Punaniland vs the fake Galmudug

[AbdiWahab252]

Pablo: Answer these 2 questions:

1. Why did the UIC decide to invade GalMudug ?
2. Why should the Sacad decide to support the UIC when they are invading GalMudug ?

I didn't really care initially when the UIC took Xamar. But when they decided to invade Sacad land is when I became very opposed to the UIC.

The problem with the UIC is that they are to quick to fight instead of thinking longterms. What do the UIC gain from invading Sacad land ? Why create more enemies especially ones who could be your allies ?

Caagoweyne is opposed by his own clan. Why ? Do the Sacad have to support whoever the UIC appoints ? Caagoweyne is regarded as a dhabodilif.

Can't the UIC just leave the Sacad alone ?

Remember, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It was the UIC who forced us to make alliances with the Puntlanders & Ethiopians because we are not in a position to take on the whole Hawiye invasion force who are backed up by the Arab states, Oromo & Eritrea.

The Sacad would have never invaded Cayr land at all. No matter what you folks did.

[Nolol cusub]

Abdiwahab,



The time for such talk has passed.


Sacads have created the old Habargidir allaince that produced Oct 3rd, pushed Bare out of power and then into exile. The other Habargidir "siblings" have uselessly destroyed everything that generation worked for.



It will take the hardwork of another Sacad genaration to bring about another Habargidir allaince that is centered on Habargidir interest. It will take at least 50 years to remedy what these useless people did.



Hobyo on its own.


We will have our own defensive and constructive agendas regarding Habargidir, Hawiye, and Somalia. None of the people who are involved in Sacad, Habargidir, Hawiye or Somali politics will have an input in this agenda.

Nolol Cusub

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[AbdiWahab252]

Nolol, You went from being a left winger to a extreme right wing conservative very quickly.

But yes, the time for talk has ended.

[Nolol cusub]

They do not appy in Somalia



An example of defensive and constructive HOBYO AGENDA would have been THE 1993 MUDUG LEADERSHIP having the skill and the foresight of creating local democratic political institutions, effective legal institutions, constitutionalized security apparatus for the areas of Mudug that they controlled and gradually and cooperatively shared these institutions with other Habargidir Subclans THEN MOVING TO HAWIYE SUBCLANS.


Had there been a movement in that direction it would have been extremely unlikely that we would have had the present outcome.


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Every construction must be started from the bottom even the big ones that fall

[AbdiWahab252]

Nolol, So lets start a ProGalmudug Discussion group somewhere. Send me a PM if your are interested

[Ugaas Diini]

Abdiwahab, where does GalMudug start and end? Is Gelinsoor part of this state? What about Galkacyo?

[AbdiWahab252]

Ugaas Diini, GalMudug starts 10kms south of Gelinsoor all the way up to Galkacyo. It also includes the District of Hobyo all the way up to the border with Xarardheere. There are negotations to include the Saruur into the state.

[smooth]

[quote]smooth: Pablo wants Sacad blood. He won't care for any dhabodilif at all[quote]

I really have to laugh at this Dhabodilif term your using just as much as i laughed when Zenawi called Shariif a Terrorist in his own country, I'll give my blood for anyone that fights in the cause of Islam and in this case ICU, not Zenawi and his dhabodilif's Puppets.

[quote]"It was the UIC who forced us to make alliances with the Puntlanders & Ethiopians because we are not in a position to take on the whole Hawiye invasion force who are backed up by the Arab states, Oromo & Eritrea"[quote]

Stop these cries that Oromo's & Eritreans are fighting beside's ICU refrain from these accusations until you present clear proof, you would have had a sound moral case if you showed me images of "eritrean" or "arab" fighters, the loosing opponents is always quick to point it's fingers at foreign interferances, Kheyrdiid with the help of the Yanks couldnt succeed so spare me this foreign interferance talks

The only war your waging now is the Propaganda war

1. Why did the UIC decide to invade GalMudug ?

Kheyrdiid was there with his Niqab brainwashing the innocent people, extradicting all delegates and Wadaads to the Yanks for randsom, setting up a new era of Isbaaro looting families from the little source of income they gained, Butchering those that went against his mule mentality mainly those of minority clans, threatening to reinforce and recapture xamar, but it was mainly the outcry of the delegate citizens that made ICU intervene.


2. Why should the Sacad decide to support the UIC when they are invading GalMudug ?

I can go on forever, you lack simple Logic to ask a Question like this

[Nolol cusub]

"Kheyrdiid was there with his Niqab brainwashing the innocent people, extradicting all delegates and Wadaads to the Yanks for randsom, setting up a new era of Isbaaro looting families from the little source of income they gained, Butchering those that went against his mule mentality mainly those of minority clans, threatening to reinforce and recapture xamar, but it was mainly the outcry of the delegate citizens that made ICU intervene."



The court boys deserve no discussion of ideas and facts. They keep echeoing sheikh dahir's july statements.



Fact one:


The campaign and organization to have an effective adminstration in Mudug began at least a year and half prior to the courts enterence to Somali politics. It was born out of the genuine desire from the people Mudug to have a working adminstration for Sacads in Mudug. For instance, last winter there were Some Sacad elders who travelled across America and as far as Tennessee to collect donations for this adminstration.



Fact two:


Galmudug came into existentce out of this broad approval. A large demonstration was held in support of the adminstration in Galkacyo.




Fact three:


The adminstration was not given a chance. It was declared an outlaw both by the courts and by the warlords in the tigre government. Typical court agitational tactics was put in motion. Next, a military operation ensued.




Conclusion:


Mudug people chose to exrecise their God given democratic rights and we all must respect that. THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE DRAWN THE LINE.




NC

[smooth]

Still havent spoken about kheyrdiid's presence after eviction from xamar, how he sought shelter there extradicting delegates/wadaads and opposers until this very day and you got the audicity to Bark democracy? get out of here you Hypocrite dhabodilif FAG

There is more Democracy in the ICU were they freely let the minority opposers in there territorial ground live in peace

[Nolol cusub]

I think it is time you people be shut down.



You are at best careless debator or radically influenced


My views on the little sacad man are on record. I hold both him and the courts the least respect.



Sticking to the debate?



Challenge the three facts that was put forward.




NC


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