Somaliland Milltary fully captures the entire district of Bocaame and city , PL flees, SL army 40 km away from garowe

[Sbashi]

Giklo,

A better example for Sahal, would be the Hawadle and Dir conflict that resulted in very sharp clashes in an areq between two locations known as Kabxanlay and Deefoow.

Secondly, you are asking the question "who is at fault" when you literally said, I will quote you;

The land belongs to Hassan Ugaas and nobody is denying that.

The fault did not began with Hassan Ugaas.

This is the thing about Justice, you need to be aware of your Injustice (generally).

Really the role played by Majerten is similar to the role played by Ogadeen against Marehan in centeal regions.

By that I mean, because of historical "border" conflict (Somalia vs Ethiopia for Marehan and Somaliland vs Somalia for Dhulbahante) both groups faced antagonists who relied on multiple pressures against the two to take advantage of for benefit in a long historical conflict about resource.

So Marehan is facing "Hawiye" groups (particularly Rer Hobyo and Rer Cadaado and Rer Guriceel) and Dhulbahante is facing "Isaaq" groups (Rer Baligubadle and Rer Caynaba and Rer Danood)---with strong, historical conflict of resources predating even the international boundaries and national politics that was being used by the "reero" sometimes even inspite of let alone sanctioned by say the national authority in Hargeisa or Mogadishu...

...and Ogaden and Majerteen come randomly, given the extenuating conflict about resources and land ownership I am currently involved in with heridatary foes who are even directly taking advantage of and being bouyed by the overall national boundary issue as a force multiplication----

And Ogaden instituting a land dispute at that same moment to come and build equity around Fadhigaraadle and Majerten does the same against Dhulbahange to institite at that same moment the start of a land dispute in Boocame.

Walaal, the fact of what you understand when you said "Hassan Ugaas owns the land" clearly recognizing they are not aggressor but offense.-

---in the middle of Dhulbahante in a war of equity with hereditary foes targeting him with conflict for that exact reason "land ownership" is so unforgivable and intensely even more detestable I can tell you personally as Marehan, I never saw Marehan lips so curled against the hereditary foes as I saw their lips furled against Makaahiil and Ogaden.

Colaada between I andy hereditary foes is one where we mutually and freely have identified each other as "belligerants" or party to an existing conflict.

But what OG just did is unforgivable.

So Marehan didn't win the clashes and go home as was done against the hereditary foces, because against Caleen, they sure to win the clash, then intentionally as further punishment seized livestokach even past the point of topic, and then even started hit and run going behind Caleen line and destroying berkedo in their own territory.

Because after all, "kuwaan dagaal cad baa naga dhaxeeye", what level of backstap is this from I placed my unprotected back?


I do not support any proliferation of conflict at all and all the innocents were God's children, but the tone of your address or even how you present is capable of animating extreme response from Dhullo.

Use the context walaal, no contents without context should sver be utilized OR THE BEST

So Marehan didn't win the clashes and go home as was done against the hereditary foces, because against Caleen, they sure to win the clash, then intentionally as further punishment seized livestokach even past the point of topic, and then even started hit and run going behind Caleen line and destroying berkedo in their own territory.

Rageedi. That's the only way to deal with treachery.

Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't mj do the same too against mx? They used the conflict in galmudug to open another front in dollo.

[noer]

Yeah.....you lost all those men and equipment for nothing........now do one

You can continue going back and forth between Sl and PL like a two dollar thai hooker. Keep killing each other, no sweat of our backs

You are still under PL when dealing with international community and your MP’s were picked by Deni.

attention. attention


attention citizens of the ex italian colony. farmajo or gurgurte supporters. bons n hutus

make it easier for gurgurte or farmajo to win ur next federal elections

stop letting dabayaco stealth secessionists steal dolbahanta n wasakhgali seats for the ex italian colony's parliament. no body benefits from this fraud

if ssc seats are treated like the rest of somaliland, gurgurte n farmajo can bid for dolbahanta n wasakhgali votes. dolbahanta also benefit. like the idoor delegates who get paid to pretend to be to be dir in the ex italian colony

[Gubbet]

Sbashi,

Marehan and Majerten have a wonderful and mutually beneficial relationship in Doollo. But yes, the Yamaarugley war of 2000's. And I can tell you I have not seen a clan clash either Marehan was in or concerned Somalis with the casualty rate of Yamaarugley.

And keep in mind Marehan (or rather units of Marehan) have been in at least almost half of the most infamous Somali clan clashes of fhe past two decades since 2000.

Units of Marehan vs Garre @ Ceel-Waaq

Units of Marehan vs Dir @ Xeraale

Units of Mareexaan vs Booran and Degoodie @ Liban/Nageyle

Units of Marehan vs Sacad @ Kaxandhaale

Units of Marehan vs Sacad/Saleebaan @ Dacdheer/Furinta Foore

Units of Marehan vs Cayr @ Gaxandhaale

Units of Marehan vs Gaaljecel @ Beerxaani

Units of Marehan vs Makaahiil @ Neefkuceshe/Caleen

Even the most recent nationally shocking clash, the battle they called "Godka" when 30+ died over Marehan's fury at the Saleebaan stunt of trying to build a berked having just been removed from the berkedo they built since 1991 on land considered by Marehan to be theirs. P.S. It was shocking for a reason many still do not understand, but which Saleebaan may or may not have taken a message from that may or may not have contributed to the cessation of hostilities they signed less than a month later. Basically the "casualty rate" is not necessarily an implication of "richter scale" of the clash but Marehan's "refusal" to acknowledge the "normal" understanding about the "end of battle." Wagardhac came to the location having "adopted" the understanding "prisoners" were not going to be taken. "Every" single individual involved in the drilling would be taken out in the clash they decided---which accounted for the casualty rate and the level of shock ..

And yet of all of these, Yamaarugley leaves in the dust in magnitude because 200 men died in one day's battle clashes.

200.

Remember at that time, Xeraale and Ceel-Waaq had just taken place. Vicious scenes because Marehan would not yield. But Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were not Marehan responding to belligerence from outside or defending their land from aggression. Dir and Garre are our stakeholders. Garre was just as much the land Ceel-waaq was in and Dir were just as much the land Xeraale was in. These entites were as local as you, your historical bosom. They are you and you two are the land. To this day I don't know what the strategic military objective of Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were. I don't think Marehan "started" or "entered" the conflict to uproot them which would have never passed the elders considering under Xaal or gogol or settlement even if Marehan had done the politically and militarily never achieved outcome of ejecting a historical indigenous community through an immediate battle---they would be welcoming them back in the sure to follow gogol/settlement. Basically Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were mindlessness and absolute failure of strategy within----

---and shortly interestingly, the most relevant Marehan settlement closest to Galadi-- Yamaarugley---woke up to an instituted land dispute out of nowhere formed overnight. Possibly attributable to a misunderstanding created by what people didn't understand about Xeraale and Ceel-waaq?

You have to understood people even incredibly joked "Marehan can chase Caydiid from Gedo but can't remove Dir from Xeraale." Somehow it was like quantum physics to understand Caydiid was not from and had nothing to do with Gedo while Dir in Xeraale had their belly buttons burried alongside and as long as any Marehan?"

Yacni Dir in Xeraale or Garre in Ceel-waaq were xpressions of serious "domestic violence" in the home shared between people who valued and affirmed being household unit.

Majerten in Yamaarugley instituting a land dispute was your neighbor attacking your property and the following battles in strategy and outcome immediately reflected all the other clashes of Marehan--responding to external belligerence in.

200 men died because Marehan refused to consider fighting had stopped as long as one single opposing militiaman was "south" of the road connecting Galaadi to Warder.

It was vicious.

But untill that moment and since that moment, there has not even been the appearance of stunts between Marehan and Majerten in Doollo.

I have even come to define their post-Yamaarugley clash and settlement so stabilizing in such a natural way that I have come to believe there should be a serious scholarly research study on Marehan and Majerten "xeer" there to see if there are possibly replicable lessons that can successfully impact other groups in contested grazing zones

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Sbashi,

Marehan and Majerten have a wonderful and mutually beneficial relationship in Doollo. But yes, the Yamaarugley war of 2000's. And I can tell you I have not seen a clan clash either Marehan was in or concerned Somalis with the casualty rate of Yamaarugley.

And keep in mind Marehan (or rather units of Marehan) have been in at least almost half of the most infamous Somali clan clashes of fhe past two decades since 2000.

Units of Marehan vs Garre @ Ceel-Waaq

Units of Marehan vs Dir @ Xeraale

Units of Mareexaan vs Booran and Degoodie @ Liban/Nageyle

Units of Marehan vs Sacad @ Kaxandhaale

Units of Marehan vs Sacad/Saleebaan @ Dacdheer/Furinta Foore

Units of Marehan vs Cayr @ Gaxandhaale

Units of Marehan vs Gaaljecel @ Beerxaani

Units of Marehan vs Makaahiil @ Neefkuceshe/Caleen

Even the most recent nationally shocking clash, the battle they called "Godka" when 30+ died over Marehan's fury at the Saleebaan stunt of trying to build a berked having just been removed from the berkedo they built since 1991 on land considered by Marehan to be theirs. P.S. It was shocking for a reason many still do not understand, but which Saleebaan may or may not have taken a message from that may or may not have contributed to the cessation of hostilities they signed less than a month later. Basically the "casualty rate" is not necessarily an implication of "richter scale" of the clash but Marehan's "refusal" to acknowledge the "normal" understanding about the "end of battle." Wagardhac came to the location having "adopted" the understanding "prisoners" were not going to be taken. "Every" single individual involved in the drilling would be taken out in the clash they decided---which accounted for the casualty rate and the level of shock ..

And yet of all of these, Yamaarugley leaves in the dust in magnitude because 200 men died in one day's battle clashes.

200.

Remember at that time, Xeraale and Ceel-Waaq had just taken place. Vicious scenes because Marehan would not yield. But Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were not Marehan responding to belligerence from outside or defending their land from aggression. Dir and Garre are our stakeholders. Garre was just as much the land Ceel-waaq was in and Dir were just as much the land Xeraale was in. These entites were as local as you, your historical bosom. They are you and you two are the land. To this day I don't know what the strategic military objective of Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were. I don't think Marehan "started" or "entered" the conflict to uproot them which would have never passed the elders considering under Xaal or gogol or settlement even if Marehan had done the politically and militarily never achieved outcome of ejecting a historical indigenous community through an immediate battle---they would be welcoming them back in the sure to follow gogol/settlement. Basically Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were mindlessness and absolute failure of strategy within----

---and shortly interestingly, the most relevant Marehan settlement closest to Galadi-- Yamaarugley---woke up to an instituted land dispute out of nowhere formed overnight. Possibly attributable to a misunderstanding created by what people didn't understand about Xeraale and Ceel-waaq?

You have to understood people even incredibly joked "Marehan can chase Caydiid from Gedo but can't remove Dir from Xeraale." Somehow it was like quantum physics to understand Caydiid was not from and had nothing to do with Gedo while Dir in Xeraale had their belly buttons burried alongside and as long as any Marehan?"

Yacni Dir in Xeraale or Garre in Ceel-waaq were xpressions of serious "domestic violence" in the home shared between people who valued and affirmed being household unit.

Majerten in Yamaarugley instituting a land dispute was your neighbor attacking your property and the following battles in strategy and outcome immediately reflected all the other clashes of Marehan--responding to external belligerence in.

200 men died because Marehan refused to consider fighting had stopped as long as one single opposing militiaman was "south" of the road connecting Galaadi to Warder.

It was vicious.

But untill that moment and since that moment, there has not even been the appearance of stunts between Marehan and Majerten in Doollo.

I have even come to define their post-Yamaarugley clash and settlement so stabilizing in such a natural way that there should be a serious scholarly research study on Marehan and Majerten "xeer" there to see if there are possibly replicable lessons that can successfully impact other groups in contested grazing zones

This is why they hate us sxb. Somebody gotta be the wolf in the family. As long it’s us disciplining them and nobody else. They know the rules

[Gubbet]

Yeah.....you lost all those men and equipment for nothing........now do one

You can continue going back and forth between Sl and PL like a two dollar thai hooker. Keep killing each other, no sweat of our backs

You are still under PL when dealing with international community and your MP’s were picked by Deni.

attention. attention


attention citizens of the ex italian colony. farmajo or gurgurte supporters. bons n hutus

make it easier for gurgurte or farmajo to win ur next federal elections

stop letting dabayaco stealth secessionists steal dolbahanta n wasakhgali seats for the ex italian colony's parliament. no body benefits from this fraud

if ssc seats are treated like the rest of somaliland, gurgurte n farmajo can bid for dolbahanta n wasakhgali votes. dolbahanta also benefit. like the idoor delegates who get paid to pretend to be to be dir in the ex italian colony

You are angry at me because I have touched an equity of profound subjective consideration. I cannot help forming this realization considering the sharp and unique divergence presented by your long, very long good faith address towards me.

0H £h ®®

[Ghiklo]

Gubbet,

You have got to stop making assumptions. The fighting has only been going on for 1-2 years. The fighting started at Birta Dheer an MJ settlement in Nugaal. We have never fought them as they were fighting Isaaq. In fact, this tuulo was under PL for a while.

[Gubbet]

Ghiklo,

My position is no single berked, no single inflatable even kiddie pool should have been built by Majerteen on any single cm of Dhulbahante land.

Dhulbahante is a man targeted by Covid and has survived Critical Care in Intensive Care Unit to be in stable treatment in a ward.

He should never have to be confronted by "how" to respond to an healthy and privileged man who has come down with mild flu symptoms and somehow does not internalize he should not be coughing congested possibly Flu-virue laden coughs in the environment of the aforementioned gentlemen.

Yes, this is a relevant way of explanation since Marehan would be a Covid patient in recovery and understands the situation for what it is.

[juelz]

Two dhulbahante militias are in the district one supporting SNM and the other Puntland. Majerteen has nothing to do with this embarrassment, there will come a day when dhulbahante will realize they have handed over all their land over to SNM and there is no way back.

[Gubbet]

Correct Juelz, about the reference to 2.

Let's try this with different characters.

When the Wagardhac Galmudug Dhabad are approached by Saleebaan...."hey now that we have a peace treaty and everything is fine, so what about grazing the good shoots you got in Dacdheer there starting near the border and there.."

The Wagardhac Ethiopian Liyu police at Dacdheer will interject "Saleebaan, you are Galmudug Somalia, and the Wagardhac Dhabad there are Galmudug Somalia. Please keep your discussion about Somalia and Galmudug. This is Ethiopia. Wagardhac Dhabad Somalia doesn't have any more powers to speak for Wagardhac Dacdheer Ethiopia grazing."

So now Wagardhac Dhabad Somalia turns to Saleebaan



"That answers any question about what I can do about grazing, I have as much powers as you---- but on the matter of the peace accord, here I have some ideas about how to make sure we both keep our side of the highway crime free...



Later, Wagardhac/rer Wardheere/Dhabad ringing Wagardhac/rer Gediid/Dhacdheer

"War Dhubad Xaashiyoow, WARAN JINNI NAGU DHAC,war 25kii sanoo lasoo dhaafay maxaaan u fahmi waynay waxakan ee xataa nimankii madmadooba oo maryaha wasakhdal lahaa anagu nagu isticmaalayeen ka waran anageey nagu isticmaalayeen waa inaga waxa dhanba gees ka gees ka turjuna cidda dhaxal u leh, WAR WARAN JINNI NAGU DHAC, TIMACAS IYO TUURCASOOW qoodhiin iyo xeradiin, YAAAH..."



And who are Wagardhac/Rer Wardheere and Wagardhac/Rer Gediid

Waa wada Mareexaan, waa wada Wagardhac, waa isku laf, waa isku jilib, waa xataa hal qoys "Bihina Gacal."



Dhulbahante knows what he is doing.

[theyuusuf143]

Ghiklo,

My position is no single berked, no single inflatable even kiddie pool should have been built by Majerteen on any single cm of Dhulbahante land.

Dhulbahante is a man targeted by Covid and has survived Critical Care in Intensive Care Unit to be in stable treatment in a ward.

He should never have to be confronted by "how" to respond to an healthy and privileged man who has come down with mild flu symptoms and somehow does not internalize he should not be coughing congested possibly Flu-virue laden coughs in the environment of the aforementioned gentlemen.

Yes, this is a relevant way of explanation since Marehan would be a Covid patient in recovery and understands the situation for what it is.

The fact that ciise maxamuud are trying to have permanent settlement in sool Is the reason why puntland lost everything. The xasan ugaas clan knows isaaqs have no plans or intention to have berkado in eastern sool. For that reason xasan ugaas are cleverly using the national army to protect their grazing land from the ciise maxamuud Intruders. What most koonfurians do not understand is 100% of the dhulbahante in eastern sool have the same goals as the troops of somaliland. That goal is to keep the border clean. If the guy from gebiley or borama and the guy in boocame believe in the same border then somaliland have an advantage over puntland. Such kind of mutual interest doesn't exist between. Puntland troops and the local people , in reality it's the opposite. Hassan ugaas fear for their land when they see puntland troops. But they feel comfortable around the JSL army . An other thing is the money involved somaliland troops spend too much money in every tuulo they pay visit to. This money boosts the local economy . If you had small restaurant with 10 customers that number jumps to hundreds when the army is based in your tuulo. Plus all local unemployed youth gets job as well.

[theyuusuf143]

This just confirmed my held beliefs that with DULBHANTE both putland and Somaliland can’t set foot in SSC.

Of course people got the power. The only difference is somaliland knows dhulbante better than puntland knows about dhulbahante.

Dhulbahante has been part of Somaliland system over 130 years , that's very long time plus the hundreds of years they lived with isaaq side by side. This level of social social interaction never existed between MJ and Dhulbante.

[Ghiklo]

This had nothing to do with SL. This was a dispute between DBlock subclans and MJ. For the 100th time, the fighting started at Birta Dheer, Nugaal. How are we trying to expand when the fighting started in our land? You will not find a single Hassan Ugaas in Birta Dheer. It's 100% an MJ tuulo.

Hassan Ugaas has historically been friendly with us. This is literally the first conflict.

[Khalid Ali]

mj tried to invade there are no mjs in sool region any part of sool there are no mjs, its stricktly dhulabante territory
it has everything to do with SL , dhulbahante is a Somaliland clan , and they get support from angles of Somaliland against the mj agressors

[MrSinister]

Keep in mind, Muse Jeegan is trying to distract his own people especially the garxajis from his power grab. The dhulbahante seem to be happy to help him for a few Pennies.

This is not about land disputes. Land disputes can be solved peacefully and there are mechanism to do that. This is a group of mercenaries who have a habit of taking bribes and selling themselves to the highest bidder, and the Qaldaans are more motivated to bribe them.

[skywalker25]

Sbashi,

Marehan and Majerten have a wonderful and mutually beneficial relationship in Doollo. But yes, the Yamaarugley war of 2000's. And I can tell you I have not seen a clan clash either Marehan was in or concerned Somalis with the casualty rate of Yamaarugley.

And keep in mind Marehan (or rather units of Marehan) have been in at least almost half of the most infamous Somali clan clashes of fhe past two decades since 2000.

Units of Marehan vs Garre @ Ceel-Waaq

Units of Marehan vs Dir @ Xeraale

Units of Mareexaan vs Booran and Degoodie @ Liban/Nageyle

Units of Marehan vs Sacad @ Kaxandhaale

Units of Marehan vs Sacad/Saleebaan @ Dacdheer/Furinta Foore

Units of Marehan vs Cayr @ Gaxandhaale

Units of Marehan vs Gaaljecel @ Beerxaani

Units of Marehan vs Makaahiil @ Neefkuceshe/Caleen

Even the most recent nationally shocking clash, the battle they called "Godka" when 30+ died over Marehan's fury at the Saleebaan stunt of trying to build a berked having just been removed from the berkedo they built since 1991 on land considered by Marehan to be theirs. P.S. It was shocking for a reason many still do not understand, but which Saleebaan may or may not have taken a message from that may or may not have contributed to the cessation of hostilities they signed less than a month later. Basically the "casualty rate" is not necessarily an implication of "richter scale" of the clash but Marehan's "refusal" to acknowledge the "normal" understanding about the "end of battle." Wagardhac came to the location having "adopted" the understanding "prisoners" were not going to be taken. "Every" single individual involved in the drilling would be taken out in the clash they decided---which accounted for the casualty rate and the level of shock ..

And yet of all of these, Yamaarugley leaves in the dust in magnitude because 200 men died in one day's battle clashes.

200.

Remember at that time, Xeraale and Ceel-Waaq had just taken place. Vicious scenes because Marehan would not yield. But Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were not Marehan responding to belligerence from outside or defending their land from aggression. Dir and Garre are our stakeholders. Garre was just as much the land Ceel-waaq was in and Dir were just as much the land Xeraale was in. These entites were as local as you, your historical bosom. They are you and you two are the land. To this day I don't know what the strategic military objective of Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were. I don't think Marehan "started" or "entered" the conflict to uproot them which would have never passed the elders considering under Xaal or gogol or settlement even if Marehan had done the politically and militarily never achieved outcome of ejecting a historical indigenous community through an immediate battle---they would be welcoming them back in the sure to follow gogol/settlement. Basically Xeraale and Ceel-waaq were mindlessness and absolute failure of strategy within----

---and shortly interestingly, the most relevant Marehan settlement closest to Galadi-- Yamaarugley---woke up to an instituted land dispute out of nowhere formed overnight. Possibly attributable to a misunderstanding created by what people didn't understand about Xeraale and Ceel-waaq?

You have to understood people even incredibly joked "Marehan can chase Caydiid from Gedo but can't remove Dir from Xeraale." Somehow it was like quantum physics to understand Caydiid was not from and had nothing to do with Gedo while Dir in Xeraale had their belly buttons burried alongside and as long as any Marehan?"

Yacni Dir in Xeraale or Garre in Ceel-waaq were xpressions of serious "domestic violence" in the home shared between people who valued and affirmed being household unit.

Majerten in Yamaarugley instituting a land dispute was your neighbor attacking your property and the following battles in strategy and outcome immediately reflected all the other clashes of Marehan--responding to external belligerence in.

200 men died because Marehan refused to consider fighting had stopped as long as one single opposing militiaman was "south" of the road connecting Galaadi to Warder.

It was vicious.

But untill that moment and since that moment, there has not even been the appearance of stunts between Marehan and Majerten in Doollo.

I have even come to define their post-Yamaarugley clash and settlement so stabilizing in such a natural way that I have come to believe there should be a serious scholarly research study on Marehan and Majerten "xeer" there to see if there are possibly replicable lessons that can successfully impact other groups in contested grazing zones

This nigga got to be trolling the forum.

How's he interjecting his irrelevant subtribe's local issues to a subject matter with zero relevance. This issues concerns Dhulbahnte/Marehaan/Isaaq or Somaliland/Puntlnd. what has ''200 men being killed'' got to do with it. infact you could say its the total opposite as Somaliland has stopped the situation escalating. Voltage take your medicine, real talk..