no research project.. i assure you
its just every action was an example to muslims.
now what innocents were you talking about,
the poor jews in Khaybar?,
The Backstabbers in Medina?
who?
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Gurey
Your first statement was sufficient: Lakum Dinukum Waliya Diin...under these circumtances.
Galol knows what needs to be known about Islam(unlike a christian, a Jew or someone who knows nothing about Islam), but he simply chose to misrappresent the facts, twist them, spin and get involved in a smear campaign against Muhamed CSW and Islam...all we can do is catch his fabrications and offer a better/truth explanations for those who are inclined to accept/swallow anyone who is selling any kind of paint(you know even G.Bush sold it to half of the Americans)...
The irony is that if he finds that you are a civilized person who tolerates/debates(so I say its always better to say recites "Lakum Dinikum")...he'll always streotype you as a fence sitter or as they're now calling a closeted atheist......I say they're the closeted muslims...but they're chickens to confess that why else would they talk about Islam 24/7???.
Your first statement was sufficient: Lakum Dinukum Waliya Diin...under these circumtances.
Galol knows what needs to be known about Islam(unlike a christian, a Jew or someone who knows nothing about Islam), but he simply chose to misrappresent the facts, twist them, spin and get involved in a smear campaign against Muhamed CSW and Islam...all we can do is catch his fabrications and offer a better/truth explanations for those who are inclined to accept/swallow anyone who is selling any kind of paint(you know even G.Bush sold it to half of the Americans)...
The irony is that if he finds that you are a civilized person who tolerates/debates(so I say its always better to say recites "Lakum Dinikum")...he'll always streotype you as a fence sitter or as they're now calling a closeted atheist......I say they're the closeted muslims...but they're chickens to confess that why else would they talk about Islam 24/7???.
Cawar
What I find fascinating is that Muslims claim to be truthful and that lying is Haram yet they will lie quite readily to `protect' as they see it the lies in their own faith.
Lakum Dinakum shows Mushmmed as a manipulator, as diplomat an opportunist. It also shows his ruthless side. He said lakum dinakum when he entered Mecca. He allowed Pagans to worship their Gods because he did not want a revolt on his hands. Within six months every pagan tempel has been turned into a mosque by force and within a year the motto changed dramatically: Become a Muslim or lose your head.
Now that is not spinning, that is not "misrepresenation, that is a historic fact which gurey knows and you probably know too.
So how do explain Muhammed's change of heart? Or perhaps he did not change his heart it was just as I said: tactical manipulation.
What I find fascinating is that Muslims claim to be truthful and that lying is Haram yet they will lie quite readily to `protect' as they see it the lies in their own faith.
Lakum Dinakum shows Mushmmed as a manipulator, as diplomat an opportunist. It also shows his ruthless side. He said lakum dinakum when he entered Mecca. He allowed Pagans to worship their Gods because he did not want a revolt on his hands. Within six months every pagan tempel has been turned into a mosque by force and within a year the motto changed dramatically: Become a Muslim or lose your head.
Now that is not spinning, that is not "misrepresenation, that is a historic fact which gurey knows and you probably know too.
So how do explain Muhammed's change of heart? Or perhaps he did not change his heart it was just as I said: tactical manipulation.
People's opinion of my convictions are the furthest thing from my mind, let alone the ones here whom I have no personal acquintance with. I have more pressing issues to ponder, like is there another shade of gray? 
Galol, I see nothing wrong with religion itself, it provides an idea to the preplexing questions about the ultimate meaning of life. It's teachings help people cope with life's uncertainity and provide a source of tranquility for the impending hereafter. Not in the same context as Marx though, who stated religion is the opium for the people, the scape route for the opressed working class.
In any case at the end of the day it's really about, where are we going after this, what was the purpose of it all; birth, life, death? Science unfortuantely is only qualified to measure tangible causes and effects, it can never asnwer those funademental questions or even refute the existance of God for that matter. I remember in one of my Social behavorial courses, we read about this interesting expirment done by some Doctors somewhere in Asia, to women who were trying and couldn't get pregnant, some were prayed for without their knowledge to eliminate heightened hope, and others weren't prayed for without their knowledge as well, and they found the first group became pregnant twice as often as the 2nd group. Interesting eh? And we're talking about over 200 women.
Sure Religions are suposed to provide social bond, uniting believers in a community that shares perspectives, fosters equality and common morality, but it also has serious glitches. Most of the major ones marginalize non-whites, non-Arabs or non-Jews (basically the blacks) an indication of racism. Treatment of women as 2nd class citizens, another indication that it's man made. A 3rd bad one; It has become the perfect psychological tool to confuse people and exploit their fears to advance the ambitious's agenda; Most of the past rulers and all of todays.
Galol, I see nothing wrong with religion itself, it provides an idea to the preplexing questions about the ultimate meaning of life. It's teachings help people cope with life's uncertainity and provide a source of tranquility for the impending hereafter. Not in the same context as Marx though, who stated religion is the opium for the people, the scape route for the opressed working class.
In any case at the end of the day it's really about, where are we going after this, what was the purpose of it all; birth, life, death? Science unfortuantely is only qualified to measure tangible causes and effects, it can never asnwer those funademental questions or even refute the existance of God for that matter. I remember in one of my Social behavorial courses, we read about this interesting expirment done by some Doctors somewhere in Asia, to women who were trying and couldn't get pregnant, some were prayed for without their knowledge to eliminate heightened hope, and others weren't prayed for without their knowledge as well, and they found the first group became pregnant twice as often as the 2nd group. Interesting eh? And we're talking about over 200 women.
Sure Religions are suposed to provide social bond, uniting believers in a community that shares perspectives, fosters equality and common morality, but it also has serious glitches. Most of the major ones marginalize non-whites, non-Arabs or non-Jews (basically the blacks) an indication of racism. Treatment of women as 2nd class citizens, another indication that it's man made. A 3rd bad one; It has become the perfect psychological tool to confuse people and exploit their fears to advance the ambitious's agenda; Most of the past rulers and all of todays.
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I personally think religion falls into these 3 groups
1) Pure persuit of power, sex, and wealth. You can use religion to control people when you claim to be a prophet or God. If you have people who will die for you, then you need nothing else if you were persuing power. You can also have all the wealth you want in the world.
2) Religion also brings order to societies were crime and immorality is rampant.
3) The Religion actually might be a true religion or its founder believes its a true religion and it is purely out of good heart.
From my observations it has generally served as a good thing to the world. Without it, there would be no boundaries for most people and many terrible things would have happened. Some people are born purely evil, and who can control them if not religion?
1) Pure persuit of power, sex, and wealth. You can use religion to control people when you claim to be a prophet or God. If you have people who will die for you, then you need nothing else if you were persuing power. You can also have all the wealth you want in the world.
2) Religion also brings order to societies were crime and immorality is rampant.
3) The Religion actually might be a true religion or its founder believes its a true religion and it is purely out of good heart.
From my observations it has generally served as a good thing to the world. Without it, there would be no boundaries for most people and many terrible things would have happened. Some people are born purely evil, and who can control them if not religion?
Galol
I dont know why you like to lie...but what you just said about the prophet CSW and what he did in Mecca is not true. I will provide the true history someother time(as I dont have much time now) if you want. But I dont know...it really beats me as what you are getting from these lies and total spinning of the real story??? Maybe money?? i have no other plausible explanation.
Demure
"Most of the major ones marginalize non-whites, non-Arabs or non-Jews (basically the blacks) an indication of racism. Treatment of women as 2nd class citizens, another indication that it's man made. A 3rd bad one; It has become the perfect psychological tool to confuse people and exploit their fears to advance the ambitious's agenda; Most of the past rulers and all of todays."
I dont know about other religions...but Islam(not muslims...for all i know galol could claim to be a muslim) does not marginalize blacks, does not consider women as secd. class citizens and for sure as hell is not a man made religion.
Now if for some reasons you are a Pan-Africanist, Femminist and for Equality(from a white mans perspective) I perfectly can undestand your view...but Pleeeeeeeeese dont confuse religious believes with personal and narrow view of how the world(the Ideal) should be!!!!
I dont know why you like to lie...but what you just said about the prophet CSW and what he did in Mecca is not true. I will provide the true history someother time(as I dont have much time now) if you want. But I dont know...it really beats me as what you are getting from these lies and total spinning of the real story??? Maybe money?? i have no other plausible explanation.
Demure
"Most of the major ones marginalize non-whites, non-Arabs or non-Jews (basically the blacks) an indication of racism. Treatment of women as 2nd class citizens, another indication that it's man made. A 3rd bad one; It has become the perfect psychological tool to confuse people and exploit their fears to advance the ambitious's agenda; Most of the past rulers and all of todays."
I dont know about other religions...but Islam(not muslims...for all i know galol could claim to be a muslim) does not marginalize blacks, does not consider women as secd. class citizens and for sure as hell is not a man made religion.
Now if for some reasons you are a Pan-Africanist, Femminist and for Equality(from a white mans perspective) I perfectly can undestand your view...but Pleeeeeeeeese dont confuse religious believes with personal and narrow view of how the world(the Ideal) should be!!!!
Demure
I commend your courage for speaking your mind for thinking freely, loudly and openly. I am not patronising you I am flirting with you in the faint hope that I can smooth talk you into falling for me. Just kidding.
I agree with you that religions trump science and reason anyday on working on human fears, human fantasies and human curiousities. Science is based on fact and facts are intrinsicallly dull and tedious. That is why we have art and movies and novels to escape the dreariness of fact reality and reason.
Every religion man ever concocted for make no mistake they were all concocted by men with no ET involvement whatsoever - had that one trump card : claim to knowing the unknown. They dangled knowledge of the biggest unknowns of them all: what then? Man simply refuses the disturbing fact that nothing happens. It is not so much fear of being now and then beciomimng nothing that horrifies us it is the tediousness of it all. It is just too dull to accept that you die and that is it. You go nowhere.
Every thief, magician, charlatan, snake-oil salesman, liar, manipulator, prophet and guru, paedophile and bestialist, murderer and mormon knew this and used it to gain advantage over others; to get things he would otherwise not get; to get his end away and get away with it to amass wealth. Some may even used it as both you and Generalka wrote to do noble things.
The irony is that this false claim is its strength and its achilles heel because lies have a way of getting discovered and they do not very nice once they come under the scrutiny of truth. The longer the lie is protected and hidden from truth the bigger teh stench once the carcass is uncovered. No wonder religions fought and continue to fight against those who question them; who dig up their dirty little linen and expose them for what they are: lies. Even noble lies are still lies.
What is very open to debate and I am willing to be persuaded here is how much nobility was involved in the creation of these belief systems. And if they have substantially noble aims as both you and Generalka claimed/implied how much of that nobility actually lasted and remains in them today?
I still believe that on balalnce even those religious lies created out of good heart play a negative role in modern human societies. I wil go further and say they are enemies of man. Discuss.
I commend your courage for speaking your mind for thinking freely, loudly and openly. I am not patronising you I am flirting with you in the faint hope that I can smooth talk you into falling for me. Just kidding.
I agree with you that religions trump science and reason anyday on working on human fears, human fantasies and human curiousities. Science is based on fact and facts are intrinsicallly dull and tedious. That is why we have art and movies and novels to escape the dreariness of fact reality and reason.
Every religion man ever concocted for make no mistake they were all concocted by men with no ET involvement whatsoever - had that one trump card : claim to knowing the unknown. They dangled knowledge of the biggest unknowns of them all: what then? Man simply refuses the disturbing fact that nothing happens. It is not so much fear of being now and then beciomimng nothing that horrifies us it is the tediousness of it all. It is just too dull to accept that you die and that is it. You go nowhere.
Every thief, magician, charlatan, snake-oil salesman, liar, manipulator, prophet and guru, paedophile and bestialist, murderer and mormon knew this and used it to gain advantage over others; to get things he would otherwise not get; to get his end away and get away with it to amass wealth. Some may even used it as both you and Generalka wrote to do noble things.
The irony is that this false claim is its strength and its achilles heel because lies have a way of getting discovered and they do not very nice once they come under the scrutiny of truth. The longer the lie is protected and hidden from truth the bigger teh stench once the carcass is uncovered. No wonder religions fought and continue to fight against those who question them; who dig up their dirty little linen and expose them for what they are: lies. Even noble lies are still lies.
What is very open to debate and I am willing to be persuaded here is how much nobility was involved in the creation of these belief systems. And if they have substantially noble aims as both you and Generalka claimed/implied how much of that nobility actually lasted and remains in them today?
I still believe that on balalnce even those religious lies created out of good heart play a negative role in modern human societies. I wil go further and say they are enemies of man. Discuss.
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Galol,
"Pleased" was a poor choice of words. Glad would have been better. I was just happy to see anyone back away from a position, if only a little bit. I did not mean to patronize and I do apologize if it felt that way even a moment.
I am a Jackmormon. By that I mean that I am a Mormon by heritage, but one who does not live his faith. When I attained the age of free will at 18, I stopped going to church. Before that time I had completed seminary and had been ordained a priest.
I was a rebel. A lot of the evidence did not fit the Mormon story, and I did not like the idea of two and a half days a week and a tenth of my income tied up at the church. Besides, that was the early Sixties and I was living in southern California. The Church and I never got back together again.
I confess that I had to go look up the distinction, but I am probably closer to Deist than Theist. I know enough about the origins of the Bible to doubt large sections of it. Still, for me, God is everywhere and in all things. I doubt parts of the faith of my fathers, but there is an essential part there that I have no problem with. I am still a full member of my extended family and I bow my head with everyone else when a prayer is said. I recently participated as one of the pricipals at a family funeral.
Perhaps pertinent to comments made above:
The main body of the Mormon Church that moved west under Brigham Young was polygamous. My father's mother's grandfather had five wives and 55 children living at the time he wrote his autobiography at the age of 85. The church renounced polygamy and ceased performing plural marriages in about 1881, in order to prevent a federal takeover of the temples and to get admission of the Territory of Utah into the Union as a State.
The original Church position on "negroes" was that they were the descendants of Cain and had been marked with dark skin as the curse of God for the murder of Abel. They could be members of the Church, but could not hold the priesthood. In the mid-Seventies this was changed to (paraphrasing) : All righteous men may hold the priesthood.
"Pleased" was a poor choice of words. Glad would have been better. I was just happy to see anyone back away from a position, if only a little bit. I did not mean to patronize and I do apologize if it felt that way even a moment.
I am a Jackmormon. By that I mean that I am a Mormon by heritage, but one who does not live his faith. When I attained the age of free will at 18, I stopped going to church. Before that time I had completed seminary and had been ordained a priest.
I was a rebel. A lot of the evidence did not fit the Mormon story, and I did not like the idea of two and a half days a week and a tenth of my income tied up at the church. Besides, that was the early Sixties and I was living in southern California. The Church and I never got back together again.
I confess that I had to go look up the distinction, but I am probably closer to Deist than Theist. I know enough about the origins of the Bible to doubt large sections of it. Still, for me, God is everywhere and in all things. I doubt parts of the faith of my fathers, but there is an essential part there that I have no problem with. I am still a full member of my extended family and I bow my head with everyone else when a prayer is said. I recently participated as one of the pricipals at a family funeral.
Perhaps pertinent to comments made above:
The main body of the Mormon Church that moved west under Brigham Young was polygamous. My father's mother's grandfather had five wives and 55 children living at the time he wrote his autobiography at the age of 85. The church renounced polygamy and ceased performing plural marriages in about 1881, in order to prevent a federal takeover of the temples and to get admission of the Territory of Utah into the Union as a State.
The original Church position on "negroes" was that they were the descendants of Cain and had been marked with dark skin as the curse of God for the murder of Abel. They could be members of the Church, but could not hold the priesthood. In the mid-Seventies this was changed to (paraphrasing) : All righteous men may hold the priesthood.
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[quote="Cawar"]Galol
Demure
I dont know about other religions...but Islam(not muslims...for all i know galol could claim to be a muslim) does not marginalize blacks, does not consider women as secd. class citizens and for sure as hell is not a man made religion.
Now if for some reasons you are a Pan-Africanist, Femminist and for Equality(from a white mans perspective) I perfectly can undestand your view...but Pleeeeeeeeese dont confuse religious believes with personal and narrow view of how the world(the Ideal) should be!!!![/quote]
Cawar, you don't have to explain anything to me. Believe it or not my views and percpectives come from growing up in a Carab country. Anyway, I am for Pan- Africanism and Equality but not a feminist, actually don't even like the term.
Demure
I dont know about other religions...but Islam(not muslims...for all i know galol could claim to be a muslim) does not marginalize blacks, does not consider women as secd. class citizens and for sure as hell is not a man made religion.
Now if for some reasons you are a Pan-Africanist, Femminist and for Equality(from a white mans perspective) I perfectly can undestand your view...but Pleeeeeeeeese dont confuse religious believes with personal and narrow view of how the world(the Ideal) should be!!!![/quote]
Cawar, you don't have to explain anything to me. Believe it or not my views and percpectives come from growing up in a Carab country. Anyway, I am for Pan- Africanism and Equality but not a feminist, actually don't even like the term.
Grant
What a rich tapestry of life lived and faith lost and it seems half-gained.
I am no dogmatic ideologue and abhor arrogance and stubborness. I do change my mind about things and I am always willing to learn and change my mind. Apart from the few fundamental truths and guiding principles.
But unfortunately for me perhaps I see no God in anything. I see beauty like everybody else in all the things you see beauty in but God does not register. never did since I knew how to cross a road on my own.
Cawar
I am looking forward to you highlighting my "lies". I really am. Don't run away now.
What a rich tapestry of life lived and faith lost and it seems half-gained.
I am no dogmatic ideologue and abhor arrogance and stubborness. I do change my mind about things and I am always willing to learn and change my mind. Apart from the few fundamental truths and guiding principles.
But unfortunately for me perhaps I see no God in anything. I see beauty like everybody else in all the things you see beauty in but God does not register. never did since I knew how to cross a road on my own.
Cawar
I am looking forward to you highlighting my "lies". I really am. Don't run away now.
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[quote="Demure"] Historically people created religion to accept the unexplainable, and it's something that gives them a calming effect to their restless souls imagining the after death. For surely science till today does not explain everything in this universe, maybe it would 1000 years from today, but not as of yet.[quote]
Wow! You sure are not passable muslim. Never have I seen a muzzie saying 'people created religion!' Heresy! Apostate!
Be that as it maybe and leaving to abeyance 'ppl creating religions' part, I can't help but disgree with everything else you said.
Religions pull a thick cloack of false and absurd falsities-as-truths over ppl's eyes and as a result hampering them from seeing truth. Truth is everything religions are not. What is faith but substitute for what we KNOW to be untrue? Hence why religions are strongly anti-intellectualism, anti-reasoning, anti-skepticism, anit-doubting... to doubt is to say question certainties, written on stone 'facts' religions claim since the very begening. To be skeptic is to unbelieve in what we know is untrue and believe only in what know to be TRUTH.
How many ppl did religions save from starvations, ignorance, diseases, natural disasters...? What have religions invented, innovated, built, cured? The answers are very little if not none at all. Now weight that against all the balefulness organised religions have visited upon humanity, can you honestly say religions broadly speaking have been positive force for humanity?
Salvation can't come from ideology that's incapable of proving it's GOODNESS here on earth. That can only 'claim' to bring goodness to humanity only after the show wraps ups all while providing no evidence or reason to convince us doubters that there is something after everything. Nor is it worth believing in God who sits by and does nothing while the world spirals into maddening misery and cruelty; or is supposedly 'perfect' but creates imperfect beings and punishes them for HIS shortcomings (inability to create perfect beings).
Organised religions are not only impediments to human progress but enemy of it. They stand in the way of reason, believe based on evidence by providing unsupportable, immutable absolute truths supposedly from the Big Guy himself. In an essense saying just accept what presented to you and have faith in what you don't know.
Most amusing is when some say religion provides HOPE for ppl. I can only shake my head at this since everywhere the most religious seem most depressed and hopeless. Instead of telling ppl to depend on each other, pull themselves by the bootstrap relying on logic and evidence and having unshakeble believe in OUR ability to solve OUR problems, religions depress and belittle man's innate capacity to improve his position by saying invisible Guy up somewhere is gonna take of everything that we can't on our own. If not in this world then in the here after. How can one fetch HOPE in that message, it's the embodement of hopelessness, do nothing and expect for the best, greatest affront to unassailable human dignity.
Science, reasonableness, pragmaticism, 'believe' based on statistical density are the ONLY salvation and hope for man. It was science that cured childhood diseases caused by God. It was science that invented ever faster modes of transportation, communication and given us unlimited information to make best decisions based on most accurate information.
The cumulative positive manifestation of science at work is evident all around us -- most strikingly in technology. Technology ALONE is enough of a proof that science is our best TOOL to solve our problems. Not religion. Without it, without technology, we'd still be hunter gatherer man.
Can religionists point to anything similar to technology to show why they should still be followed and revered?
Wow! You sure are not passable muslim. Never have I seen a muzzie saying 'people created religion!' Heresy! Apostate!
Be that as it maybe and leaving to abeyance 'ppl creating religions' part, I can't help but disgree with everything else you said.
Religions pull a thick cloack of false and absurd falsities-as-truths over ppl's eyes and as a result hampering them from seeing truth. Truth is everything religions are not. What is faith but substitute for what we KNOW to be untrue? Hence why religions are strongly anti-intellectualism, anti-reasoning, anti-skepticism, anit-doubting... to doubt is to say question certainties, written on stone 'facts' religions claim since the very begening. To be skeptic is to unbelieve in what we know is untrue and believe only in what know to be TRUTH.
How many ppl did religions save from starvations, ignorance, diseases, natural disasters...? What have religions invented, innovated, built, cured? The answers are very little if not none at all. Now weight that against all the balefulness organised religions have visited upon humanity, can you honestly say religions broadly speaking have been positive force for humanity?
Salvation can't come from ideology that's incapable of proving it's GOODNESS here on earth. That can only 'claim' to bring goodness to humanity only after the show wraps ups all while providing no evidence or reason to convince us doubters that there is something after everything. Nor is it worth believing in God who sits by and does nothing while the world spirals into maddening misery and cruelty; or is supposedly 'perfect' but creates imperfect beings and punishes them for HIS shortcomings (inability to create perfect beings).
Organised religions are not only impediments to human progress but enemy of it. They stand in the way of reason, believe based on evidence by providing unsupportable, immutable absolute truths supposedly from the Big Guy himself. In an essense saying just accept what presented to you and have faith in what you don't know.
Most amusing is when some say religion provides HOPE for ppl. I can only shake my head at this since everywhere the most religious seem most depressed and hopeless. Instead of telling ppl to depend on each other, pull themselves by the bootstrap relying on logic and evidence and having unshakeble believe in OUR ability to solve OUR problems, religions depress and belittle man's innate capacity to improve his position by saying invisible Guy up somewhere is gonna take of everything that we can't on our own. If not in this world then in the here after. How can one fetch HOPE in that message, it's the embodement of hopelessness, do nothing and expect for the best, greatest affront to unassailable human dignity.
Science, reasonableness, pragmaticism, 'believe' based on statistical density are the ONLY salvation and hope for man. It was science that cured childhood diseases caused by God. It was science that invented ever faster modes of transportation, communication and given us unlimited information to make best decisions based on most accurate information.
The cumulative positive manifestation of science at work is evident all around us -- most strikingly in technology. Technology ALONE is enough of a proof that science is our best TOOL to solve our problems. Not religion. Without it, without technology, we'd still be hunter gatherer man.
Can religionists point to anything similar to technology to show why they should still be followed and revered?
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[quote="Galol"]This is the most profound and truthful statement I ever heard.
"without religion there will be good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things takes religion"
Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prizewinning Physicist.[/quote]
^^^Never heard of a profound and truthful statement a "Jew" ever said, but whatever the case you are one "Iidoor" who isn't scared of coming out so bluntly in admitting his idolization for the "Jew."
As they say "like father like son" yesterday it was your "Iidoor" elders who wrote that infamous lengthy paper which..aay ugu dacwoodeen Yuhuuda inay Yuhuud yihiin Soomaalida kalana ku xad gudubtay badbaadana ay ka dhawraan oo kaliya Reer Koofiyad Yare...and to day here you are so proudly crying such a foul.
No wonder every "Iidoor" I've came across had the habit of cursing the "diin"...my Allah reward me for giving them a beat down.
Galol, you could count on the like of me to beat you to submission till you see god in everything...I wonder what will the likes of you cry when stones tell Muslims "here is a Jew or atheist hiding, come and kill him"
LET ME GUESS BEGIN CRYING I BELIEVE IN GOD NOW
Sxb, you could count on the like of me to see to it that your head roll before you even open your mouth
NACALATULAAH CALAYKUUM
"without religion there will be good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things takes religion"
Steven Weinberg, Nobel Prizewinning Physicist.[/quote]
^^^Never heard of a profound and truthful statement a "Jew" ever said, but whatever the case you are one "Iidoor" who isn't scared of coming out so bluntly in admitting his idolization for the "Jew."
As they say "like father like son" yesterday it was your "Iidoor" elders who wrote that infamous lengthy paper which..aay ugu dacwoodeen Yuhuuda inay Yuhuud yihiin Soomaalida kalana ku xad gudubtay badbaadana ay ka dhawraan oo kaliya Reer Koofiyad Yare...and to day here you are so proudly crying such a foul.
No wonder every "Iidoor" I've came across had the habit of cursing the "diin"...my Allah reward me for giving them a beat down.
Galol, you could count on the like of me to beat you to submission till you see god in everything...I wonder what will the likes of you cry when stones tell Muslims "here is a Jew or atheist hiding, come and kill him"
LET ME GUESS BEGIN CRYING I BELIEVE IN GOD NOW Sxb, you could count on the like of me to see to it that your head roll before you even open your mouth
NACALATULAAH CALAYKUUM
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