A sincere quest

[AbdiWahab252]

Somaliland is based on certain fundamentals which are held dearly by 1 at most 2 northern clans. If you look at the foundation of the British colony, it was based on tribal agreements signed with the differing northern clans: Issaq, Gadabursi, and Harti. The ProUnity camps consist predominately of the Harti and a portion of the Gadabuursi.

Can several proIndependence Somalilanders answer the following questions ?

1. What happened to the Somalilanders who were part and parcel of the Siyaadist regime who victimized the North ? Why were some rewarded and hold the highest post in the SL government ?

2. What makes your grievances more deserving than any other victim's of Siyaad ? Why don't other victims also seek their own homelands ?

3. How come the SNM never declared it was fighting for the SL independence but merely to replace the SIyaad government ?

4. Would you be willing to allow a free and fair referendum on independence and divide the nation according to the results ?

Thanks

[*Faithful]

I AGREE WITH AbdiWahab252.

[Caydid]

Demure, haa xamar cade ayaan joogaa. Very beautiful- and sometimes more peaceful than big cities in europe and the USA.


Ok

1. There is a case for seperation
2. There is a case for unity.

The case for seperation builds on the problems that unity brought with it. The case for unity builds on the "emotions" as Gurey called it; fear of tribal conflicts as "Damala Xagare" said.

I don't think a cohesive somalia would be like the somali that existed between 1960-today. There would be no massacres of people for belonging to one tribe or populating a region. The somali problems have taught us that is not pissible. A bygone notion is using the name of the somali state to deny people rights.

The "independence" issue would be a long-awaited thing for many in somaliland. It would be celebrated- but before the euphoria dies down, we are likely to witness a conflict between different tribes because they have been denied rights- and before long somaliland is not different from somalia. This is the issue that is not discussed by the 2intelletuals of somaliland.

This is the somali problem, recognition, government is power and after a honeymoon this power manifests itself in wars.

[DamallaXagare]

Mawhaw, Somaliland is a good place to invest because of its relative peace. As northerners, we are only divided on the case for secession but for everything else ,we transact business and commute with each other.

Abdiwahab, you are right Somaliland was formed out of the treaty England entered with tribes of Somaliland. Britian therefore is not a country you can deceive with your consistent lobbying against the unity of Somalia. I can guerantee you that if Warsangeli $ Dhulbahant today join Somaliland and accept to seperate from the rest of Somalia, Britain will be the first to recognize it. However, It is disingenous to tell the rest of the world that people/clans of colonial Somaliland have united under one flag when there is daily skirmishes over tribal territorialities.

[gurey25]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Somaliland is based on certain fundamentals which are held dearly by 1 at most 2 northern clans. If you look at the foundation of the British colony, it was based on tribal agreements signed with the differing northern clans: Issaq, Gadabursi, and Harti. The ProUnity camps consist predominately of the Harti and a portion of the Gadabuursi.

Can several proIndependence Somalilanders answer the following questions ?

1. What happened to the Somalilanders who were part and parcel of the Siyaadist regime who victimized the North ? Why were some rewarded and hold the highest post in the SL government ?

2. What makes your grievances more deserving than any other victim's of Siyaad ? Why don't other victims also seek their own homelands ?

3. How come the SNM never declared it was fighting for the SL independence but merely to replace the SIyaad government ?

4. Would you be willing to allow a free and fair referendum on independence and divide the nation according to the results ?

Thanks[/quote]


1- It was an accident riyale and many other faqash are in power becuase
by mere chance.

2- deserving? this is not about deserving, the others are weak and do not have the common vision an did not fight war of independance, and they do not have the means( use of colonial borders).

3-Ofcourse it was not, SNM had many factions, many points of view,
The actions of the USC, allowed the Pro independants to win the
argument

4-the 1961 referenderum of the constition was held in all somalia as a whole, and the results where taken as a whole, even when the overwhelming percentage of the north,voted no.
any referendrum will be held likewise, throughout Somaliland as a whole
and the results will take the wishes of the majority.



one more point id like to add is that we do not have to physicaly control the complete borders of Somaliland.
Our case still is strong if you bear in mind that Somaliland controls a larger part of its territory than many nations that have seats in the UN.
Remember even strong states, like Pakistan a nuclear power, has no control of nearly 25% of its territory.