Breaking news: Cabdirashiid Janan strikes a deal with Farmaajo govt ditches Madoobe

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

An entire family including 6 of their children died in one set of casualties in the war he led on Beled-Hawa.

Yesterday one man died for raping one woman.

If Janan isn't given the ultimate sentence, he should share the same fate as Abu Mansuur and others.

He should be held in confinement in Mogadishu.

Do not even transfer him to Gedo.

Also, anyone coming over right now if they are officers/leaders should be barred from Jubbaland and confined in Mogadishu.

Any foot soldiers or low-level people should be isolated and quarantined for rehabilitation.

Little bit ago, I said Kenya and her allies will change strategy. Marehan will be wined and danced. They will be crowned.

There must not be 5th columns and plants in our ranks.

The younger Marehans don’t want anybody from the Madobe era. They are toxic and out of step to us. Seems like the feeling is not just me and grandpa

Saddam,

Do you recall what my position was when Janan was arrested?

What was my position even when he escaped?

What was my position even when he sought shelter in Kenya.

What was my position on Janan until the first bullet was shot in Beled-Hawa as a result of this issue?

If you do not recall, I will remind you because it is important; in fact it is vital to show why I fundamentally disagree with your reason for your position.

You and whoever else has every right to stick to that position, but you cannot be allowed to do so on a fundamentally false basis.

And that's really what this whataboutism is, it is built on false grounds.

Stick to, argue, and convince the clan of your position.

It is a valid position.

But you cannot to do it on a false whataboutism that downplays exactly what Janan et all did and falsely equates an unpopular action (having been part of Madoobe Jubba) with direct, bloody hands.

That is literally the meaning of injustice.

Let’s agree to disagree but know the sentiment I share is legitimate and shared by my generation. The older generation are failures and should be challenged. The corruption and incompetence of the older generation led us to be humiliated like this and a coward from Garowe who we know we can kill has the xiniyo to tell me about my own gobol? A f-king Zanzibari coward has the gall to tell me about my own gobol? The cagdheer is a pawn for Kenya and the Zanzibari. He means nothing. The Zanzibari deserves a bullet for even uttering my gobol. We aren’t the Harti (no offense to tolkay) that border them. We are Marehan who ruled Somalia for 21 years and the heirs of Adal. Luckily, the younger Marehans are with me are the future. That’s all that matters Jaale. I hate incompetency bro. It is what it is. It’s only a matter of time until I raise to power. Whose gonna stop me huh? I’m a wolf when the moon hits. I’m rumble bro, I’m rumble

[Murax]

MX have a lot to do with holding this Jubbaland Kenya L. MX politicians were in Nairobi, Kenya 2010-2013 with Madoobe, Ghandi, others planning to build a ‘Jubbaland State’. They fought Xassan Sh in the name of Hawiye Vs Darood BS. Fast forward Kismaayo turned into a Kenyan port. How are MX as a whole not complicit?

[Gubbet]

Saddam, with all due respect, I asked you a question brother.

We are not going to be fake and sweep this under the table.

Your statement was towards me and like I said, your position is a valid position. I would even argue it is not "possibly" but "most likely" that it is the majority position among the younger members of the Clan.

I only have to look at the topic couple weeks ago when I was the only one on my side.

But I asked you that question for a reason----BECAUSE I WAS ALSO THE ONLY ONE OUT OF ALL OF YOU WITH THE POSITION I HAD TOWARDS JANAN'S ARREST AND ESCAPE FROM JAIL.

The question I asked you is important for judging the integrity of my position and the fact that it shows COMPARING JANAN TO CIRRO IS A FALSE EQUIVALENCE.

Gaal dil gartiisana sii; say you don't want the man---that's your prerogative.

But do not lie and slander and fraudulently compare bloody hands to having a different political opinion.

I ask you very sincerely and resprctf, what was my position on Janan during his capture AND his escape?

[Gubbet]

Murax,

That is exactly why I resolved to move on from who partook and who did not partake in that process. We were a divided clan with legitimately held difference of opinion.

Every single person who was willing to renounce it was the beneficiary of let's put it to the past, but can't fool us again type of outlook.

Everyone who had not was the beneficiary of he is one of ours, let us try to change hearts and minds.


Until the first bullets cracked in Beled-Xaawo.

If you did not renounce your position on the day following the fight at that time when you were no longer even eligible for Amnesty but had to pay ay least some price----


---- forgiveness if you were still on the other side on that day.

Janan and Cirro are not comparable and I absolutely resent that false equivalence AS A MAREEXAAN.

Say fock Cirro, over my dead body he should be allowed to be in our politics.

That's legitimate point of view.

But do not insult the death, destruction, and the loss of lives, property, and wealth and the overt use of foreign troops and enemy militias against Mareexaan caused directly by Janan et all's bloody hands.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Saddam, with all due respect, I asked you a question brother.

We are not going to be fake and sweep this under the table.

Your statement was towards me and like I said, your position is a valid position. I would even argue it is not "possibly" but "most likely" that it is the majority position among the younger members of the Clan.

I only have to look at the topic couple weeks ago when I was the only one on my side.

But I asked you that question for a reason----BECAUSE I WAS ALSO THE ONLY ONE OUT OF ALL OF YOU WITH THE POSITION I HAD TOWARDS JANAN'S ARREST AND ESCAPE FROM JAIL.

The question I asked you is important for judging the integrity of my position and the fact that it shows COMPARING JANAN TO CIRRO IS A FALSE EQUIVALENCE.

Gaal dil gartiisana sii; say you don't want the man---that's your prerogative.

But do not lie and slander and fraudulently compare bloody hands to having a different political opinion.

I ask you very sincerely and resprctf, what was my position on Janan during his capture AND his escape?

They are not the same but they represent the past bro. It is what it is.

[Gubbet]

Saddam wallahi that's fine. Like I said that is most likely the majority clan opinion which is Cirro's problem to wrestle with and why his judgement was so shitty to begin with.

Lakin this killer; no.

Lock him up and throw away the if he won't pay the Iron Price.

And at the LEAST---peg even that to how much he can cooperate with Madoobe's future crimes against human rights trial.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Saddam wallahi that's fine. Like I said that is most likely the majority clan opinion which is Cirro's problem to wrestle with and why his judgement was so shitty to begin with.

Lakin this killer; no.

Lock him up and throw away the if he won't pay the Iron Price.

And at the LEAST---peg even that to how much he can cooperate with Madoobe's future crimes against human rights trial.

Janan and his ilk are to be killed if I was in power but hey I’m not yet? I don’t tolerate those who burn their own cities to appease laangaabs who are scared to defend theirs in Garowe. I hope my Lander friends apply pressure

[WadaniggaBarakaysan]

MX have a lot to do with holding this Jubbaland Kenya L. MX politicians were in Nairobi, Kenya 2010-2013 with Madoobe, Ghandi, others planning to build a ‘Jubbaland State’. They fought Xassan Sh in the name of Hawiye Vs Darood BS. Fast forward Kismaayo turned into a Kenyan port. How are MX as a whole not complicit?

There is a huge internal disunity politically, socially, militarily and economically within Marehan. The only time Marehan has ever been united is when USC entered Gedo in 1991. If Marehan was politically, economically and militarily united, Marehan would've dominated Lower Jubba, Middle Jubba and Gedo.

[Mustafee101]

An entire family including 6 of their children died in one set of casualties in the war he led on Beled-Hawa.

Yesterday one man died for raping one woman.

If Janan isn't given the ultimate sentence, he should share the same fate as Abu Mansuur and others.

He should be held in confinement in Mogadishu.

Do not even transfer him to Gedo.

Also, anyone coming over right now if they are officers/leaders should be barred from Jubbaland and confined in Mogadishu.

Any foot soldiers or low-level people should be isolated and quarantined for rehabilitation.

Little bit ago, I said Kenya and her allies will change strategy. Marehan will be wined and danced. They will be crowned.

There must not be 5th columns and plants in our ranks.

Look at you acting like Gedo and Somalia is like your liberal city of Seattle Washington lmao

1. Janan shouldn’t get arrest at all because it is the Sade elders that talk to him and told him to stop the war. He listened to his elders, nothing to do with Farmaajo.

2. Janan is reer Ahmed man, for the past 10-15 years he made sure his sub-clan are armed to the teeth even though now he only has support from section of reer Samatar while reer Baale support the government.

3. If the government tried to arrest him, this will unite the reer Axmed people and turn against the government. You will see them calling Farmaajo qabiiliste especially since Fartaag and Barre Hiiraale are in Xamar walking free.

[grandpakhalif]

An entire family including 6 of their children died in one set of casualties in the war he led on Beled-Hawa.

Yesterday one man died for raping one woman.

If Janan isn't given the ultimate sentence, he should share the same fate as Abu Mansuur and others.

He should be held in confinement in Mogadishu.

Do not even transfer him to Gedo.

Also, anyone coming over right now if they are officers/leaders should be barred from Jubbaland and confined in Mogadishu.

Any foot soldiers or low-level people should be isolated and quarantined for rehabilitation.

Little bit ago, I said Kenya and her allies will change strategy. Marehan will be wined and danced. They will be crowned.

There must not be 5th columns and plants in our ranks.

Look at you acting like Gedo and Somalia is like your liberal city of Seattle Washington lmao

1. Janan shouldn’t get arrest at all because it is the Sade elders that talk to him and told him to stop the war. He listened to his elders, nothing to do with Farmaajo.

2. Janan is reer Ahmed man, for the past 10-15 years he made sure his sub-clan are armed to the teeth even though now he only has support from section of reer Samatar while reer Baale support the government.

3. If the government tried to arrest him, this will unite the reer Axmed people and turn against the government. You will see them calling Farmaajo qabiiliste especially since Fartaag and Barre Hiiraale are in Xamar walking free.

I agree Janan shouldnt be trusted with any intelligence but he should not be arrested or mistreated. He is very much respected amongst Rer Axmed and Sade unity is very much paramount as fragile as it is. We must accept his boys and give them amnesty to encourage Beeshas unity. He should pay mag for the shelling in Beled xaawo.

[Sbashi]

An entire family including 6 of their children died in one set of casualties in the war he led on Beled-Hawa.

Yesterday one man died for raping one woman.

If Janan isn't given the ultimate sentence, he should share the same fate as Abu Mansuur and others.

He should be held in confinement in Mogadishu.

Do not even transfer him to Gedo.

Also, anyone coming over right now if they are officers/leaders should be barred from Jubbaland and confined in Mogadishu.

Any foot soldiers or low-level people should be isolated and quarantined for rehabilitation.

Little bit ago, I said Kenya and her allies will change strategy. Marehan will be wined and danced. They will be crowned.

There must not be 5th columns and plants in our ranks.

Look at you acting like Gedo and Somalia is like your liberal city of Seattle Washington lmao

1. Janan shouldn’t get arrest at all because it is the Sade elders that talk to him and told him to stop the war. He listened to his elders, nothing to do with Farmaajo.

2. Janan is reer Ahmed man, for the past 10-15 years he made sure his sub-clan are armed to the teeth even though now he only has support from section of reer Samatar while reer Baale support the government.

3. If the government tried to arrest him, this will unite the reer Axmed people and turn against the government. You will see them calling Farmaajo qabiiliste especially since Fartaag and Barre Hiiraale are in Xamar walking free.

We don't disclose our affairs to shisheeye.

[Gubbet]

An entire family including 6 of their children died in one set of casualties in the war he led on Beled-Hawa.

Yesterday one man died for raping one woman.

If Janan isn't given the ultimate sentence, he should share the same fate as Abu Mansuur and others.

He should be held in confinement in Mogadishu.

Do not even transfer him to Gedo.

Also, anyone coming over right now if they are officers/leaders should be barred from Jubbaland and confined in Mogadishu.

Any foot soldiers or low-level people should be isolated and quarantined for rehabilitation.

Little bit ago, I said Kenya and her allies will change strategy. Marehan will be wined and danced. They will be crowned.

There must not be 5th columns and plants in our ranks.

Look at you acting like Gedo and Somalia is like your liberal city of Seattle Washington lmao

1. Janan shouldn’t get arrest at all because it is the Sade elders that talk to him and told him to stop the war. He listened to his elders, nothing to do with Farmaajo.

2. Janan is reer Ahmed man, for the past 10-15 years he made sure his sub-clan are armed to the teeth even though now he only has support from section of reer Samatar while reer Baale support the government.

3. If the government tried to arrest him, this will unite the reer Axmed people and turn against the government. You will see them calling Farmaajo qabiiliste especially since Fartaag and Barre Hiiraale are in Xamar walking free.

1. I don't understand why you are always passive-aggressive towards me. This is the umpteenth time you use something you disagree with me about to try to discredit an unrelated point of view.

2. What I understand or don't understand about this is on record. You could just look it up. That's why I asked Saddam if he remembers what my position was when hr was first arrested. Here is one post when he was in jail;

Murax,

Dollow baad sheegtaye, ma malayn kartid xataa what a metropolis the reer Axmed/Samatar village Geedweyne became because of Janan (reer Axmed/reer Samatar).

His negatives aside, this guy rose like an eagle for reer Axmed. I actually wish Marehan had the equivalent that reer Axmed have in Janan.

My whole position on the arest was a wait and see kind of approach (is there a bigger strategy here concerning Jubbaland). If there isn't, I would be the first to break the jail to get him. Every clan has their killers. Even within Marehan, Fartaag self-styling himself as a Senator is a killer with blood on his hands (especially Marehan blood when he supported Ras Kamboni over Barre).

What makes Janan unique in facing trial especially considering unlike all of those other caaqs, the guy has done tremendous work and organized/developed and built the Dollow you see there from a mere village 10 years ago.

As a clan, reer Axmed and reer Garaad are the success story of Marehan the last 20 years for what they have done for Dollow and Ceel Cadde, and as an individual (despite his negative shortcomings), none has done more for his beel and deegaan among Marehan than Janan.

I know two truths when I see Janan being locked up;

1. Ethiopia is behind it or heavily involved. Dollow is little Ethiopia inside Somalia. Ethiopia forces have had bases in Dollow since 1996 against Al Itihad. No where else in Somalia has Ethiopia been in longer and militarily present than Dollow. I don't know if you know but in Dollow, they don't even use Shilling Somalia, but rather the Ethiopian Birr. Janan's confidence in Ethiopian support was so strong remember that he even arrested Mohamed Abdi Kalil, Gedo Governor when the Gedo admin was located in Dollow as the only free district in Gedo during Shabaab. He arrested Kalil for opposing the nascent Jubbaland / Madoobe admin. Ilaahay amarkiis he was the first to support Madoobe/Jubbaland because they Ethiopians ordered him and it is now they who either caused him to be arrested or gave the green light to detain him for supporting Madoobe/Jubbaland.

2. Reer Axmed would have already carried out retaliatory/aano qabiil strikes against reer Faarax Ugaas if the closest one to them wasn't reer Siyaad. It is only because Farmaajo is bah-Ogaadeen and a reer Mudug we haven't witnessed 90's level sub-clan clash. If Farmaajo was Reer Siyaad wallahi, serious blood would have already spilled. The oldest reer Axmed guy in my town told Marehan verbatim, "nimankaan adeeraday aan u nahay (reer Siyaad) shaqo kuma lahan waxa Xamar ka dhacay ee hadii kale Ahmed Weyd dhaartaye dhiiga baa la qubi lahaa." The fact they named their new airport after Janan while he is arrested and on trail should tell you meeshuu uga yaal reer Axmed.

My fear is patience will run out and reer Axmed, ever war like, will carry out a serious aano qabiil to make the gov (Farmaajo) look up and take notice if they think reer Axmed way iska aamusanyihiin.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 7#p4959856

3. You are insulting rer Axmed like I was insulting them at that time. He has been arrested, turned fugitive and fought 2X. The only thing rer Axmed has done---if not fight him---is change the Dollow Airport from his name.

4. Finally, you are insulting Farmàajo. If any of that tired old civil war mantra----"Ohooh ka baqa qoryahooda, waa reer hebel fulaan!----he wouldn't have raid Abdirahman Abdishakuur early morning no less, put handcuffs on Abu Mansuur in the middlenof Baidoa, order the take down of Shaakir in the middle of Dhuusamareeb, and bar Hassan Sheekh and Sh Shariif from a flight.

5. I may be "liberal" sxb, but you are in 1996 and it is 2021. Your argument is the same argument Indhacade was making on the evening of February 18----before Gorgor chased him away.

[Murax]

Sbashi are you Reer Axmed? This whole time I thought you were Dalalos

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

An entire family including 6 of their children died in one set of casualties in the war he led on Beled-Hawa.

Yesterday one man died for raping one woman.

If Janan isn't given the ultimate sentence, he should share the same fate as Abu Mansuur and others.

He should be held in confinement in Mogadishu.

Do not even transfer him to Gedo.

Also, anyone coming over right now if they are officers/leaders should be barred from Jubbaland and confined in Mogadishu.

Any foot soldiers or low-level people should be isolated and quarantined for rehabilitation.

Little bit ago, I said Kenya and her allies will change strategy. Marehan will be wined and danced. They will be crowned.

There must not be 5th columns and plants in our ranks.

Look at you acting like Gedo and Somalia is like your liberal city of Seattle Washington lmao

1. Janan shouldn’t get arrest at all because it is the Sade elders that talk to him and told him to stop the war. He listened to his elders, nothing to do with Farmaajo.

2. Janan is reer Ahmed man, for the past 10-15 years he made sure his sub-clan are armed to the teeth even though now he only has support from section of reer Samatar while reer Baale support the government.

3. If the government tried to arrest him, this will unite the reer Axmed people and turn against the government. You will see them calling Farmaajo qabiiliste especially since Fartaag and Barre Hiiraale are in Xamar walking free.

We don't disclose our affairs to shisheeye.

New generation

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Madobe knew about the defection of Janan for several days. Voltage’s xog checks out. Expect movement in Gedo soon. Big delegation will be arriving. The man in the mountain is coming. It’s Shinobi Season for real