President and Somalia??

[Darbaweyne]

I like the innocence on Aden Cadde face. Then Abdi Rashid because he didn't have a chance to show what he was made of but questions on why he was killed and by who. The rest on your list were and are lunatics.

Loool at A.Yusuf Ethiopian

[Warsame101]

The uninformed younglings have once again ruined a topic with their nonsense. KK, if you knew your history, you would have conceded that the longest in office has no bearing on one’s achievements.

The 60's government haven’t achieved anything worth mentioning apart from some minuscule goals. They were debating for 10 years of how to adopt a new Somali script let alone focus on the welfare of the people. The first two presidents, Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmaake (RH) and Aaden Cabdullaahi Cusmaan (RH) were educated and good presidents but unfortunately did not have any influence or power in their parliaments. Anyone who has done his research would conclude that the 60's government degenerated into anarchy. There was heavy corruption and a high level of tribalism based affairs. In the 1969 elections, there were over 1000 clan-based candidates and over 70 parties for fewer than 130 seats. The Somali population was simply tired of this power struggle, disunity and pseudo-democracy. Somalia, during that period, received the highest foreign aid per capita in comparison to other African states but there was practically little development projects to no visible improvement in the standard of living. The aid money went straight in to the pockets of the politicians. Most of the custom duties were pocketed by civil servants; hospitals were selling their medicines to local pharmacies; and government-owned cars were being used as taxis. There was no minimum basis for national cooperation and high decree of moral decay was prevalent. This is why M S Barre started a campaign exposing the thievery and mismanagement of the political leaders in the early months after the coup.

This is when Maxamed Siyaad Barre (RH) staged the revolution which was welcomed by every Somali.

Within three years, M S Barre achieved goals that took the previous government forever to decide on. He put in effect the choice of a script for the national language. Civil servants of up to 30,000 students were sent to the baaddiye to educate the nomads in literacy. Industry, banks and businesses were nationalised. Cooperative farms were promoted. Rehabilitation programs were created for drought victims. At least 30,000 students and teachers took part in the rescue-operation with the backing of $20 million. The SN Army was increased from 10,000 to 40,000. He banned foreigners from taking in posts that could be filled by Somalis. Rent was reduced, prices were frozen.

The 70's was marked as the best era of Somalia. Kids grew up with no single regard to their qabiil. Somalis displayed the "Somalia against the World" and "Somalia on the top of the World" attitudes.

This is manifested in the words of Abdi Sheikh Abdi:

Quote
"It can hardly be denied that Somalia under its present leadership has achieved some impressive results. This is most apparent to someone, like myself, who had been out of the country for many years. A good number of ambitious projects have been started, and in part completed, under the military Government, including the rehabilitation and resettling of nomads who had lost their flocks during the 1974-5 Deba-Dhere drought. These destitute former herdsmen have been settled in farming and fishing co-operatives between the two perennial rivers of south-western Somalia. Other projects include the north-south tarmac highway, built with Chinese technical help, which connects the two main regions of the Somali Republic and thus has both economic and political roles to play. Other projects undertaken by the Barre regime, though less successful, have instilled a co-operative spirit and a work-ethic that had been woefully lacking in the Somalia of the 1960s. The germ of this new spirit is most discernable in the numerous revolutionary youth centres that have been established in recent years. I recall having been very moved by one of the songs sun by orphan girls who had known no other home but such a centre, and no other parent but the state:

It is a time of pleasant suprises
When one journeys from a place of
drought and desolation
to one of plenty and prosperity

There was a time
When I did not know my lineage
Now I have a father in [President] Siad.
A mother in the October Revolution
The flag is my uncle,
The land my grandfather,
The soil my grandmother...
End Quote

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... khAbdi.jpg

M S Barre changed the "Whom do you know?" question in to the "What do you know?" which aimed at strengthening the sense of unity and non-tribal identification.
M S Barre would often mention his salary in his public speeches and publish letters from Western Banks who wanted to persuade him in opening private banks in case he was overthrown.

David Laitin documents the contrast of the 60s government between the 70s M S Barre government (see images)

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Another point of unity was demonstrated when at least 300,000 showed up to hear M S Barre announce the Ethiopian war.

[Picture of M S Barre announcing the Ethiopian war in front of 300,000 people]
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... cesWar.jpg


It was when, ina Yusuf who was the first one to lead a clan-based coup and create the first clan-based militia, that things started deteriorating and M S Barre started getting suspicious and making grave mistakes which is unfortunate. I guess there is no such thing as a perfect leader.

Hate him or love him, ST and KK, but the 70's has been proven to be the best era of Somalia and the prime of his reign. Now would you share with us what the Mooryaans have achieved?

Sources:
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http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u111 ... Farahc.jpg

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[Darbaweyne]

[quote="Warsame101"]The 60's government haven’t achieved anything worth mentioning apart from some minuscule goals. [/quote]

care to elaborate

[Hiiraan boy]

[quote="eyes-only"]I'd vote for a reer xamar president [/quote]
i agree

[Karbaash_killa]

warsame.....

Interesting view point there.. But what worries me is that you’re justifying the unjustifiable..

No one has the right to turn a democratic nation into a dictatorship.. THAT’S A NO NO

The other thing is if corruption was evident and the military coupe was necessary then why hold on to the presidency for over 20 years suppressing and subjugating your people. Isn’t that greed at it most obvious form?/
If the corrupted where over thrown and you have achieved alot..does that then give you the right to abuse your power and your people to the point where they become fed up and vigorously hound you off the thrown?

[ilyas66]

this guys probobly ware born after 70ths .so they cant compare in 60yhs to 70ths-80yhts
if you would had been living in 60- 70.
you would be thinking twice wat you saying now.
every body knows that soamlis ahd their best time in 70-80.
thats why every body refers to good old days.
after the 80 things got shaky.
and thats when power strugle started.

[Karbaash_killa]

what your talking about isnt what where discussing here mate..

The longer a man has the better the chance of him producing acheivements....

and afweyne did so but .... n the other hand where did all the somali problems start..

was it when Afweyne stole the presidency...
or was it when somali broke apart.. everyone started fighting for qabiils and afweyne got kicked out..

If there was a democracy then there wouldnt be a need to kick out a dictator since his time would have been up longtime before the 80s ..the opressive and power greedy man would be gone...

So mentioning that he has acheived something doesnt make up for the fact that he has stolen the positon!!!

its like you saying

"that car is stolen..."

and me replying

"yea, but who ever stole it made it look nice.. "

its simply unjustifyable

does that justify stealing the car??

[ilyas66]

my yaung brother were bought new bed by father, he did not sleep that night cause he left
the day cause of the war, you probably living the house and sleeping his bed.
thats wat i known steeling, not the thigs that belong all of us like being presedent or minester.

[Karbaash_killa]

That bed we have given you back threw maxaamkiimta(UIC) and you was soo greatful that you brought 50 000 Xabshis..and American fighter jets...kiling and raping somalis in the course of invasion..

So its really easy to go from topic to topic...but the basic fact..is Afweyne Started Somali's problems By stealing the Pesidency and turning it into dictatorship..