Somaliland will free Somalia and Somalis from the ICU

[Cilmiile]

"you know what maybe the UIC is a good thing,
Somaliland need a threat, Puntland was never much of a threat. "

Gurey25,

That is a shocking statement. Does the viability of Somaliland depend on presence of convenient enemy nearby?

Brings to mind the quote by the Nazi guy at Nuremburg:

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

[fagash_killer]

[quote="gurey25"]Fagashkiller the mistake you frequently make is that you give value to Dahir riyale.

Dahir riayle is a nobody.

the common struggles have nothing to do with Dahir riyale or his cronies.


you know what maybe the UIC is a good thing,
Somaliland need a threat, Puntland was never much of a threat.

hope fully the UIC will cause enough of a commotion to allow for the early retirement of Dahir riyale and his merry men.

This will alow for the constitution to go under overhaul.[/quote]

i dont give value to dahir riyaale,why else do you think i support the uic above dahir riyaale, qabiil barii hore laga baxay sxb, dahir riyaale waa niin tuug ah, waa an warlod, and just like those others warlords in the souths, dont i support these walords in the north, but the problem is he is beeing choised at an democracy way, but when i saw that isaaqs voted for him two times, than i thought he must be better than those other 2 warlords, lets be honest, if silanyo ore waraabe were beeing choised as the president of somaliland, than i could bet that they were using their tribal card, ore their snm agenda, to invade lascanood, and other darood places, silanyo is ok, but waraabe, that dude is stupid, he sounds like qanyare.


you know what maybe the UIC is a good thing,
Somaliland need a threat, Puntland was never much of a threat.

no thats the mistake you guys are making, if we look at threat than i should say afbijo is better than the uic, the uic are using difficult siyasaad, supported by the outside world, like arabs, the difficult thing here is that they are using diin,and you dont know really if they are tribalist, and they have brought peace in to somalia, so somalis dont know really if they are really those former warlords, ore if they are peacefully wadaads who want peace,afbijo is an blinded stupid warlord, alot of somalis know his agenda, so that makes it hard for other somalis even daroods to support him, if he was in the same situation as the uiic, could somaliland eassily defeated him, just like in siyaad barre days, are this guys blinded, but for siyaad barre was it hard, cuss his army came just defeated of the ogaden war, and when they were weak, did habaashis used divide and rule stragegy, and thats why you guys could defeat him, but this time is not easy for somaliland, also if we look at leadership, this warlords in the north are not about to trust, the uic, could use this time divide and rule strategy in somaliland, isaaqs are divided now, between udub supporters, wadaad supporters, and anti faqash, they sucdeed to divide reer burco, with their media, they are spreading propagandas, now they control 80% of somalia, this guys are really brilliant when it comes to siyasaad, but only time will tell, only the problem of them is that just like those others before him, are to greedy, going to other places, although i understand why they wanted kismayo, and some other places, but they shouldnt really said somaliland, cuss alot of somalilanders including the goverment were thinking this guys just like the usc are going after daroods, but only time will tell

[qudhac-m]

Faqash

What do u mean? do you hate everything that works in this world?

[gurey25]

[quote="Cilmiile"]"you know what maybe the UIC is a good thing,
Somaliland need a threat, Puntland was never much of a threat. "

Gurey25,

That is a shocking statement. Does the viability of Somaliland depend on presence of convenient enemy nearby?

Brings to mind the quote by the Nazi guy at Nuremburg:

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."[/quote]


No only you doubt the viability of Somaliland.
I was saying that a viable threat is needed to patch up inter isaaq fueds.
Puntland was never considered a threat.

The 20,000 SL troops near caynabo are on a paid vacation and are not suposed to do anything but sit on thier asses.
Riyale was never interested in war, Lascanood just presented an oppurtunity to keep the army away from Hargiesa


Infact many people are against this waste full deployment and mismanagement. We should have stuck to the 1991 plan for demobilisation to 5000-6000 well trained professional army, and rely on
reserves i.e clan millitias.




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FaqashK i know you are so pumped by the UIC
but remember the fundementals have never changed, Geography doesnt change.What was valid in 1980 is still valid now.

[smooth]

exactly the same speeches the marexaans made prior to the capture of Kismaayo so far the only person that gave the ICU slight challenge was Abdiqeybdiid and his small 'hutu' alliances, lets see and waite who's the next herotic brave-heart to shed some blood

[DawladSade]

^where you see mareexaan fighting? that they lost? don't let your words come back to bite you in the ass.

[smooth]

^ roadrunner. If only you were as courageous as your female's

[DawladSade]

cool

[smooth]

^ hope barre hiraale could maintain that state

[ABSAME']

[quote="Intruder"][quote="ABSAME'"]
Shankaroon, What is that you putting Somalia alongside "Somaliland" as If they are mutually exclusive? Don't let these fools trick you girl . There is only one Somalia, so the sub-lands like Puntland and Somalialnd will be dealt with in the future[/quote]

I wonder if you think it includes your Ogaden. Face it Cagdhere boy, the dream of Somaliweyn is dead, but it's even more extinct for your Ogaden people.[/quote]

Somaliwayn has nothing to do with Somalia. Somalia is Somalia and will remain that way. Somaliwayn was a policy that failed and its retrieval from the dust will only blur the eyes. I suggest you work toward the unity and the territorial integrity of Somalia, not dismember for the sole interest of Qabiil even if your clan is at disadvantagous position in competing against Hawiye and Daarood.


What do you have in Hargeisa and Burco that merits for the benefit of secession. In NIgeria, I can concur with the secessionists in the Delta region because they have resources.

[gurey25]

why do anti-secessionist always resort to the resources argument?
even though it is clearly illogical, they still persist.

Haile salasie claimed that all somalia was historicaly part of Abysinia
and that somalia cannot survive economically without ethiopia


same argument was used against eritrea

[Galol]

Smooth

Loooool@Roadrunner!

Sorry Dowlad dont mean to take sides but that was funny as hell!

[ABSAME']

He was very wrong when he said Somalia cannot survive without Ethiopia. It is Ethiopia that can't survive without Somalia.

British Somaliland territories , 50% of which are anti-secessionist Harti clan of Daaroods are part of Puntland state. Where will you draw the boundary before we go to the south. The South does not need to interfere this old protectorate. It can only intervene after the people of this protectorate both Harti and Isaaq are united for this cause. Well, you have to know Somalia is one, unitary state.


Do you hear that fools , a unitary state.

[Ceelgabo]

[quote="Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE"]Qaldaans maxeey ismodeen( )[/quote]

Qaldaans are your rulers, so have some respect Hutu boy...