Deni politically defeated

[BigBreak]

Big break what makes u say that

They hate Isaaq and oppose Somaliland's independence and borders

[MrSinister]

Sinisiter I thought u was smarter then that
What power does hassan culusow have what real physicial power does he have this reminds me of failmaajo who said he owns the Berbera port and the dp world manager said we are signing the papers here in berbera so who ever owns berbera. Must come here. Do you really think if hassan sheikh says no to the USA to come to berbera it can have any impact but if somaliland said no to the USA u can’t come to berbera then USA can’t come to berbera even if they have the approval of the bunker president of amisom . The same way somaliland told china to fuck off we don’t need or want ur money our relationship with taiwan is on principle u know having a millatary base some where u need the government that is actually in control of that part of the world
To be on ur side it’s not like being a paper govt. only u can’t buy shit with that

I don’t disagree that HSM has no real power in SL or most of Somalia. He has no real power in PL as well, that’s why overall PL hasn’t lost anything. But the US and other countries still must publically respect the federal government in Mogadishu. I’m sure they bribe him so he doesn’t say anything about berbera. But the reality is the US policy in Somalia hasn’t changed and they will never recognize Somaliland. The question is if Somaliland is serious about recognition, they should make it a condition for any international projects.

What the US an other countries are doing in Somaliland, Puntland and Somalia is just pitting them against other. They know Somaliland or Puntland has very little options in terms of access to loans or finance. They also know the federal government is a paper government with no real power, so they use them to get favourable deals.

[Isseayaanle]

I have two observation for why putland failed to enslave Hutus as before.
1: They picked a weak pm puppet thanks to farmaajo showing them you can nominate anyone.
2: They basically told Xalane and foreign governments we’ll do anything you want. Like signing Khat for Kenya in exchange for Madobe signing the documents.

I believe we are seeing the rise of HUTUS as a powerhouse in Somalia because of two crucial things.

1: CAPITAL BEING IN XAMAR (Gives then an advantage to bully other clan leaders, presidents, etc).

2: BEING SUBSERVIENT FOR FOREIGNERS SUCH AS KENYA, UAE, ETC.

[Nomand]

I have two observation for why putland failed to enslave Hutus as before.
1: They picked a weak pm puppet thanks to farmaajo showing them you can nominate anyone.
2: They basically told Xalane and foreign governments we’ll do anything you want. Like signing Khat for Kenya in exchange for Madobe signing the documents.

I believe we are seeing the rise of HUTUS as a powerhouse in Somalia because of two crucial things.

1: CAPITAL BEING IN XAMAR (Gives then an advantage to bully other clan leaders, presidents, etc).

2: BEING SUBSERVIENT FOR FOREIGNERS SUCH AS KENYA, UAE, ETC.

The xalane mafia is being paid by culusow. Also UAE and kenya no longer need to go through puntland. They have culusow in Villa Somalia that will do anything for them.

But the biggest trump card culusow has is the xalane mafia. Deni was forced to sign the agreement he was forced to go attend the meeting even via zoom.

It was the same xalane mafia that supported deni against farmaajo are now are supporting culusow over deni.

This is just the beginning, culusow has green card to basically starve puntland when it comes to donor money and donor projects.

Puntlands fake news of farmaajo preventing donor projects will become a self fulfilling prophecy under culusow administration.

[Isseayaanle]

I have two observation for why putland failed to enslave Hutus as before.
1: They picked a weak pm puppet thanks to farmaajo showing them you can nominate anyone.
2: They basically told Xalane and foreign governments we’ll do anything you want. Like signing Khat for Kenya in exchange for Madobe signing the documents.

I believe we are seeing the rise of HUTUS as a powerhouse in Somalia because of two crucial things.

1: CAPITAL BEING IN XAMAR (Gives then an advantage to bully other clan leaders, presidents, etc).

2: BEING SUBSERVIENT FOR FOREIGNERS SUCH AS KENYA, UAE, ETC.

The xalane mafia is being paid by culusow. Also UAE and kenya no longer need to go through puntland. They have culusow in Villa Somalia that will do anything for them.

But the biggest trump card culusow has is the xalane mafia. Deni was forced to sign the agreement he was forced to go attend the meeting even via zoom.

It was the same xalane mafia that supported deni against farmaajo are now are supporting culusow over deni.

This is just the beginning, culusow has green card to basically starve puntland when it comes to donor money and donor projects.

Puntlands fake news of farmaajo preventing donor projects will become a self fulfilling prophecy under culusow administration.

Do you agree that HUTUS are now a rising power due to the capital being Xamar and their subservience to foreigners

[Nomand]

The somali "presidency" will become like the "presidency" of ahmed madoobe in which the xalane mafia will make sure that who ever becomes president will do whatever they demand.

The xalane mafia are too strong, so I would say hutu will lead the bunker government for the foreseeable future. But I also think the bunker government will become weaker and weaker.

[Isseayaanle]

Nomand thanks a lot for responding. Final question: What do you think of the ABG-MJ alliance? Is it dead? And how will this disastrous Hutu lead government effect normal Somali clans like Dir, Raxawayne and marehan? Will their condition worsen or be the same. My observation is business as usual except this time: More Hutu on Hutu violence, Idoors and majertein kids drowning in Libya coast and the rise of alshaydaan because of clans getting weapons from the government such as Macawisley.

[Khalid Ali]

Sinisiter I thought u was smarter then that
What power does hassan culusow have what real physicial power does he have this reminds me of failmaajo who said he owns the Berbera port and the dp world manager said we are signing the papers here in berbera so who ever owns berbera. Must come here. Do you really think if hassan sheikh says no to the USA to come to berbera it can have any impact but if somaliland said no to the USA u can’t come to berbera then USA can’t come to berbera even if they have the approval of the bunker president of amisom . The same way somaliland told china to fuck off we don’t need or want ur money our relationship with taiwan is on principle u know having a millatary base some where u need the government that is actually in control of that part of the world
To be on ur side it’s not like being a paper govt. only u can’t buy shit with that

I don’t disagree that HSM has no real power in SL or most of Somalia. He has no real power in PL as well, that’s why overall PL hasn’t lost anything. But the US and other countries still must publically respect the federal government in Mogadishu. I’m sure they bribe him so he doesn’t say anything about berbera. But the reality is the US policy in Somalia hasn’t changed and they will never recognize Somaliland. The question is if Somaliland is serious about recognition, they should make it a condition for any international projects.

What the US an other countries are doing in Somaliland, Puntland and Somalia is just pitting them against other. They know Somaliland or Puntland has very little options in terms of access to loans or finance. They also know the federal government is a paper government with no real power, so they use them to get favourable deals.

Let me tell u something Robert gates former us secretary of defence back in 2007 said the bush administration should just drop the whole tfg for it will not bring anything tangible and that we instead the USA speaking said that we instead should support somaliland and support its recognition because it’s a more reliable ally for us and really that’s what they said we even went as far as jendeye frazer visiting hargeisa So say never ever that the USA won’t recognise somaliland because if they find interest there they would same as they pushed the south Sudanese independence and pushed bashir to sign the independence referendum for South Sudan . The USA policy since the beginning said what ever the au decides we will honor. There is a somaliland usa act adopted by the senate of the USA but ur right we should bargain hard with USA to get what we want if we are going to give them a base it’s only us that can give a base to them not the bunker. Second let’s say the USA agrees with a deal with somaliland to open a base in berbera and the bunker throws a tandrum what on earth can hassan culusow possibly do write a letter to the un that the USA is. Trespassing somalia sovereignty the USA won’t give a shit about tfg they only use it to protect their interest in Kenya and Ethiopia and Djibouti they can drop them tomorow and there is nothing the bunker can do what wil they do what cards do they have the whole tfg legitimacy of hassan culusow so called legitimacy was given by the USA back in 2012 with out it doesn’t exist the bunker exist because of USA aid European money to pay the amisom and Turkish charities it’s a not a govt. that functions that can make decisions

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Caaghdeers also failed. Hamza is a puppet and caaghdeer are no longer needed by kenya. Kenya will now directly deal with culusow.

You will slowly see madoobe loose grip on kismaayo. As for confederation the hutus will never agree they eat using somalias name. And their paper states are nothing without mogadishu.

But Puntland does not have any cards left to play against hutus. No darod supports them even madoobe back stabbed Deni.

It doesn’t matter if they agree with it or not, the fgs has no presence in PL. I don’t think much will change from before, if PL gets less donor aid and is more independent, that’s a win long term.

PL can always go it’s own way and completely sever ties with the FGS which is part of PL constitution. I don’t think the IC wants to deal with another breakaway region.

Also, give it a year or two and most Hawiye will turn against HSM.

Deni is doing good so far with his renewed focus on PL. There is no need for him to show all his cards yet, just be neutral, and wait as the HSM admin continues to destroy the country especially the south.

But forget about PL, marexaan is in worse off position than any clan. You guys are divided, with puppets representing you and no state of your own. I still don’t understand why some of you still support farmajo. His whole term was about making fgs and xamar more powerful and it completely backfired.

Marehan is like Majerten in the 70's, Isaaq in the 80's Abgaal in the 90's, etc.

By that I mean after the SSDF coup failed in 1978, or SNM declared war in 1982, or the 1993 Mogadishu green line was enacted...these groups by their own estimation had entered such a period where the start of the period was so extraordinary, they could only improve their circumstances from therein and were resigned to wait.

The entrance of Kenyan Defense Forces physically into Somalia and particularly in Kismaayo in 2010 was that moment for Marehan. Everything concerning their equity as they view it is suspended in "transition" until this factor is removed and they have impressed on me, quite starkly, time is on their side.

This is what is so ironic about Ahmed Madoobe's supporters when you remind them of the opportunity and length of time the man has had to build a real, credible, and lasting Jubbaland capable of surviving his tenure. They will become emotionally disturbed and even taunt with Madoobe's monarchical rights to tenure.

Well, even if he rules in Kismaayo until dealth, his tenure is still merely transitory. The moment is not infinity and it is even possible KDF might suddenly withdraw next year. What makes Madoobe's tenure possible is exactly what the Marehan have as their biggest weapon going for them; KDF has a begining and an end in their "time" inside Somalia.

I would like to ask you a question though; it seems to me Puntland elites are facing a watershed moment right now.

• Underpinning Puntland's "national" policy has been achieving two issues;
  
  1. Somalia under Federalism, not Puntland under Mogadishu
  2. Gedo under Kismaayo, not Kismaayo under Jubbaland.

I am not going to expand on this point at all or rehash narratives but it seems to me the outcome Puntland is facing this moment is the failure and confusion brought about by the schizophrenic synergy between the two issues. I think this outcome is really a stark sign that Puntland needs to have an intellectual conversation about what is really more a priority for Puntland of those two issues and how to incorporate one under the other as a single national policy that is not confusing and leads to failure. What do you think about this observation of mine?

Well said. 6000 years

[sahal80]

First time i open this long thread to see bal maxaa meesha ka socda and now all i see is SAHAL calaacal on reer Mogadishu restoring back their god given rights. The real faashil and politically defeated is Mooge and dulsaars who have no other place to go waxba Deni haku qarina jabkiisa


Deni ma fashilmin ee waxaa Guuleystey Hiraab oo midoobay qaar ka mid ah ayaa shaley mooge keenay hadey midoobaana bas waaye. Deni waa ninka Taariikhda ku galay inuu hogaamiyo Doorasho asagoon dalka madaxweyne ka aheyn laakin Al dulsaar Farmaajana uma tanaasulin maadama uu kaga adkaadey "first roundkii Farmaajaa ku qadeyni" haduu saas sameyn lahaa Deni ayaa ka chance fiicnaan lahaa 50 /50 ee in ka badan 100 cod loogama guuleysteen hadey u badato 20 cod ka badan Deni loogama adkaadeen.

waxaad iska indho tireysaan isbadal Xamar ka dhacay. Abgaal social media ayaa ka cabaadaya HG milkiilayaal picking their Banaadir Governor. Hassan Sh waxaa loo arki karaa nin Abaal xun oo beeshii Kaaraan ee difaacdey uga baxay balantii laakiin wuxuu muu jinayaa awooda HG ee Banaadir oo asaga keentay he is looking at the big picture. wuxuu Hiiraan siyaasiyiin ku dhahay waa idiin soo celinayaa Hirshabelle laakin marabo hada in beesha Abgaal wacbuudhan iyo Harti labadaba ay tooshka igu qabtaan qolana dhado waa HG(wacbuudhan) qolana dhahdo waa abtiyaashiis(harti) bal marka hore aan Banaadir meeleeyo waxaana loo kala qaadi HG(Mogadishu mayor) iyo Abgaal(Banaadir president)

isbadalkaas uma jeedaan war Xamar waa uga dhamaatey SAHAL sida hada amniga ku bilowdey waxaa ii muuqata rajo weyn in dulsaar danbe hoostagin iyo Amisom. ciidamada ajnabiga waa la badalayaa inkastoon taageersanayn Carab iyi Masar ay soo wadaan oo xulufo la ah laakin ciidanka ayaa Al Shabaab magaalooyinka dhsn kala wareegi doona ayadoon amisom loo baahneyn sida hada howshu ku bilaabatey hiiraan oo kale xilka madaxweynahana 5 sanaa laga dhigayaa waliba sadexbilood ayaa lagu dari oo ah intii sharci daro mooge ku joogay waloow uusan awood heesan sanadkaas mudo ku filan isbadal amni nin aan maamulgoboleed heesana doorashada soo socota 2% kama aha. waxaa ku hardanaya UPD(Hirshabelle, Galmudug, KG iyo JL) Vs Deni PL

laakin PL waa Dawlad jirta Xamar dulsaar kuma ah kumana aheen shaley dawladaana centralism waa ka fogtahay ee waa Dominant political party bilkacsi waxay sameyn doontaa decentralization within the FMS where the mayors and governors get elected. arinta lacagta listen to the interview with Beyle. 4 maamul oon dekad laheen toos aa loo biilaa laakiin lacagta deeqaha ah ayaa Maamulada qoondo weyn loo qoray. $100m oo hada world bank soo daayay waxaa laga xiray xukuumadii hore doorashada awgeed. PL iyo JL oo mucaarad xoogan ahaa ayay ku qanciyeen inay FMS qoondoweyn ka siinayaan shirar ka dhacay addisababa iyo kampala si ay u saxiixaan ooy lacagta u helaan xataa waxaa ka qeyb gali jiray wasiirka maaliyada JL ayadlon madoobe la aqoonsaneen bal waxay la kulmeen madoobe ooy u baahnaayeen si uu ugu saxiixo arintaas ayaa beyle ku qasabtey inuu la kulmo. . hada lacagtii waa timid dawladaana waxay tiri fk off your old waxqeybsi idiin ma baahnin. waxaa qoondada loo badin isbadalka FMSka kadib kuwaan ayaa pressure lacagta looga dhigayaa sida laftagareen oon dekad heesan haduu iswaalwaalo. maaha siyaasad PL ka dhan ah ee waxay ku socotaa ex gareens.

intaas ma fahmi kartaan ciyaalka siyaasada waxba kala socon

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

The dhabayacos knows thier weakness so they make themselves seem like very important for somalia Even though they don't contribute any thing to somalia.

They pay no tax
They don't allocate any man power for the national defence
They don't invest one penny in xamar.

It's funny how qadaadweyns are programmed to believe that somaliland is somali diid. While these dhabayacos are milking the cow without feeding it. At least we are investing xamar. What do they do for somalia ?

The vast majority of the hawiye believe in the narrative of the darood when it comes to Somaliland with the exception of a few xawaadle and a few habragedir the rest fall behind what ever darood , that isaaq and somaliland are somali diid that isaaq is there to divide the somali people
its very hard to defeat this mindset because the hawiyes mostly are very attached to the marada bluega not sure why
it was isaaaq that came twice to their rescue once during the ethiopian invasion we send our best fighters our best jihadist to exterminate the habesha invasion of mogadishu and it worked amiir ahmed godane and and sheikh afghani were a dream team with the blessing of the late sheikh warsame of burco spiritual leader who send his blessings and support from burco it was the then somaliland government that took in all the refugges from mogadishu in hargeisa and treated them as equal people the hawiyes were allowed to buy lands in somaliland

even though the constutions says one cant sell land to foreigners ajanabis any way thats not all when the flight full of refugees were refused to land any where in somalia ,,president rayaale gave premission to land in hargeisa igaal international airport second time was back 2011 when ther was a big famine the people of somaliland collected over a million dollars even school childeren donated their money to mogadishu and we send sheikh raage and abwaan hadraawi to hand over the support to the late leader of bunker sheikh dalxiiis

yet they consider the jabuutians their brothers and us their enemies when the jabuutians allowed america use their country as a base to attack the late general aideed and use drones in somalia not sure

just because the darood share and cries for marada bluega thats why the hawiyes feel closer that the darood is closer to them then the isaaq

wa caadi we already said good bye to somalia

Thanks for telling us you’re Al Shabaab. I hope the home office pays you a visit I doubt it.

[theyuusuf143]

I have two observation for why putland failed to enslave Hutus as before.
1: They picked a weak pm puppet thanks to farmaajo showing them you can nominate anyone.
2: They basically told Xalane and foreign governments we’ll do anything you want. Like signing Khat for Kenya in exchange for Madobe signing the documents.

I believe we are seeing the rise of HUTUS as a powerhouse in Somalia because of two crucial things.

1: CAPITAL BEING IN XAMAR (Gives then an advantage to bully other clan leaders, presidents, etc).

2: BEING SUBSERVIENT FOR FOREIGNERS SUCH AS KENYA, UAE, ETC.

1. They were doqon before, the average abgaal is typical xoolo ,

2. After too much cay from us and many power misuse from the dooro club. They have realised how doqon they were for a long time.

Looma baahna 60 jalaato cunaya oo ciyaalka xaafadaan ahay odhanaya markay talo faro ka haado. Hada atleast 60 jir koodu macawis buu soo qaatay si uu goofkiisa u xoraysto. Very positive. Qabyaaladiina waa barteen weliba si funny ah. Taasna waa an other positive. Hore u socdaan leeyahay.

[theyuusuf143]

The dhabayacos knows thier weakness so they make themselves seem like very important for somalia Even though they don't contribute any thing to somalia.

They pay no tax
They don't allocate any man power for the national defence
They don't invest one penny in xamar.

It's funny how qadaadweyns are programmed to believe that somaliland is somali diid. While these dhabayacos are milking the cow without feeding it. At least we are investing xamar. What do they do for somalia ?

The vast majority of the hawiye believe in the narrative of the darood when it comes to Somaliland with the exception of a few xawaadle and a few habragedir the rest fall behind what ever darood , that isaaq and somaliland are somali diid that isaaq is there to divide the somali people
its very hard to defeat this mindset because the hawiyes mostly are very attached to the marada bluega not sure why
it was isaaaq that came twice to their rescue once during the ethiopian invasion we send our best fighters our best jihadist to exterminate the habesha invasion of mogadishu and it worked amiir ahmed godane and and sheikh afghani were a dream team with the blessing of the late sheikh warsame of burco spiritual leader who send his blessings and support from burco it was the then somaliland government that took in all the refugges from mogadishu in hargeisa and treated them as equal people the hawiyes were allowed to buy lands in somaliland

even though the constutions says one cant sell land to foreigners ajanabis any way thats not all when the flight full of refugees were refused to land any where in somalia ,,president rayaale gave premission to land in hargeisa igaal international airport second time was back 2011 when ther was a big famine the people of somaliland collected over a million dollars even school childeren donated their money to mogadishu and we send sheikh raage and abwaan hadraawi to hand over the support to the late leader of bunker sheikh dalxiiis

yet they consider the jabuutians their brothers and us their enemies when the jabuutians allowed america use their country as a base to attack the late general aideed and use drones in somalia not sure

just because the darood share and cries for marada bluega thats why the hawiyes feel closer that the darood is closer to them then the isaaq

wa caadi we already said good bye to somalia

Thanks for telling us you’re Al Shabaab. I hope the home office pays you a visit I doubt it.

The home office knows you built monuments for the mad mullah, a 20th century terrorist. for killing British citizens. Godane was right to expel the xabashis from the somali capital. History will only remember 2 things here

1. Daarood brought the worst somali enemies into the heart of the somali capital. This legacy for the xabashis will always be a slap on your face. Remember the xabashis actually slapped cabdullahi yuusuf in his office , inside Mogadishu.

2. Isaaq fighters flooded xamar voluntarily and kicked out the xabashis in 2 years.

[Murax]

There is information I know, I’m not talking about FKD BS but real, actual info that confirms what Nomand said:


Xalane you prefers Culusow over Farmaajo 100%

[sahal80]

Xalane iyo conspiracy theory aa ka soo harey markii doorashada lagu xasuuqay.
Qoorqoor iyo Guudlaawe xataa waa uga baxeen daaroodna Deni baa qaatey war dadlaan waa khayaali ku nool ilaa hada waa ka toosi la yihiin jabkii mooge "their first Round" loogu geestey Thanks to Rooble ousting him earlier