Saqawadin and Dheere Xaaji Dheere, TWo RER XAMAR nationalist

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quote="Cilmiile"]Absame,

dhere xaaji dheere was Majeerteen.

Sakhaawadiin was Barawaani

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Cilmile

Dhere xaji dhere is not amajerten, he is Bandhabow, a sub clan of reer banadir, I know and I am friends with his grandchildren

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Muradi

You are Midgaans Cad Cad and Buntustan was right to treat you as such

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Qudhac



Taking into consideration of what you scribble in this discussion boards, you sound like a confused old man bordering between retaining your Islamic faith and submitting to Kaafirnimo, you are delusional, confused and above all drunk.

Back in the good days, we used to shower your type with pellets, casted stones and called Alkoliste, umbriako until the police disperse us and take you to custody, but you are safe in the west

[galia]

ABSAME u ogaden peasent these reer xamar ppl are nothing but outcaste, don't boost their worthless spirit.

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[quote="galia"]ABSAME u ogaden peasent these reer xamar ppl are nothing but outcaste, don't boost their worthless spirit.[/quote]



galia


you sound like our maid (boyeso) in Mog, she was a blabbermouth just like you and a Habar Girir just like you

[DR-YALAXOOW]

dheere xaaji dheere was reer xamar jareer weyne all yaa raxma he was not majeerreerteen...


what about reer xamar or gibil cad not been real soomalis!!

,if you look close daroood niggers and hes flow ARAB kid isaaqs are always claime to be ARABS, darood binu yemen and isaaq binu suuriya,

THIS TWO negros can not be more soomali than reer xamar or reer baraawe..

reer xamars reer baraawanis come to somaliya before this 2 run away kunte kintas slaves (daroods and isaaq )come somalia.

somalia will never be in peace before we gett ridd off parasites daroods and other arab nigger isaaqs!!

remember this you illegitimate children of binu arab binu yemen binu haashim godd willing we will send you back to yemen and suuriya kunte kintaas!!!

[Cilmiile]

My apologies all reer Xamars.

Dheere is not majeerteen after all. I stand corrected.

Crazy,

Dhagaxtuur fighting took place where the monument stood. And you are right the Italians recruited locals, mostly abgaal, to agitate for the return of Italy.

And later on the Trusteeship administration used to create mobs to agitate for extension of AFIS.

Read Sylvia Pankhurst's book on Italian colonialism in Africa.

[Galol]

Cilmiile

If a goat farts perfume in Nepal you will lay solemn sounding claim of its true daaroodness. "what other goat has the ability to fart perfume except a freedom-fighting Daarood goat" So no wonder you misappropriated Mr. Dhere and caught red-handed.

Anyway the fact Italy and Britain wanted to stay a little longer has more to do with Europe's paternalistic attitudes to its colonies than an interest to rule the place indefintely. Briatin also advised indeed begged the Northern elites to wait a little longer so that Briatin could train enough cadre to manage the place. They rejected out of hand. Britain also said to the Northerners not to join with the south immediately " You have never been together before..and they had ten years of headstart on you in self-administration" pleaded the Duke of Gloucester with Micahel Mariano. The answer was no.

Same thing with the Italians. They just wanted to hand over the place after training enough people capable of running the country after their departure. They were fast-tracking trainees in all areas from Medicine to Police officer corps but they just wasnt enough time.

The Mijerteimns already had a rung of low level admin personnel who knew they will jump up a rung immediately after independence while hawiyes knew they havent. History proved both sides right and proved both Italy and Britain right too.

[Cilmiile]

Galool

That was an honest mistake and I acknowledged my mistake. Being Daarood I have a surfeit of heroes, poets, warriors, statesmen and freedom fighter. God has not made me poor in that respect. I dont know the tribal breakdown of the SYL but I am sure we have a plurality there, at the very least. Almost every great initiative of Somalis was as a result of Daarood.

As for your little theory that the Hawiye were trying to delay the onset of independence because they were, supposedly, slightly more backward of the Majeerteen educationally does not hold water.

It is true that the bulk of the pro-Italian factions were Hawiye, specially Abgaal. The reason I drew attention to this point is not to identify all Hawiye as pro-Italian. That is manifestly untrue. It was to exclude Majeerteen from massive pro-Italian sentiment as you implied in another thread.

The majority of the Hawiye, specially the SYL members, were for independence in the earliest possible time. But they were not militantly anti Italian, mostly because they were ruling the the Somali Trusteeship governments of the late fifties. The Majeerteens, however, were stridently anti Italian mostly because of an uneasiness that the Italians were grooming the Hawiye to take over Somalia.

And that is where your little theory falls apart that the Majeerteens, because of their headstart, were poised to take over. It is true that they had a very sophisticated political machine, both inside the SYL, and outside of it. Their businessmen were influential and wealthy. One of the leading lights of the Police/Military establishment was Maxamed ABshir. In short they were in a good position.

But so were the Hawiye who were governing the AFIS self-rule governments because of the plurality they enjoyed in the south and their cooperation with the Raxanweyn.

Hawiye were very confident that they would take over post-colonial Somalia. And they were not willing to upset the apple cart.

This equation fell apart because of:

- Cabdilaahi Ciise's lack of political acumen. A marvelous, honest fellow but not the best guy to have in the cut throat Somali political arena. Cabdilaahi failed to shore up his political base and, even worse, he alienated the Raxanweyn who held the balance of power between Daarood and Hawiye. By the time of independence Raxanweyn, who were originally very suspicious and hostile to Daarood, were disillusioned with the Hawiye and receptive to raprochement with Daarood.

-The wholesale support of the Harti members of the USP, and even some non-Harti behind the Daarood candidate for Prime Minister.


Your belief that our massive social and political problems derive from the premature expulsion of the colonialists is laughable.

The colonialists had a very long time to carry out those tasks of preparing the Somalis for independence. But they were not so inclined because they wanted the people to be just educated enough to serve them well, but ignorant enough to remain politically unaware.

They only undertook the desultory efforts at preparing Somalis for statehood when it became inevitable, and in the case of Italy, Statutory.