Prime minister Hamza Abdi Barre in Aadan Yabaal

[eliteSomali]

Do you know what the funny thing is? They have this narrative of Hamza Abdi Barre being abused and threatened by HSM .

Hamza abdi was working with HSM 20 years ago. He was part of HSM's campaign in his first tenure etc.

These people are uneducated Jaahils. There's no getting through their thick heads with reason and logic. In what world does it make sense for a person to want there to be a nonstop conflict between the two highest officials of his country when all that does is handicap the country, and worsen existing problems like insecurity, poverty, etc...

All they care about is their little faan sessions they have in their local coffee shops in a country that isn't theirs. waa cawaan waxani.

This is the reason why you are known as doqonki ogadeen.

waa aduun macaankii ka dhamaaday hadii ninkii ka shaqeeya danaha ummada iyo hormarkooda nin doqon ah.

[balwarama]

The PM will be demoted to a Jubaland official when Ahmed Madoobe retires. HSM and his Hiraab/Abgaal squad will not be allowed to pass on power to some underling figure, i would rather Abshir Bukhaari become President. Nimankaan Hiraab haday Murursade iyo Hawiye kale kursi u diidanyihiin iga walle kursigga haku dhegaano don't disrespect us further by putting new clans in positions of power oo wax kasta nagasii fogaynayso. Daarood intuu kuu shaqeeyo ma xuma laakin madaxweyne hanoqdee beri mid dabaalaa idinku kor dhaantayn doono dulmi kastoo cidiisa ku kacdo. Never again. I was against their PM announcement seeing how politically xenophobic they are in Kilil5 but at this stage they are the lesser of evils of all their subclans, inshallah they continue upon their natural qabyaalad trajectory there, enough to reach the eyes of the sleeping southerner oo hadhaw oran doona dal kasta dadkiisa u badan aa madax ka noqda orod tag Ogaadeenya waa meeshaa u badantahaye dalka Soomaaliyeed Hawiyaa u badan Hawiyaana kursiga haysan doona sida IOG. Xishoodka waa laga baxay.

Hawiye is minority in Somalia. Both numerically and Degaanwise. Abgaal is one of their biggest clans and lives in tiny Middle Shabeele, parts of Galgaduud and Xamar, only.
Also historically, Hawiye is insignificant. And once we snatch the Capital City from them and move it somewhere else, they will be politically lightweight.
They will not be more important than Rahanwein.
Now Mogadishu is allowing them to punch above their weight and hold the entire political process and state building, hostage.

Muduloo live in Jubbooyinka to Mudug to Ethiopia.

All Hawiye bigwigs including Abgaal are claiming to be Jubbalanders because of one single Tuulo, called Turdho, under Jamaame District
Even Habargidir, Sacad is claiming ownership of that same Tuulo. You will get what ever that Tuulo, buys for you but I'm afraid Biyomaal who own Jamaame will have none of it.

[balwarama]

Look I respect Abgaal but that guy needs not to badmouth us. And we should respect each other's boundaries. We have too much to handle, now in Jubbaland and we are not looking for beef with Mogadishu. We also aren't gonna tolerate any trespassing from your part. Let us move Somalia forward so that we can compete with and outshine our neighbors.
We also need to think about the future of the Somali people who are at risk of disappearing.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Look I respect Abgaal but that guy needs not to badmouth us. And we should respect each other's boundaries. We have too much to handle, now in Jubbaland and we are not looking for beef with Mogadishu. We also aren't gonna tolerate any trespassing from your part. Let us move Somalia forward so that we can compete with and outshine our neighbors.
We also need to think about the future of the Somali people who are at risk of disappearing.

There's an mudulood subclan called maxamed Mudulood who live nowhere else in Somalia than JL. Turdho is outside Jilib not Jamaame. Personally I don't claim JL but we do live there infact. Aniga waxa ii xisaabsan from LS to Harardheere

[theyuusuf143]

Hawiye is minority in Somalia. Both numerically and Degaanwise. Abgaal is one of their biggest clans and lives in tiny Middle Shabeele, parts of Galgaduud and Xamar, only.
Also historically, Hawiye is insignificant. And once we snatch the Capital City from them and move it somewhere else, they will be politically lightweight.
They will not be more important than Rahanwein.
Now Mogadishu is allowing them to punch above their weight and hold the entire political process and state building, hostage.

Once "we" snatch the capital city you and whose army, Xamar Godey maaha where a minority qaldaan moved your own caasimad, waxa aad webiga Jubba sokor ugu shubi jirtay baanu hada garanay. Dalka Somalia magaca awoowgay (Samaale) ayaaba iskaleh ee awooda aa adigu laftarkaa haysatay Somalinimadeenaa ku heshaye af wax cunay xishood. Marxuumka oo Jubaland loo diraa kaaga dhow kursi madaxtooyo, Kismaayana oo gacan dowladeed gashato ayaa kaaga dhow.

Not just Godey, but they even tried to make qabridahare the capital and we said NO. Cagdheer never wanted jigjiga to be the capital. But isaaq led non cagdheers like jidwaaq, gadabursi and ciise wanted jigjiga.

[Gubbet]

The PM will be demoted to a Jubaland official when Ahmed Madoobe retires. HSM and his Hiraab/Abgaal squad will not be allowed to pass on power to some underling figure, i would rather Abshir Bukhaari become President. Nimankaan Hiraab haday Murursade iyo Hawiye kale kursi u diidanyihiin iga walle kursigga haku dhegaano don't disrespect us further by putting new clans in positions of power oo wax kasta nagasii fogaynayso. Daarood intuu kuu shaqeeyo ma xuma laakin madaxweyne hanoqdee beri mid dabaalaa idinku kor dhaantayn doono dulmi kastoo cidiisa ku kacdo. Never again. I was against their PM announcement seeing how politically xenophobic they are in Kilil5 but at this stage they are the lesser of evils of all their subclans, inshallah they continue upon their natural qabyaalad trajectory there, enough to reach the eyes of the sleeping southerner oo hadhaw oran doona dal kasta dadkiisa u badan aa madax ka noqda orod tag Ogaadeenya waa meeshaa u badantahaye dalka Soomaaliyeed Hawiyaa u badan Hawiyaana kursiga haysan doona sida IOG. Xishoodka waa laga baxay.

Hawiye is minority in Somalia. Both numerically and Degaanwise. Abgaal is one of their biggest clans and lives in tiny Middle Shabeele, parts of Galgaduud and Xamar, only.
Also historically, Hawiye is insignificant. And once we snatch the Capital City from them and move it somewhere else, they will be politically lightweight.
They will not be more important than Rahanwein.
Now Mogadishu is allowing them to punch above their weight and hold the entire political process and state building, hostage.

Wallahi Balwarama waa nin rag ah. Sxb I dig how you turned around to slap around Owqariib and his cuqdad Daarood.

[Gubbet]

All Hawiye bigwigs including Abgaal are claiming to be Jubbalanders because of one single Tuulo, called Turdho, under Jamaame District
Even Habargidir, Sacad is claiming ownership of that same Tuulo. You will get what ever that Tuulo, buys for you but I'm afraid Biyomaal who own Jamaame will have none of it.

Waan la yaabay tuuladaas Turdho. She's like the special courtesan in a house of delight--seemingly having been experienced by so many traveling vagabonds; who never seem to have forgotten her smell and imagine their destiny beside her rut-stained bedsheets. Arrinta "Turdo" dhilaysi dhaaftay.

[theyuusuf143]

Irir samaale are coming for jubaland. Jamaame is already an isaaq stronghold (read biimaal) my awaaw owns some plots in jilib.

[Gubbet]

Somalia's entire problem has been historical revision.

These are two of the "official" Italian "administrative" maps put out by the Italian Foreign Minister (Ministero Degli Affari Esteri) with the "stamp" of the Government of Italian Somaliland (Governo Della Somalia Italiana) both in 1912.

They are scientific "on the ground" spatial analysis contracted to the Geographical Society of Italy (Societa Geografico Italiana)---the Italian version of Britain's "Royal Geographical Society."

Both show "Marehan" as the inhabitants of today's "Jamaame" district.


It is like how history has been revised in Gedo to reimagine "Siad Barre brought Marehan to Gedo to disposesses Digil & Mirifle" when there were NO SOMALIS BEYOND THE JUBBA (or almost 90% of Jubbaland) when Marehan removed Oromo/Borana/Wardey from the land bringing it for the first time under "Somali" control in the 1800's!

[That Marehan was also "sole" possessor of the territory between Lugh and Bardere, exactly "Gedo Region" today, in "beyond the Jubba" is also reflected.]

These representations are part of the then Italian administrative demographic project entitled "Official Colonial Study" (Ufficie Studi Coloniali).

Map#1



Map #2




Irirism is the biggest perpetuation of "heritage appropriation" when by all accounts they simply followed the conquest of Darod in the "name" of Somali and even accessed a share of the "Darod spoil" taking advantage of shared "Somalinimo"---yet between the rise of "Irirism" in the 1950's until the "Google/Information Age" they tried their utmost to appropriate the "heritage" of the Victors who even entitled their "entitlement to the land beyond the Jubba" through the brotherhood of "Somalinimo"---once again, the same "Somalinimo" they then turned around to try to "disinherit" Darod from inorder to "disappropriate" them from the ownership of the original "spoil" brought by their Conquest!

Waa yaab!

[OwQariib]

Not just Godey, but they even tried to make qabridahare the capital and we said NO. Cagdheer never wanted jigjiga to be the capital. But isaaq led non cagdheers like jidwaaq, gadabursi and ciise wanted jigjiga.

Jigjiga waa a former Amhara camp as an outpost for Harar region. Ethiopia is likely to have pulled strings for that to happen. Ha iska riyoodo, someone once said you can read certain comments in here and it sounds like a statement in 2003. Dad hore u soconaya uma eko. I have to say it is a shame the CBB have gone as far as calling to join Ethiopia. That use to be something a self serving politician given money would say, but what has turned an ordinary Somali into a highly treasonous character is poison! I know i bash Darods, Isaaq and sometimes Hawiye but if they or anyone else held a kursi through karti, respect or even by xoog i would not call to become Ethiopian, you fight for your rights or make a political settlement.

[Gubbet]

Walaal, adigaan kaaga tagay "Soomaalinimadaada." Sagaashan sanaan "Soomaalinimo" u gubanayay warrankii iigu darnaane adigaa dhabarka iigaga dhuftay!

As they say elsewhere---Never Again.

[OwQariib]

Walaal, adigaan kaaga tagay "Soomaalinimadaada." Sagaashan sanaan "Soomaalinimo" u gubanayay warrankii iigu darnaane adigaa dhabarka iigaga dhuftay!

As they say elsewhere---Never Again.

To be honest gar waa leedahay, HSM and Hawiye are soft on SL secession and that sets an example for every region challenging Xamar. I don't care how much i hear about a 5 day state in the 60's it was never a conditional settlement for them to join Somalia. But my comment was just kaftan with balwarama he believes in a Darod Arab ancestor proselytizing Somalis and i am pointing out from his own traditions the Samaale people who preceded him is where the culture, language, features, genes and everything that is Somali comes from. Guul Daarood hadaad wadani noqotiin and shed this anti Somali behaviour, hadii kale ajnabi doon ku yimid baa nahay dhaha dalka wax kuma lihin then we may look to repatriate

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Walaal, adigaan kaaga tagay "Soomaalinimadaada." Sagaashan sanaan "Soomaalinimo" u gubanayay warrankii iigu darnaane adigaa dhabarka iigaga dhuftay!

As they say elsewhere---Never Again.

They just mad we figured out their con. And we won’t make Reuben or Esau’s mistake in selling the family birthright for cheap. The blessed and righteous are the ones who keep their forefather’s inheritance for the family. Not tryna to impose fascism through force. They want us to do everything for them. When they hate us the most. How’s that “Somalinimo.” Jaale, you tried it in less than 6 months and the whole country is uncomfortable with the capital. Extremely toxic politics and I’m not even a politician. And our eyes are open now for the first time in 30 years post kacaan

[Gubbet]

Walaal, adigaan kaaga tagay "Soomaalinimadaada." Sagaashan sanaan "Soomaalinimo" u gubanayay warrankii iigu darnaane adigaa dhabarka iigaga dhuftay!

As they say elsewhere---Never Again.

To be honest gar waa leedahay, HSM and Hawiye are soft on SL secession and that sets an example for every region challenging Xamar. I don't care how much i hear about a 5 day state in the 60's it was never a conditional settlement for them to join Somalia. But my comment was just kaftan with balwarama he believes in a Darod Arab ancestor proselytizing Somalis and i am pointing out from his own traditions the Samaale people who preceded him is where the culture, language, features, genes and everything that is Somali comes from. Guul Daarood hadaad wadani noqotiin and shed this anti Somali behaviour, hadii kale ajnabi doon ku yimid baa nahay dhaha dalka wax kuma lihin then we may look to repatriate

My personal genetic tests as a Darod gives me a paternal haplotype of E-V32 with an mtDNA of U3a1.



The vast, overwhelming results from other Darod, with diversity almost down to "statistical noise", has similar paternal haplotype implicated within the E-V32 results shared with 77% of nomadic Somalis.

There is no, or negligible, "Arab/non-Somali originated" Darod and furthermore, just as poignant if not even more so, given the contrast with Dir and paternal haplotype T association, there is no genetic or blood descent "Irir" justaxposed against "Darood" or implicating whatever origins has been alluded to by "Samaale."

Darod---and I would even say specifically as Marehan, confirmed as E-V32, given the historical length of recorded corroboration implicating us within a Somali people; were a Samaale to mean an original Somali, nevermind someone using it against me to "otherize" me, I would be among an original heralder of the formation of "Samaale" itself!

Like above and Jubbaland; it is very obviously easy to surmise a "reappropriation" has taken place, oddly in this instance made possible by the post-Islam Darod allusion to "Shariffite" origins activated by linking love of Islam and closeness to the Prophet as representing what is "Noble; but, nevertheless, then leading to the place conversely abdicated by Daroda to become a useful tool for the disparate members of Somali ethnic hood in their responses to the disproportionate historical influence and impact of Darod "within" the Somali people.

The reappropriation of "Samaale" or "Irir" is just a sociological response to the competition "in-group" (Somalis) specifically as a tool against historically corroborated Darod "disproportionate impact."

I am not really interested in arguing about what this means or meant nor I or someone else perpetuating vainglory as a motivation.

Whether one "loves" it or "despises" it---objective historical analysis is resolute on the points underlying the historical presumption pointed above.

So what was is beside the point---the "how" such a reappropriation manifested itself is the relevance.

[Gubbet]

Walaal, adigaan kaaga tagay "Soomaalinimadaada." Sagaashan sanaan "Soomaalinimo" u gubanayay warrankii iigu darnaane adigaa dhabarka iigaga dhuftay!

As they say elsewhere---Never Again.

They just mad we figured out their con. And we won’t make Reuben or Esau’s mistake in selling the family birthright for cheap. The blessed and righteous are the ones who keep their forefather’s inheritance for the family. Not tryna to impose fascism through force. They want us to do everything for them. When they hate us the most. How’s that “Somalinimo.” Jaale, you tried it in less than 6 months and the whole country is uncomfortable with the capital. Extremely toxic politics and I’m not even a politician. And our eyes are open now for the first time in 30 years post kacaan

I ain't the only in reassessment it seems.