Islamic justification for TFG?

[Cawar]

MM

We are at forum just discussing ...remember???

Ok...>"What defeat is there when no UIC leaders have been caught"

Do you really think I would enjoy seeing Sheik Sharif or others(except Indha Cadde and Aweis) being cought and handed to American or being killed despite their very stupid negligence and hard headedness??

Well I dont..but now that we have TFG which wont last more than three yrs unless constitutionally unless people re-elect them lets work for OUR country...thats my suggestion but feel free to disagree..just do it civilly PLZ..

And yes...the Ethiopian forces are tools to be returned to their toll boxes when the job is done.

[Salahuddiin]

Lacagey

Yeah bro I don't think we will ever see answer from them in this topic.

When UIC was in power it was praised by somali culamaa like Cumar Faaruuq and Umal but I didn't see yet any sheikh talking good about TFG.

[muslim-man]

Cawar,

TFG lost all respect & credibility the day it invited Ethiopia to invade Somalia. That kind of infamy is not something they can easily recover from. A/Yusuf may be interested in ruling Somalia (however corrupt his government will be), but many others in his government & outside are not interested in having a functioning Somali government. Even Ethiopia has plans of her own, they spent a lot of time & money in their invasion of Somalia, you think they want to share the cake with A/Yusuf & Co. when they can have all of it?

The UIC had many issues, but they were serious about their goals. They'd a long list of accomplishments, whereas the TFG has absolutely none. Somalis are not daft, they know who is good to them & who wants to harm them, I believe the results speak for themselves.

It makes no sense to me to support the TFG when I know that they are a mirage, they exist only by name, on the ground they are a bunch of hyenas who don't know what to do with their prey (Somalia).

[Salahuddiin]

Cawar

I'm really glad that not every somali is qabilist that lets the extreme love of his qabiil to throw his religion out of the window. Mosque where I usually pray is mostly Daarood, majority of it's administration and the Imam is from Daarood but they really hate traitors and what they did to Somalia. They collected money to send to UIC and now recently every friday khutba is about the treason of TFG and how they sold out Islam and their country.

Can you show me even one TFG-supporter that isn't a qabiilist or a secularist? To this day every TFG-fan I met fits to one of these categories.

[muslim-man]

[quote="Salahuddiin"]

When UIC was in power it was praised by somali culamaa like Cumar Faaruuq and Umal but I didn't see yet any sheikh talking good about TFG.[/quote]

Sh. Umal actually went to Mogadishu & was at the opening ceremony of Masaajidka Isbaheysiga, a very proud moment for me because I used to go dugsi at this masjid when I was young.

[Salahuddiin]

[quote=muslim-man]TFG lost all respect & credibility the day it invited Ethiopia to invade Somalia. That kind of infamy is not something they can easily recover from. A/Yusuf may be interested in ruling Somalia (however corrupt his government will be), but many others in his government & outside are not interested in having a functioning Somali government. Even Ethiopia has plans of her own, they spent a lot of time & money in their invasion of Somalia, you think they want to share the cake with A/Yusuf & Co. when they can have all of it?

The UIC had many issues, but they were serious about their goals. They'd a long list of accomplishments, whereas the TFG has absolutely none. Somalis are not daft, they know who is good to them & who wants to harm them, I believe the results speak for themselves.

It makes no sense to me to support the TFG when I know that they are a mirage, they exist only by name, on the ground they are a bunch of hyenas who don't know what to do with their prey (Somalia). [/quote]

Masha Allah bro well said

We just see what will happen, game is long way for being over. I remember Bush saying mission accomplished more than 3 years ago and every day after that until this day americans were killed like flies and they are losing the war, no matter how many munaafiqiin they got on their side. There are many similarities if you compare situations in Iraq and Somalia.

[Cawar]

"Can you show me even one TFG-supporter that isn't a qabiilist or a secularist?"

Ok I like to think that I am not qabilist...feel free to judge me as you lik..
However, what do you mean by secularist?? are you denying the fact that Islam's cardinal teachings promote democracy?? are you saying that unless we have a Taliban style (Wahabi/Salafi-Saudi inspired)govrnment there is no Islam??

We really need to go deeper into how strict or simple Islam is ...remember " A-Diinu Yusran, Wa Laysa Cusran".




MM

All I can see is your stubborness in supporting the long gone ICU and not wanting anything to do with the TFG even it means that they will eventually bring stability back into Somalia..

BUt lets see what they can do in the next few months.

[muslim-man]

[quote="Salahuddiin"]Mosque where I usually pray is mostly Daarood, majority of it's administration and the Imam is from Daarood but they really hate traitors and what they did to Somalia.
[/quote]

Salahudin,

My masjid is also similar to yours in that much of its congregates & the admin. are predmoninantly daarood, yet they are opposed to the TFG & their intentions. I don't think it's fair to label all daarood as being pro-TFG & anti-UIC, the UIC was a movement of mixed clans & had the support of different clans.

This is about Baadil Vs. Haq!

[Salahuddiin]

No there isn't a democracy. Now if you make every mooryaan and kaafir equal and let them vote, tomorrow you will live next to brothels and bars and Adhaan is forbidden because it disturbs some people. There should be a carefully chosen shuura making all decisions and electing leader from among them. No law should be made up by a man if there's an alternative in Qur'an or hadiith about the same thing and those aspects where there isn't a clear order, there should be shura comprising scholars of that particular issue and religious scholars, and culamaa should use fiqh and no law would come out without their religious acceptance.

Qur'an and ahadiith are very strict about the ruling by Islam and I already gave few examples in this topic, ignore or refute them if you like.

Now if you think we need culamaa to explain these verses go ahead and search, there's a scholarly consensus about this issue.

[muslim-man]

@Cawar,

I like to think of myself as being a realistic person, I know that the TFG is a facade & are ill prepared to handle the multitude issues in Somalia.

Example:

Thousands of Somalis were displaced by floods in Shabelle & Hiiraan regions a few months ago, the TFG did not do anything about this issue, in fact they ignored it, they did not even visit these regions.

In a time of a natural crisis & the TFG was not even there for it's citizens, what does that say about their true nature?

The UIC on the other hand named a comission headed by Sh. Mahamed Idris (my former imam in Atlanta) to handle the flooding crisis & were able to raise over $450,000 for the flood victims. The founder of Al-Barakat alone contributed $30,000 of his own money, while A/Yusuf & Geddi gave nothing.

Governments are judged on their actions & not on their intentions, the TFG has failed it's mission as a government, time to move on to something else.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Lac
I guess again I have failed to adequately communicate. So I'll try one more time. We are the ones with the power and that means we have the ability to kick your focking as$es whenever we feel like it. We're your worst nightmate - focking kufr with massive power. You start setting up Islamic anything and getting on our nerves, and we'll just fock you up. It's childs play.

[biko]

Allahu akbar!!!

[Karbaash_killa]

Mad Mac

Who are you..

TFG???

Ethiopian??

American??

Jew???


What ever you are i dont understand you're problems with Islam .

I mean every other person expressed their view while implying that they support whats best for Somalia but you're desturbingly offensive towards islam and i can't see what you're gettin at??

If You dislike Islam soo much then what are you hoping for a Christian, Jewish or Athiest Somali goverment??

What ever it is your one Twisted dude

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

How about just a normal Parliamentarian democracy. You know, like in Brazil, Malaysia, South Korea, Japan, Norway, Canada......got the idea??? Pick a successful model instead of one with a chip on its shoulder.

[Salahuddiin]

Yeah that's what I tought, no justification.

I'm not an caalim so I can't make a great accusation like they are murtaddiin/munaafiqiin but everything I've ever learned from my Diin indicates to that. I wish that some caalim would make a statement about this issue.

But if that was the case and I was in Somalia, I'd much rather attack TFG soldiers than Ethiopians because there is no worse creature on earth than munaafiq. Bottom of Hell is preserved for them. Ethiopians and TFG are both same shit but the fact that TFG are supposed to be muslims makes them much more evil and worse.