SECULAR DISCOURSE FOR SOMALIA

biko · Post by **biko** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:53 pm

Which goes to the cotre of my qwuestion: do you believe God should be in government or should he be confined to people's hearts and heads?

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if the government in question is representing a muslim nation, (as in our own) then yes. but as a somalis and africans we also have have our culture on top of our religion so its up to us skinnies to choos how we want to implement islamic shariaa without interference from outside nations; be it the west (kafirs) or the middle east (muslims).

for a country whos got a track record of 16 years of brutal war, the last thing we need (or more to the point the population need) is a seef la bood wadaads trying to imitate 17th century arabia.

diin, dhaqaan and common sense is what we need, but thats just me.

same · Post by **same** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:06 pm

Freakishly_Free,

I know the majority Somalis are theoretically for Sharia, they suffered a lot and see that as a way out, but they will disagree when it comes to its effect.

What about the decision of banning to watch football games for example?

Freakishly_Free · Post by **Freakishly_Free** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 3:09 pm

Application of the shari'ah is the problem, u are right.

gurey25 · Post by **gurey25** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:15 pm

In Islam the shareeca is sovriegn not the Khalifa nor the amir,
thier job is to uphold the shareeca.

Islam is not just a religion,
you surely know that.

mahamed99_sex · Post by **mahamed99_sex** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 6:33 pm

[quote="Galol"]Religion is between the individual and his/her god and not between Nation and God.

Discuss[/quote]

i agree with you.a religion should the person and god.and state should not orce people in to believing thier of life the correct.now days people make thier interpretation of the quran.its better for you to read and decide what is good for you. a country should not tell what to do its people.that is recipe for disaster.

Galol · Post by **Galol** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:05 am

Rebel

Of course Islam is diverse and multidimensional like all other human ideas and concepts and belief systems and it is patently ridicolous to claim otherwise. Not only is there Sunni/Shia/Sufi/Druze/Ahmadi etc but the subsects and the subsubsects have huge differences in their interpretation and understanding of Quran, hadeeth, history and jurisprudence of Islam. This `we are one big happy Muslim family' nonsense is the Salafiyah Jadeedah way of saying our way or no way.

FF

Thank you. What is heartenening is that when muslim masses are given an opportunity to elect those who rule over them they shun Islamists. There is something deep in the human pysche that recoils from authoritarianism and yearns for the freedom to think and act as they like. This rejection of Isalmism is apparent in places as historically and socio-econmically as diverse as Indonesia, B'desh, Senegal and Turkey. In fact only one Islamist party ever won free elections(FIS in Algeria) and they promptly promised never to bother with elections ever again because they knew they will never a second election again. Algeria's secular establishment had no choice but to stop them prompting the Ikhwan Al Irhaibiyeen to show their true colours: FIS/GIA distinguished themselves by cutting the throats of 12 year old girls for showing a little fleck of hair or kicking a ball with the neighborhood boys. The only other Isalmist win is Hamas. The Palestinians seem to have a self-destruct button permanently attached to their brains, they always and in every turn make the wrong choice from rejecting the UN offer of 1947 to siding with Saddam during the first gulf war. Pity the Palestinians.

PG

I see that old power is still there, a little jaded perhaps but still makes my old ticker tick a little faster. And when we know the frame it is bursting out of...
The Somali is still a savage, brutal wildebeast unencumbered with the norms and social control systems that underpin the behaviours of more civilised societies. This means that the Somali owes no loylaty to any sky God or any imported idea or concepts but to his own homegrown primeval belief systems which rotates around his clan. The God brought over from Arabia comes somewhere around poor 25th in the somali's hierarachy of loyalties. That is after his clan, subclan, subsub clan and his camels. That is why Taliban-style Wahabbist cancer cell is extremely unlikely to thrive in this harsh, distinctly un-cancer friendly environment. The fact we seek salvation from something as backward as clan system is an indication of just how far we sunk into the depths of our own pits of hell. But hell is waaay preferable to Wahabbism.

Intellectualsomali · Post by **Intellectualsomali** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:11 am

What do you mean by secular discourse? From which perspective should we discuss? Nation or people? Somalia as a nation is in shambles. Any form of rule is absent. The issue of theocracy vs secularism is a premature thing. If you are implying people, in particular diaspora somalis, we can't do anything about it. We live in secular states (at least on paper- although you see elements and artefacts of christinianity everywhere you go).

My point is a discoursal discussion on secularism vs theocracy is pointless and serves no purpose. Many of us can't differentiate or understand basic tenents of secularism.

COOL-MAN · Post by **COOL-MAN** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:56 am

Just look@ the number of deenless characters in this thread Laughing

it is amazing how much time and energy they spend discussing what they hold to be insignificant in one's life Laughing

the deenless in somalinet discuss more deen than the deen-haves how come? Laughing

biko · Post by **biko** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 5:57 am

so what do you think mr diinlee?

COOL-MAN · Post by **COOL-MAN** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:02 am

what

me deenless Confused

put the jaad aside. it's too early to indulge in marqaan bik Laughing

to answer your question, i think they are very insecure in the fact they don't have what we have Laughing

they are afraid to lose big time if this hereafter thing becomes a reality Laughing

. they want to recruit as many as they can so that if they have to lose, they don't beome the only ones. thats what me thinks.

what do u think adigu?

Galol · Post by **Galol** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:05 am

cool-man

Who says God is insignifficant in our lives? Not only is God massive and omnipotent he seems to have an attitude problem too. Just look at how he sees the World cup! How can you ignore something that affects people's lives at such intimate level?

If god keeps out of my life I will steer well clear of his path. But he wont will he because millions of morons with god on their heads are trying to ram him down people's throats all over the world.

And i consider speaking out against oppressors to be a my divine right and there aint no opressors worse than God is there? I mean he burns people for eternity for eating bacon rolls or groping the fat arsed widow at the supermarket car park? God is insane I can tell you. What is wrong with a fine? and a month long ban from groping fat arses..or maybe a diet of carrots for a week for every ham salad sandwich consumed?

biko · Post by **biko** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:10 am

its too bloody hot to be shewing, so am sober as a judge.

am suporting the islamic courts in somalia as long as they are not hiding behind islam. i totaly reject the idea that any country that choose the shariaa will automatically abuse and persecute its citezens that dont follow the islamic faith. its not going to be easy for us faraxs but its not imposible.

Galol · Post by **Galol** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:14 am

Coolman

According to your own belief Jannah is the lonelier place. Muslims form less than 20% of humanity and they are counting me in that an all!

So no recruitment necessary on our part. It is you who go on about how millions are joing your gang

Gedo_Boy · Post by **Gedo_Boy** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:15 am

Those who claim they are too independent to be ruled by God's law don't seem to have a problem of being ruled by man-made law.

Man-made laws are used/abused by people as well. At least w/ sharica you have imperfect humans trying to interpret perfect law whereas with man-made law you have imperfect humans trying to interpret imperfect law.

Either you worship the Creator, or you worship the created.........

Gedo_Boy · Post by **Gedo_Boy** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:16 am

Are you against religion JUST so you can grope woman without guilt or being judged Question

Those who claim they are too independent to be ruled by God's law don't seem to have a problem of being ruled by man-made law.

Man-made laws are used/abused by people as well. At least w/ sharica you have imperfect humans trying to interpret perfect law whereas with man-made law you have imperfect humans trying to interpret imperfect law.

Either you worship the Creator, or you worship the created.........

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