michael-itali, you either a proper indispensable Muslim or your not; zero separating that
integration of both sex is against the Islamic Sharia and if the party that was stopped in Xamar had both genders mixing then by all means they got it right
A. Yusuf isn't just a puppy but a sick one as well and he does not represent the Somali communal as a-whole
Somalis wish for absolute Islamic Laws in their lands and those who aren't accommodating to that are the Munafiqiin who are solitary thinking un-Islamic, as well lack any form of Imaan
numerous times you have been told 'leave Somalis associations to Somalis' but noooo, by being here and talking to few xalimo's and farax's you imagined that you know all that is to know about us
if you lived amongst Somalis for a 100 years you still wouldn't have the first indication of the ways of my people
read what Salahuddiin wrote warily
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Is ballroom dancing acceptable in Islamic Law, or is it imitating kufars? Following the intrepretation of Sharia Laws by those thugs you support, you would have been the first to loose his head.
Dalol (Hole) aka Galool
I raised a simple question to those so called believers just to explain why they think Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and his Mafia should use Islam for their own un-Islamic goals, but sadly no one is capable to articulate their point, while they view those gentlemen to be infallible humans. As expected, they came to cheer-lead you, a person known for vilifying and plaspheming Allah SWT and Prophet Mohamed pbuh. They are defending thugs and cant present why in Islamic terms they should be supporting them, while at the sametime they are socialising with a man like you who made a habit of insulting our God and religion, or raving about their sexual prowess on those pages. It says much about their sincerity.
I believe Islam and Allah SWT are perfect, but humans including Muslims are not, and that is why their reasoning compared to mine runs in opposite directions. Istakhfurrallah. This is typical from tribal part-time Muslims, a cocktail of tribal culture and religion. I never drank alcohol, never missed a prayer or fasting, and have been active with Islamic issues within the communities in every country that I resided for the last 3 years and half. I call myself a Muslim without a label (sect) while it became fashionable for Muslims these days to belong to a sect. We have more sects than Christianity and Judaism combined. Go figure.
As Nur said above, Sharia Laws at the moment should be observed on the individual level, and those who claim to defend on behalf of Aweys and Indhocadde for example is Luggooyyo, and let us use him as an example. Few days ago, he posted a topic raving about his fornication techniques as a stud and how he managed to massage the breast of his colleague in a public place, and got more action with her privately later. Ask yourself, why does this guy care about Sharia Laws in Somalia if he can't behave and live like a Muslim? Let me tell you, he is a hypocrite Somali who has little or no knowledge about his own religion. A Muslim should voluntarily live by the Islamic rules and observe individually Islamic laws at all times. Why does he expect Somalis to be punished for singing while he caresses and fondles with a woman's tits against the teachings of prophet Mohamed pbuh? One word to describe this is Ignorance. Another comes to mind is tribal male hypocrisy. The rest are tribalists and you will find them in the Clan section cursing and belittling other tribes, and that is why they see you as a motivator and a leader in tribal dissing and bashing. They will forgive you even if you insult Allah SWT on a daily basis, and they will accuse me of not being a proper Muslim by analysing fallible humans such as warlords Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and their thugs. Where is the logic here?
Many here have avoided or given a lip service about the points of Sharia-Laws that I raised above, without offering or attempting either to debunk or agree with Nur's post. They are your typical Somalis who have no clue that Shariah Laws could only be introduced as a whole along with major basic requirements and foundations. Have you seen anyone of them comment on it? On a serious note, half measures could never be termed as Sharia Laws. I have given time and space to these traidtionalists like Louggooyyo, and now let us see if they can add their 2 cents about the issue, but once again let me start the ball rolling for them.
In doing so, but first let me examine the nation-state and if Sharia-Laws are applicable or compatible to such states like the one we got in Somalia. What is the difference between the Islamic State that our prophet pbuh established in Yathrib-Medina and the modern nation state?
The idea of the nation/state is a modern European invention, and is first and foremost always on many Muslims mind, however this idea of the nation/state falls more in line with fascism than it does on the State of prophet Mohamed pbuh. Our prophet's State was the culmination of thirteen years of persecution for his and his followers' beliefs. Our prophet's pbuh State developed over the course of the next ten years but only after the individuals in the State who claimed allegiance to him were Muslims in a pure sense. Can we force on ignorant Somalis with the threats of amputations and death who have little or knowledge of Islam or Sharia Laws?
Prophet Mohamed pbuh did not set out to establish a Muslim State and then purify those within the State by implementing laws from above. However, this is what many tribal wahabi Muslims like warlord Aweys and others are espousing. Let me remind them, to implement Shariah Laws, you need first to have a legitimate Islamic State which is necessary for its implementation. Secondly, you need enlightened Muslims to voluntarily and wholeheartedly accept the Laws. Like Nur said, the goal is to establish the State first. Otherwise it basically becomes fascism in religious guise. This is the type of Shariah Laws that these tribalists are calling for without articulating or understanding the concept.
Remember the Taliban banned kite flying? In the traditions of our prophet Mohamed pbuh, as a young boy he flew kites and loved it. Killing Muslims who donÂ’t pray like stated by the Somali Shiekh in Muqdishu is contrary to the teachings of Islam, and should I support that kind of defamatory laws disguised as Islam, hell no. Let the tribalists who believe those pseudo sheikhs can save them from hellfire believe that sort of crap. I never practiced the Awliya tradition of Somalis, and maybe that is what is motivating them and looking for someone to rescue them on Judgement Day. It will never happen.
Now, Aweys and his group belief the Bin Laden version of Islam that was imposed on him by the Pakistani intelligence agency and CIA, so they could fight the former USSR in Afghanistan on their behalf. It is a modern day twist to Islamic teaching, which asks us to be compassionate and justice. I refuse to accept Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and their voodoo Sharia as a Divine source. These guys can't tell the difference between Fiq and Sharia. Now let us see Arabman and his tribal mob if they can defend without resorting to personalise the issue.
In conclusion, I will never accept the evil forces of Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and their mob, but I do like the intellect and honesty of Sharif Shaykh (who is the face of the Islamic Courts) and others who articulate very well the points that I raised above and are closer to my understanding of the issue, than the former group who are only
imitating the Talibans.
Dalol
Now, tell me why do Luggooyyo and his friends cheer-lead you even when you insult Allah SWT, Islam and our prophet pbuh on a daily basis? They follow you in every post, while I boycott you. Is it because of the Somali tribal culture? Lugless seems to be obssessed with my forefathers tribe, which has no relevance to my opinions, decissions and understanding of humans, and in particular Somalis who mostly look at all issues from the point of view of their tribe and have no say personally.
Is ballroom dancing acceptable in Islamic Law, or is it imitating kufars? Following the intrepretation of Sharia Laws by those thugs you support, you would have been the first to loose his head.
Dalol (Hole) aka Galool
I raised a simple question to those so called believers just to explain why they think Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and his Mafia should use Islam for their own un-Islamic goals, but sadly no one is capable to articulate their point, while they view those gentlemen to be infallible humans. As expected, they came to cheer-lead you, a person known for vilifying and plaspheming Allah SWT and Prophet Mohamed pbuh. They are defending thugs and cant present why in Islamic terms they should be supporting them, while at the sametime they are socialising with a man like you who made a habit of insulting our God and religion, or raving about their sexual prowess on those pages. It says much about their sincerity.
I believe Islam and Allah SWT are perfect, but humans including Muslims are not, and that is why their reasoning compared to mine runs in opposite directions. Istakhfurrallah. This is typical from tribal part-time Muslims, a cocktail of tribal culture and religion. I never drank alcohol, never missed a prayer or fasting, and have been active with Islamic issues within the communities in every country that I resided for the last 3 years and half. I call myself a Muslim without a label (sect) while it became fashionable for Muslims these days to belong to a sect. We have more sects than Christianity and Judaism combined. Go figure.
As Nur said above, Sharia Laws at the moment should be observed on the individual level, and those who claim to defend on behalf of Aweys and Indhocadde for example is Luggooyyo, and let us use him as an example. Few days ago, he posted a topic raving about his fornication techniques as a stud and how he managed to massage the breast of his colleague in a public place, and got more action with her privately later. Ask yourself, why does this guy care about Sharia Laws in Somalia if he can't behave and live like a Muslim? Let me tell you, he is a hypocrite Somali who has little or no knowledge about his own religion. A Muslim should voluntarily live by the Islamic rules and observe individually Islamic laws at all times. Why does he expect Somalis to be punished for singing while he caresses and fondles with a woman's tits against the teachings of prophet Mohamed pbuh? One word to describe this is Ignorance. Another comes to mind is tribal male hypocrisy. The rest are tribalists and you will find them in the Clan section cursing and belittling other tribes, and that is why they see you as a motivator and a leader in tribal dissing and bashing. They will forgive you even if you insult Allah SWT on a daily basis, and they will accuse me of not being a proper Muslim by analysing fallible humans such as warlords Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and their thugs. Where is the logic here?
Many here have avoided or given a lip service about the points of Sharia-Laws that I raised above, without offering or attempting either to debunk or agree with Nur's post. They are your typical Somalis who have no clue that Shariah Laws could only be introduced as a whole along with major basic requirements and foundations. Have you seen anyone of them comment on it? On a serious note, half measures could never be termed as Sharia Laws. I have given time and space to these traidtionalists like Louggooyyo, and now let us see if they can add their 2 cents about the issue, but once again let me start the ball rolling for them.
In doing so, but first let me examine the nation-state and if Sharia-Laws are applicable or compatible to such states like the one we got in Somalia. What is the difference between the Islamic State that our prophet pbuh established in Yathrib-Medina and the modern nation state?
The idea of the nation/state is a modern European invention, and is first and foremost always on many Muslims mind, however this idea of the nation/state falls more in line with fascism than it does on the State of prophet Mohamed pbuh. Our prophet's State was the culmination of thirteen years of persecution for his and his followers' beliefs. Our prophet's pbuh State developed over the course of the next ten years but only after the individuals in the State who claimed allegiance to him were Muslims in a pure sense. Can we force on ignorant Somalis with the threats of amputations and death who have little or knowledge of Islam or Sharia Laws?
Prophet Mohamed pbuh did not set out to establish a Muslim State and then purify those within the State by implementing laws from above. However, this is what many tribal wahabi Muslims like warlord Aweys and others are espousing. Let me remind them, to implement Shariah Laws, you need first to have a legitimate Islamic State which is necessary for its implementation. Secondly, you need enlightened Muslims to voluntarily and wholeheartedly accept the Laws. Like Nur said, the goal is to establish the State first. Otherwise it basically becomes fascism in religious guise. This is the type of Shariah Laws that these tribalists are calling for without articulating or understanding the concept.
Remember the Taliban banned kite flying? In the traditions of our prophet Mohamed pbuh, as a young boy he flew kites and loved it. Killing Muslims who donÂ’t pray like stated by the Somali Shiekh in Muqdishu is contrary to the teachings of Islam, and should I support that kind of defamatory laws disguised as Islam, hell no. Let the tribalists who believe those pseudo sheikhs can save them from hellfire believe that sort of crap. I never practiced the Awliya tradition of Somalis, and maybe that is what is motivating them and looking for someone to rescue them on Judgement Day. It will never happen.
Now, Aweys and his group belief the Bin Laden version of Islam that was imposed on him by the Pakistani intelligence agency and CIA, so they could fight the former USSR in Afghanistan on their behalf. It is a modern day twist to Islamic teaching, which asks us to be compassionate and justice. I refuse to accept Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and their voodoo Sharia as a Divine source. These guys can't tell the difference between Fiq and Sharia. Now let us see Arabman and his tribal mob if they can defend without resorting to personalise the issue.
In conclusion, I will never accept the evil forces of Dahir Aweys, Indhocadde and their mob, but I do like the intellect and honesty of Sharif Shaykh (who is the face of the Islamic Courts) and others who articulate very well the points that I raised above and are closer to my understanding of the issue, than the former group who are only
imitating the Talibans.
Dalol
Now, tell me why do Luggooyyo and his friends cheer-lead you even when you insult Allah SWT, Islam and our prophet pbuh on a daily basis? They follow you in every post, while I boycott you. Is it because of the Somali tribal culture? Lugless seems to be obssessed with my forefathers tribe, which has no relevance to my opinions, decissions and understanding of humans, and in particular Somalis who mostly look at all issues from the point of view of their tribe and have no say personally.
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[quote="1nemansquad"]michael-itali, you either a proper indispensable Muslim or your not; zero separating that
integration of both sex is against the Islamic Sharia and if the party that was stopped in Xamar had both genders mixing then by all means they got it right
A. Yusuf isn't just a puppy but a sick one as well and he does not represent the Somali communal as a-whole
Somalis wish for absolute Islamic Laws in their lands and those who aren't accommodating to that are the Munafiqiin who are solitary thinking un-Islamic, as well lack any form of Imaan
numerous times you have been told 'leave Somalis associations to Somalis' but noooo, by being here and talking to few xalimo's and farax's you imagined that you know all that is to know about us
if you lived amongst Somalis for a 100 years you still wouldn't have the first indication of the ways of my people
read what Salahuddiin wrote warily[/quote]
Maasha'Allah yaa akhii well said almost took those words from my mouth.
From now on you should be known as Muttawac Squad among the Muttawaciin Brigader.
integration of both sex is against the Islamic Sharia and if the party that was stopped in Xamar had both genders mixing then by all means they got it right
A. Yusuf isn't just a puppy but a sick one as well and he does not represent the Somali communal as a-whole
Somalis wish for absolute Islamic Laws in their lands and those who aren't accommodating to that are the Munafiqiin who are solitary thinking un-Islamic, as well lack any form of Imaan
numerous times you have been told 'leave Somalis associations to Somalis' but noooo, by being here and talking to few xalimo's and farax's you imagined that you know all that is to know about us
if you lived amongst Somalis for a 100 years you still wouldn't have the first indication of the ways of my people
read what Salahuddiin wrote warily[/quote]
Maasha'Allah yaa akhii well said almost took those words from my mouth.
From now on you should be known as Muttawac Squad among the Muttawaciin Brigader.
Last edited by Aiman on Tue Jul 11, 2006 12:07 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Reb
If you're following this thread, you'll know who he is.
> "they act like every thing else is fine and worry about minor thingsÂ… They forget poverty , crimes, lack of in structure and other huge problems. Like the biggest hurdle to peace and stability in Somalia is people who watch TV, who drinks Coke, who goes to weddings and so on.."<
To me, behaviour such as thi
Salahuddiin
>You can tell how someone is when you look at his company. Usually people who think alike spend time together so I don't think you have too many experiences with somalis in real life. Only ones who are against sharica are those who enjoy the life in sin and are afraid that they will have to stop sinning or they get caught, that's why they oppose everything that could change their way of life. There are many conservative somalis that will support maxkamad and religion is steadily on the rise among somalis so don't think that they lose their support fast.<
Bollocks, mate. And you know it. As for porn, couldn't tell ya. Didn't read anything about porn. Only read that the cinema's were closed for showing World Cup.
What I read about the wedding was that it was crashed for having a live band. If you're trying to sell me on the fact that ALL Somali's support actions such as this, I'ma straight up call you liar.
1ne
Spare me your "you're not Somali, so you don't know nuthin" lectures. You can't pretend you speak for all Somali's, so don't even try . And if you're such an adherent of Sharia, then address Law's point about ballroom dancing. BTW, the wedding was crashed for music. If you even TRY and tell me that ALLL Somali's suport the abolution of music at weddings, i'ma tell you you're full of it mate.
>if you lived amongst Somalis for a 100 years you still wouldn't have the first indication of the ways of my people<
Pleeease. You act as if Somali's are aliens, totally and absolutely impossible to understand. Either you're incredibly naive, or you're just begging to differ.
But again, to ALLLL of you. In your haste to jump down MY throat, not one. Repeat, NOT ONE!!!!!! of you all has adressed Laws contention that NOBODY has even ATTEMPTED to refute Nur's post. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!! And THAT!!!! peeps, speaks VOLUMES!!!!!
In summary, the lot of you are content to sit at home here in the West, with your nice, fancy degrees, drivin nice fancy vehics, eatin well, dressin well, etc, etc, etc. While pontificating about how those poor souls back home should be governed by a Sharica Law dispensed by an ex Army colonel. While the REAL cleric is pushed aside in the power struggle. Hypocricy at it's FINEST!!!!
Law BRAVO!!!! on your last post. 2 You nailed it mate. Not Aiman, not Arabman, not ANYONE attempted to dispel Nur's notions. Why ?? Because they're unable to. They KNOW it to be sound reasoning. Therefore, it can't be dispelled. Insted they cheerlead 1nemansquad. (Exception of Galol and Sir Lug's attempts to turn it into qabiil noted) 
If you're following this thread, you'll know who he is.
> "they act like every thing else is fine and worry about minor thingsÂ… They forget poverty , crimes, lack of in structure and other huge problems. Like the biggest hurdle to peace and stability in Somalia is people who watch TV, who drinks Coke, who goes to weddings and so on.."<
To me, behaviour such as thi
Salahuddiin
>You can tell how someone is when you look at his company. Usually people who think alike spend time together so I don't think you have too many experiences with somalis in real life. Only ones who are against sharica are those who enjoy the life in sin and are afraid that they will have to stop sinning or they get caught, that's why they oppose everything that could change their way of life. There are many conservative somalis that will support maxkamad and religion is steadily on the rise among somalis so don't think that they lose their support fast.<
Bollocks, mate. And you know it. As for porn, couldn't tell ya. Didn't read anything about porn. Only read that the cinema's were closed for showing World Cup.
What I read about the wedding was that it was crashed for having a live band. If you're trying to sell me on the fact that ALL Somali's support actions such as this, I'ma straight up call you liar.
1ne
Spare me your "you're not Somali, so you don't know nuthin" lectures. You can't pretend you speak for all Somali's, so don't even try . And if you're such an adherent of Sharia, then address Law's point about ballroom dancing. BTW, the wedding was crashed for music. If you even TRY and tell me that ALLL Somali's suport the abolution of music at weddings, i'ma tell you you're full of it mate.
>if you lived amongst Somalis for a 100 years you still wouldn't have the first indication of the ways of my people<
Pleeease. You act as if Somali's are aliens, totally and absolutely impossible to understand. Either you're incredibly naive, or you're just begging to differ.
But again, to ALLLL of you. In your haste to jump down MY throat, not one. Repeat, NOT ONE!!!!!! of you all has adressed Laws contention that NOBODY has even ATTEMPTED to refute Nur's post. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!! And THAT!!!! peeps, speaks VOLUMES!!!!!
In summary, the lot of you are content to sit at home here in the West, with your nice, fancy degrees, drivin nice fancy vehics, eatin well, dressin well, etc, etc, etc. While pontificating about how those poor souls back home should be governed by a Sharica Law dispensed by an ex Army colonel. While the REAL cleric is pushed aside in the power struggle. Hypocricy at it's FINEST!!!!
Law BRAVO!!!! on your last post. 2
You nailed it mate. Not Aiman, not Arabman, not ANYONE attempted to dispel Nur's notions. Why ?? Because they're unable to. They KNOW it to be sound reasoning. Therefore, it can't be dispelled. Insted they cheerlead 1nemansquad. (Exception of Galol and Sir Lug's attempts to turn it into qabiil noted) -
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Reb
If you're following this thread, you'll know who he is.
> "they act like every thing else is fine and worry about minor thingsÂ… They forget poverty , crimes, lack of in structure and other huge problems. Like the biggest hurdle to peace and stability in Somalia is people who watch TV, who drinks Coke, who goes to weddings and so on.."<
To me, behaviour such as thi
Salahuddiin
>You can tell how someone is when you look at his company. Usually people who think alike spend time together so I don't think you have too many experiences with somalis in real life. Only ones who are against sharica are those who enjoy the life in sin and are afraid that they will have to stop sinning or they get caught, that's why they oppose everything that could change their way of life. There are many conservative somalis that will support maxkamad and religion is steadily on the rise among somalis so don't think that they lose their support fast.<
Bollocks, mate. And you know it. As for porn, couldn't tell ya. Didn't read anything about porn. Only read that the cinema's were closed for showing World Cup.
What I read about the wedding was that it was crashed for having a live band. If you're trying to sell me on the fact that ALL Somali's support actions such as this, I'ma straight up call you liar.
1ne
Spare me your "you're not Somali, so you don't know nuthin" lectures. You can't pretend you speak for all Somali's, so don't even try . And if you're such an adherent of Sharia, then address Law's point about ballroom dancing. BTW, the wedding was crashed for music. If you even TRY and tell me that ALLL Somali's suport the abolution of music at weddings, i'ma tell you you're full of it mate.
>if you lived amongst Somalis for a 100 years you still wouldn't have the first indication of the ways of my people<
Pleeease. You act as if Somali's are aliens, totally and absolutely impossible to understand. Either you're incredibly naive, or you're just begging to differ.
But again, to ALLLL of you. In your haste to jump down MY throat, not one. Repeat, NOT ONE!!!!!! of you all has adressed Laws contention that NOBODY has even ATTEMPTED to refute Nur's post. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!! And THAT!!!! peeps, speaks VOLUMES!!!!!
In summary, the lot of you are content to sit at home here in the West, with your nice, fancy degrees, drivin nice fancy vehics, eatin well, dressin well, etc, etc, etc. While pontificating about how those poor souls back home should be governed by a Sharica Law dispensed by an ex Army colonel. While the REAL cleric is pushed aside in the power struggle. Hypocricy at it's FINEST!!!!
Law BRAVO!!!! on your last post. 2 You nailed it mate. Not Aiman, not Arabman, not ANYONE attempted to dispel Nur's notions. Why ?? Because they're unable to. They KNOW it to be sound reasoning. Therefore, it can't be dispelled. Insted they cheerlead 1nemansquad. (Exception of Galol and Sir Lug's attempts to turn it into qabiil noted)
If you're following this thread, you'll know who he is.
> "they act like every thing else is fine and worry about minor thingsÂ… They forget poverty , crimes, lack of in structure and other huge problems. Like the biggest hurdle to peace and stability in Somalia is people who watch TV, who drinks Coke, who goes to weddings and so on.."<
To me, behaviour such as thi
Salahuddiin
>You can tell how someone is when you look at his company. Usually people who think alike spend time together so I don't think you have too many experiences with somalis in real life. Only ones who are against sharica are those who enjoy the life in sin and are afraid that they will have to stop sinning or they get caught, that's why they oppose everything that could change their way of life. There are many conservative somalis that will support maxkamad and religion is steadily on the rise among somalis so don't think that they lose their support fast.<
Bollocks, mate. And you know it. As for porn, couldn't tell ya. Didn't read anything about porn. Only read that the cinema's were closed for showing World Cup.
What I read about the wedding was that it was crashed for having a live band. If you're trying to sell me on the fact that ALL Somali's support actions such as this, I'ma straight up call you liar.
1ne
Spare me your "you're not Somali, so you don't know nuthin" lectures. You can't pretend you speak for all Somali's, so don't even try . And if you're such an adherent of Sharia, then address Law's point about ballroom dancing. BTW, the wedding was crashed for music. If you even TRY and tell me that ALLL Somali's suport the abolution of music at weddings, i'ma tell you you're full of it mate.
>if you lived amongst Somalis for a 100 years you still wouldn't have the first indication of the ways of my people<
Pleeease. You act as if Somali's are aliens, totally and absolutely impossible to understand. Either you're incredibly naive, or you're just begging to differ.
But again, to ALLLL of you. In your haste to jump down MY throat, not one. Repeat, NOT ONE!!!!!! of you all has adressed Laws contention that NOBODY has even ATTEMPTED to refute Nur's post. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!! And THAT!!!! peeps, speaks VOLUMES!!!!!
In summary, the lot of you are content to sit at home here in the West, with your nice, fancy degrees, drivin nice fancy vehics, eatin well, dressin well, etc, etc, etc. While pontificating about how those poor souls back home should be governed by a Sharica Law dispensed by an ex Army colonel. While the REAL cleric is pushed aside in the power struggle. Hypocricy at it's FINEST!!!!
Law BRAVO!!!! on your last post. 2
You nailed it mate. Not Aiman, not Arabman, not ANYONE attempted to dispel Nur's notions. Why ?? Because they're unable to. They KNOW it to be sound reasoning. Therefore, it can't be dispelled. Insted they cheerlead 1nemansquad. (Exception of Galol and Sir Lug's attempts to turn it into qabiil noted) 
Law26May be You have some legitimate conviction but NO courtesy ,You don't need insulting the forum with your
Aussie attitude , Nobody here is saying I support Sheikh Aweys or Indhocade ,,, But the majority of genuine Somalis feel its time for Shari'a Law in Somalia , and it has to start somewhere . atleast the Islamic Courts started something do You have idea or know so far any alternate groups ? or You just love keep coming your wacky attacks every time You dine well-done Kangaroo steak and start hurting everybodies feeling ! by smacking Clanists,
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But again, to ALLLL of you. In your haste to jump down MY throat, not one. Repeat, NOT ONE!!!!!! of you all has adressed Laws contention that NOBODY has even ATTEMPTED to refute Nur's post. NOT ONE!!!!!!!!! And THAT!!!! peeps, speaks VOLUMES!!!!!"
What you are on man? This post is not first time he is posting he posted before. I gave him my opinion about it. Just because I added little humor a side about their dress because those Sheikhs in Somalia dress just like Yemenis with their little skirt and head cover (omamah). He thinks every one out there wants to get him, so he thought I was making fun of his people and being racist.
He will not listen to any one. Forget the Court , People hate/opposite them for a variety of reasons, political, tribal, cultural (some Somalis believe they are copycat of Salafi movement in Saudi Arabia), or religion reasons or maybe other good reasons. More directly of my concern here is his attitude.
Just disagree with him on some thing and you are in his black file for rest of your Snet life. He displays a lack of understanding, Poor reading skills along with confidence that he know what he is talking about.....simply he just sees people's nick and hooop he starts bad mouthing.
We all know where Arab Man stands that is why he doesn't need to address it.
What you are on man? This post is not first time he is posting he posted before. I gave him my opinion about it. Just because I added little humor a side about their dress because those Sheikhs in Somalia dress just like Yemenis with their little skirt and head cover (omamah). He thinks every one out there wants to get him, so he thought I was making fun of his people and being racist.
He will not listen to any one. Forget the Court , People hate/opposite them for a variety of reasons, political, tribal, cultural (some Somalis believe they are copycat of Salafi movement in Saudi Arabia), or religion reasons or maybe other good reasons. More directly of my concern here is his attitude.
Just disagree with him on some thing and you are in his black file for rest of your Snet life. He displays a lack of understanding, Poor reading skills along with confidence that he know what he is talking about.....simply he just sees people's nick and hooop he starts bad mouthing.
We all know where Arab Man stands that is why he doesn't need to address it.
Last edited by The rebel on Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:09 am, edited 1 time in total.
Muslims in Somalia........do your thing!
May Allah increase them in fiqh, ilm, hikma & fahm......I hope Allah guides their actions into wise ones.
never worry about "the blame of the blamers" or the labelers.......the ones who try to label you wannabe Wahabbis or fake Salafis or whatever.
May Allah make Somalia an example for the rest of the Muslim world to not be afraid of living according to the way Allah intends for us.
sura ma'idah aya 54
" O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islâm), Allâh will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allâh, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allâh which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allâh is AllÂSufficient for His creatures' needs, AllÂKnower."
May Allah increase them in fiqh, ilm, hikma & fahm......I hope Allah guides their actions into wise ones.
never worry about "the blame of the blamers" or the labelers.......the ones who try to label you wannabe Wahabbis or fake Salafis or whatever.
May Allah make Somalia an example for the rest of the Muslim world to not be afraid of living according to the way Allah intends for us.
sura ma'idah aya 54
" O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islâm), Allâh will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allâh, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allâh which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allâh is AllÂSufficient for His creatures' needs, AllÂKnower."
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Salahuddiin
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Law
So Allah's law can't be installed in Somalia because somalis aren't ready for it? With that argument you could go on thousands of years because somalis and muslims won't ever be like in the time of asahaba what was the best generation that ever will be in muslim ummah. They were the best of the men in mankind who were chosen by Allah to spread the religion.
Today the situation in the muslim world is that some are good and some (usually majority) are bad and westernized but still that doesn't take away the Qur'an and orders from Allah how muslim country should be run You and I both know what Allah said about the ones who rule with something else than what Allah has revealed: they go out from pale of Islam and become kuffaar.
What is your alternative for Sharica law? When it should be installed and how Somalia should be governed before that?
So Allah's law can't be installed in Somalia because somalis aren't ready for it? With that argument you could go on thousands of years because somalis and muslims won't ever be like in the time of asahaba what was the best generation that ever will be in muslim ummah. They were the best of the men in mankind who were chosen by Allah to spread the religion.
Today the situation in the muslim world is that some are good and some (usually majority) are bad and westernized but still that doesn't take away the Qur'an and orders from Allah how muslim country should be run You and I both know what Allah said about the ones who rule with something else than what Allah has revealed: they go out from pale of Islam and become kuffaar.
What is your alternative for Sharica law? When it should be installed and how Somalia should be governed before that?
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Queen Elizabeth
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Homer Simpso
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Law
Even your claims of Islamness seems somehow bleached, drained of all meaning and vigour. I have more respect for the moronic honesty of simpletons like Arabman and Aiman and the childlike parroting of the confused young like Squad than I do for you slippery as eel views.
What is it you want Law? You are claerly intelligent enough and coherent enough to cut the haze you surround yourself with and make unambigous stance on at least one issue. The idea that there are no sects in isalm is so sterile and so fallacious historically, spiritually and factually that it reeks of rank dishonesty. Islam alawys had sects and differences and opinions and subsects and Mujtahedeen and different routes and disagreements. Those still continue as it goes against the grain of Man's nature for 1,200 million individuals to agree on something as woolly and ambigous yet fundamental as religious ideology. It will be exteemely unnatural and disturbing if they all agrred and everything was in Orwellian uniform.
This is on your part more than lack of intellectual rigour it is plain disingenuity. So again where do you stand Law? Do you want Sharia rule or secular rule? If Sharia rule rocks your boat do you have a precedent that appeals to you or you want to start from year Zero? Since you are sectless perhaps you like the Iran model? or Hezbollah's relative (in comparion to wahabbism) tolerance in the areas they rule?
If you dont want Sharia and see faith as spiritual vehicle only then hey you are with me.
Lastly I do not insult God or Muhamed so stop being a candhabuur. I very occassionally criticise Muhammed and insist there is No allah sitting up in the sky reachable through a flying mule. that is not an insult that is an opinion. But one cledarly needs a degree of wisdom to know the difference.
Even your claims of Islamness seems somehow bleached, drained of all meaning and vigour. I have more respect for the moronic honesty of simpletons like Arabman and Aiman and the childlike parroting of the confused young like Squad than I do for you slippery as eel views.
What is it you want Law? You are claerly intelligent enough and coherent enough to cut the haze you surround yourself with and make unambigous stance on at least one issue. The idea that there are no sects in isalm is so sterile and so fallacious historically, spiritually and factually that it reeks of rank dishonesty. Islam alawys had sects and differences and opinions and subsects and Mujtahedeen and different routes and disagreements. Those still continue as it goes against the grain of Man's nature for 1,200 million individuals to agree on something as woolly and ambigous yet fundamental as religious ideology. It will be exteemely unnatural and disturbing if they all agrred and everything was in Orwellian uniform.
This is on your part more than lack of intellectual rigour it is plain disingenuity. So again where do you stand Law? Do you want Sharia rule or secular rule? If Sharia rule rocks your boat do you have a precedent that appeals to you or you want to start from year Zero? Since you are sectless perhaps you like the Iran model? or Hezbollah's relative (in comparion to wahabbism) tolerance in the areas they rule?
If you dont want Sharia and see faith as spiritual vehicle only then hey you are with me.
Lastly I do not insult God or Muhamed so stop being a candhabuur. I very occassionally criticise Muhammed and insist there is No allah sitting up in the sky reachable through a flying mule. that is not an insult that is an opinion. But one cledarly needs a degree of wisdom to know the difference.
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michael_ital
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[quote="The rebel"]EDIT: This post was for Law26. Therefore, Arab Man do not think that was for you. You are my buddy until farther notice. You are lesser evil compared to Law26, MAC MAD.
Law26
Your whole post is just...funny. I really mean it.
I have not seen that "I'm smarter than all of you...." attitude in ages.
On side note, why you repeat the same message over and over? I mean 'some one on other forum says this and that'. Are they some sort of priests, rabis or even Aayatullah?
No need to get all angery and shoot. I am out. I just had to say that. I couldn't rasist. [/quote]
Reb, is this the post you meant ? ^^ Where you added a little humour ?? (It had been edited, so I didn't see the bit about the dress LOL) But to answer a question, Nur was/is NOT "some sort of priests, rabis or even Aayatullah?" but a well respected, if not THE most respected member of Snet. Along the lines of Viking, Wiseman and a few others. When I was just a reader, he was still posting. He began to drift shortly after, as he didn't like the direction Snet was taking. He now prefers the more cerebral setting of SOL. Hence Law's reasoning for using his argument against Sharia here in Snet, as he knew old timers like Arabman, Galol, etc, would remember him. And recognizing the fact Nur was well respected here, they would respond in kind. No go though, I see, though Salahauddiin did finally address it. I just simply asked for you and others to put your personal feelings abot Law aside for a moment and address Nur's argument. Nothing more, nothing less. Peace Reb.
Salahuddiin, Good post. You raised some valid questions.
>Today the situation in the muslim world is that some are good and some (usually majority) are bad and westernized but still that doesn't take away the Qur'an and orders from Allah how muslim country should be run<
When I reverted, the Imam told me just one thing. "Follow NOOO sects. Just read your Q'uran for guidance, and you'll be fine." And those words have served me well. But following Awey's interpretation of Sharia I don't feel is best for Somalia. I'd feel better if Ahmed were actually the certifiable leader. But that's just my opinion.
Law26
Your whole post is just...funny. I really mean it. I have not seen that "I'm smarter than all of you...." attitude in ages.
On side note, why you repeat the same message over and over? I mean 'some one on other forum says this and that'. Are they some sort of priests, rabis or even Aayatullah?
No need to get all angery and shoot. I am out. I just had to say that. I couldn't rasist.
[/quote]Reb, is this the post you meant ? ^^ Where you added a little humour ?? (It had been edited, so I didn't see the bit about the dress LOL) But to answer a question, Nur was/is NOT "some sort of priests, rabis or even Aayatullah?" but a well respected, if not THE most respected member of Snet. Along the lines of Viking, Wiseman and a few others. When I was just a reader, he was still posting. He began to drift shortly after, as he didn't like the direction Snet was taking. He now prefers the more cerebral setting of SOL. Hence Law's reasoning for using his argument against Sharia here in Snet, as he knew old timers like Arabman, Galol, etc, would remember him. And recognizing the fact Nur was well respected here, they would respond in kind. No go though, I see, though Salahauddiin did finally address it. I just simply asked for you and others to put your personal feelings abot Law aside for a moment and address Nur's argument. Nothing more, nothing less. Peace Reb.
Salahuddiin, Good post. You raised some valid questions.
>Today the situation in the muslim world is that some are good and some (usually majority) are bad and westernized but still that doesn't take away the Qur'an and orders from Allah how muslim country should be run<
When I reverted, the Imam told me just one thing. "Follow NOOO sects. Just read your Q'uran for guidance, and you'll be fine." And those words have served me well. But following Awey's interpretation of Sharia I don't feel is best for Somalia. I'd feel better if Ahmed were actually the certifiable leader. But that's just my opinion.
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