my reer Siyaad and reer Ugaas Shermarke have shown greedy desire for parliamentary seat even though they are only one bah of reer Diini and always get two seats (the only bah in Diini to get two) without even once offering one to reer Warsame let alone other Sade clans and yet reer Dalal offered the bah-Ogadeen seat who got one seat to other clans (I think reer Hersi now). Look at bah-Xawaadle they have two parliamentary seats and a Senator (3 seats and reer Ugaas Shermarke did not offer the parliamentary seat to reer Warsame or other Sade clans though Fartaag got a Senator position as well for bah-Xawaadle while reer Dalal gave up their parliamentary seat after Goonjeex got a Senator position for bah-Ogaadeen).
     
     https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0#p4914323

2. January 2020
   
   Not to belabor the point but once again.
   

   • Bah-Xawaadle should get ONE KURSI. ONE SINGLE KURSI and let reer Ugaas Sher and reer Siyaad and reer Warsame learn to share.
     
     The headache with this is while bah Ogaadeen is all in one district (Caabudwaaq), the 3 Bah Xawaadle clans are primarily in 3 DIFFERENT DISTRICTs
     
     
     Reer Ugaas Sher (Baardheere)
     Reer Siyaad (Garbahaaray)
     Reer Warsame (Balanbale)
     
     It's a logistical anomaly, but this is also where Afar Waxood came in for Marehan Mudug which said reer Warsame as an example is not without representation because he also comes under the same constituency as Bah-Daarandoole (Waaxda Bah Hawiye whose seat is always given to reer Kooshin).
     
     At the VERY LEAST Reer Ugas Shermarke and reer Siyaad should share ONE seat.
     
     The problem is they let this go in Embagathi. I remember it was a continuously ongoing issue with the seat reer Ugaas Shermaarke ended up taking
     
     https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 5#p4967873

So really dude, when I said I am not sure if you were actually speaking to me, that is exactly what I meant.

1. I criticized you being the one to start topic as topic requires good faith otherwise everything falls apart. Your history in this forum is quite literally functioning like 5th Column. You couldn't have tried hard. If you are now a unitor, great, but the let the evidence talk. All I have seen so far is the same "my child is an angel, every other child is evil" with a different strategy.

2. Even so, the topic is relevant and I responded to it independent of my criticism to you

3. My position on the topic was crafted way before your topic or with you in mind.

[Voltage]

Also everything I penned to you as Bah Ogaadeen is to say, your tactics look to me as subversive.... 5th Column with a different strategy, so simmer down.

Yes, reer Dalal did kill Ugaas Siraaji un 2001 and no one, literally no one knows who was born first in bah-Ogaadeen. If you think you do, you have one opinion. i don't even know who the hell was born first Siyaad or Warsame in my own bah. I grew up with one version and still assume it but quite obviously reer Warsame have their own version.

The only thing known is presumably Shermaarke was the oldest, the ladies were three from X clans, the number of boys were X Amount, and Shermaarke Rooble of Bah Ogaadeen is not the son of Diini but his brother Rooble Farah who was first married to Lady Ogaadeeney. Diini married her under dumaal after the death of his brother.

Really this has just been very unnecessary altogether.

[Osob101]

Dalalos

From reading your information, I just have one question, How does the title of Ugaas get robbed unless Marehan has a different way or tradition where the title is not passed down from father to son which would mean it would be impossible to take the title and be accepted among your tol?

I can tell you from the Somali Clans I am familiar with Abgaal is the only one I knew where the Ugaas is not passed down from Father to Son but rather grandfather to the eldest grandson and the reason being the first Ugaas was the grand child of the Imaam and by tradition it became as such where the grandson inherits the title.

[Voltage]

Dalalos

From reading your information, I just have one question, How does the title of Ugaas get robbed unless Marehan has a different way or tradition where the title is not passed down from father to son which would mean it would be impossible to take the title and be accepted among your tol?

I can tell you from the Somali Clans I am familiar with Abgaal is the only one I knew where the Ugaas is not passed down from Father to Son but rather grandfather to the eldest grandson and the reason being the first Ugaas was the grand child of the Imaam and by tradition it became as such where the grandson inherits the title.

Not Ugaas, Garaad. Ugaas was the title of coronation taken afrer the "robbery."

Also, what we are calling a "robbery" was really pretty much a Coup... an internal coup within Marehan that saw one lineage depose the lineage of the Garaad and after victory take on a new title which was becoming more fashionable that time ("Ugaas").

If you are confused, there is a clan in Mareexaan called "Reer Garaad." For example, the town of Ceelcadde in Gedo where over 200 Kenyans lost their lives on morning during Shabaab's single best attack against the Kenyans----well Ceelcadde is 100% a Reer Garaad town.

Maxamed Weli Sheelh Axmed whom Mudulood had a problem with couple months ago in Muqdisho. Well he is also Marehan/reer Garaad.

During the Ahmed Gurey saga, recall the man recorded 500 years ago as HIRAABE, Chief the Marehan and Emir of the Somalis.

The "Garaad" in Marehan/Reer Garaad is the lineage which Hiraabe came under hence him being the Chief.

[Garad] Hiraabe son of [Garad] Ali son of [Garad] Adan son of Mataan son of Ciis son of Ahmed son of Mohamed son of Da'ud son of Abadir etc etc etc

Reer Garaad/Mareexaan come from Garaad Adan Mataan.

Well later the lineage of Hussein Yusuf Mataan completely usurped the title from their uncles the Reer Garaad [Adan Mataan] in a coup and took on the title "Ugaas" as a new beginning.

By the "lineage of Hussein Yusuf Mataan", of course I primarily mean Adali and I's greedy reer Diini.

Diini
Farah
Guuleed
Shermarke
Khalaf
HUSSEIN
YUSUF
MATAAN
Ciis
Ahmed
Mohamed
Da'ud
Abadir

[dalalos101]

Voltage as long as Rer Ugas Sharmaake hold traditional head of MX they should stay away from politics, if you don't see the conflict of interest by mixing Dhaqan and politics than I don't know what to say saxib, you are not evolved enough.

[Osob101]

Voltage

Garaad or Ugaas no matter what the title is called , it’s still inherited by being passed own through bloodline. In your case what seemed to happened is that all the other siblings/clans accepted the new person and coronated them. For example the current Abgaal Ugaas has not officially be coronated because by the time he was coming of age, the civil war was raging and Al Shabab followed and the coronation only happens in a specific village called Ceel Cirfiid though his grandfather who was the Ugaas died in 1989. His father was appointed as Regent until his coming of age and once he did that, he had to pass ur own and I can tell you for a fact his father did try to keep the title for himself but obviously he couldn’t. Long story short, who ever robbed the title in your tol was accepted and crowned LOL

[dalalos101]

Voltage

Garaad or Ugaas no matter what the title is called , it’s still inherited by being passed own through bloodline. In your case what seemed to happened is that all the other siblings/clans accepted the new person and coronated them. For example the current Abgaal Ugaas has not officially be coronated because by the time he was coming of age, the civil war was raging and Al Shabab followed and the coronation only happens in a specific village called Ceel Cirfiid though his grandfather who was the Ugaas died in 1989. His father was appointed as Regent until his coming of age and once he did that, he had to pass ur own and I can tell you for a fact his father did try to keep the title for himself but obviously he couldn’t. Long story short, who ever robbed the title in your tol was accepted and crowned LOL

You have it in Abgaal as well, it was just stolen by a cousin lineage that was more powerful.

Garad lineage a couple generation older than the Ugaas lineage, were traditional heads of MX until 1800s when the descendants of Ugaas Diini fought Rer Garad and took over, making Ugaas traditional head of MX instead of Garaad for the first time. At the time there was no such thing as Rer Diini or Rer Garad, we were all Rer Ciis.

unlike Voltage I don't consider it greed, its good ! the most powerful and successful MX should lead, Rer Garad are very educated and powerful, but they are dispersed, Rer Diini aren't and rightfully took by force the traditional head of MX for the betterment of MX, unfortunately in 2020 we have simps like Voltage who will call it greed, he doesn't even respect the position of traditional head, he probably thinks its a useless position, he is liberal freak and subclannist qabilist covertly, when I say seperate traditional head from politics he thinks its an attack on his Habar wadaag Diini cousins, but it actually is empowerment of the tradition and dhaqan of MX. Besides Rer Ugaas Sharmaake are total shambles in politics, they produced PM Xiirane who was behind the Hiraale attack on Kismaayo that utterly failed, Jubaland VP Fartaag who is current Senator and a bunch of other losers, its their saving grace to exist politics and focus on dhaqanka as the Ugaas laf, most MX are looking at them in disbelief

[dalalos101]

A non politically involved Rer Ugaas Sharmaake and model for proper traditional head is the young kusimaha Ugaas in Caabudwaaq, by seperating traditional head from politics the Ugaas can act as a unifying and respected figure within beesha, it is far important role than Federal representative, and its necessary, Rer Ugaas Sharmaake should pick one, not fail at both.