Cilmiile Karbaash’s our Isaaq Snetter in under 41 posts

[Bagamundo]

Come on galol, he's taunting your beliefs. Calling you micheal maryama.

[Galol]

Bagamundo

I left Cilmiile to be dealt with by Xplaya who is a Master on history, poetry, oral folklore and everything in between.

[DawladSade]

adeer Galol hala ii dhaafo alle hasoo hanuuniyee.

[Intruder]

Candho has to consistently distort his malfeasant historical facts, his grandfather Afxkume was a homosexual who wed his own male cousin. Mad Mullah sodomized his Dhulo youth kinsmen right after he was done raping their mothers and fathers. His modern day Dhulos were used and abused foot message soldiers for Afweyne, they licked crumbs off Xamar’s pavements. With a despicable history like that, can you blame him for reinventing history. Somalia had two Doroo coward genocidal maniacs, both were chased like dogs from their dwellings by the rugged and durable Garxajis.

[1nemansquad]

Intruder, you and your gay fantasies, go live it for ones if you already haven't and spare us the homo-talk man.

[Intruder]

1man,
The Afxakume story is no fiction, it's the pride of your dhulo people.

[Young Royal]

[quote="Galol"]Young Royal

Why do I suspect you are not so young? You are absolutely right: There was never a Daarood attack on HY and there was never a Isaq attack on Darood in the annals of Somali clan history. The clan thing never works that way. It was always a subclan affair

But there was however two Daarod-led attacks on Isaqs in the 20th century: one in the guise of Islamism under Abdullah Hassan and the second in the guise of the Somali State in the 1980s. Isaqs defeated both. That is the historical fact.

The fact that HY unarguably led the first victory and claim to have lead the second, perhaps a little more arguably, is there for all to see.[/quote]

^I guess we young people grow too fast these days, the internet has a lot to do with that I would assume, but that’s beside the point. Now, sxb, be direct with me and stop trying to twist things around...I mean one minute your saying, “the clan war is sub clan affair” and the other minute your saying “Daarod attacked Isaq” marka ninyahow halkee lugu racaa waa yaabe?

Once again your wrong on your assumptions sxb, and no it was not the whole Daarood that untied to attack the Isaaq since they never needed to, the Kombo’s I would assume are enough to take care of them and even they never needed to united against Isaaq let along Habar Yonis. The Kablalax, however, did unite for a little while against their common enemy and no is wasn’t the Isaaq, rather it was the British and Co. becoming a force to be reckon with, but Sayid Mohamed eventually managed to f*cket up for them and that was that.

[sadeboi]

Galol I fail to see how government forces taking on and defeating rebels can be described as a clan war. If it was a clan war and those men represented a certain qabil, why then would they call their [treasonous] organization the "Somali" National Movement, what does that tell about them? Couldn't your words alone give clear reasons as to why the Somali government put them down; they were against the brotherhood of the Somali people and were advocating for division between the people. I know its off subject, but I'm just amused when certain people say the government attacked innocent people, and out of nowhere attacked those men [the SNM].

[sadeboi]

Intruder nin weyn baad tahay, why do you always make such reference to qaniisnimo iyo wasin iyo wax lo bahneyn; is that your way of covering up the lack of knowledge [pertaining to Somali history] that you have?

[Bagamundo]

sadeboi,

The government shouldn't have used air bombarment to get their point across same way the snm shouldn't use the city residents as human sheild to wage guerile warfare against the government.

Both camps were irresposible and didn't care much about the civilian causilties as long as they acheaved their ultimate goal of inflicting damage on the other. But i believe,the government should get the large blame since they were to rep the people of that region.

[sadeboi]

Walaal, I do understand that bombing may not have been the best choice. However, it was not as if the first thing the government did was bomb Hargiesa, nor were their targets the civilians. It was unfortunate that the SNM soldiers were hiding in the homes of the people, their relatives especially, nonetheless the SNM had to be stopped. We cannot ignore the fact that before the SNM their were the SSDF another treasonous organization who stood for qabilnimo over qaranimo, and officials of the government probably felt like in order to prevent future organizations dire actions must be taken, now was the bombing the best and last resort? No! However, it is not the government the just decided to kill the people, it is the SNM that went to Ethiopia, got weapons, hid inside the homes and buildings of Hargiesa and started to fire, the government had to defend the land, they had to uphold the constitution; fight for your country and defend the people.


If the SNM fought in the mountains and terrains this conversation would not have come up.

[Padishah]

What a load of self-serving, self-justifying crock!

I'm sure those government was defending the constitution when they orchastrated a coup, started unconstitutional organisations such as the NSS, held one-sided elections, and other things Dictatorships are won't to do. But this is alright, according to Sadeboi, because those in government were defending the constitution they defecated upon in order to come into power, and then continued defecating on to remain in power.

And bombing civilians in their houses and cities, even when the rebels are among them, only gives those civilians 1001 reasons to join, support and give comfort to the rebel organisation your trying to crush! And then there was the fact that you had to contract racist Afrikaner pilots in order to carry out this 'police action' in order to ;uphold the constitution' and 'protect the people'.

Why not tell us that it was a Dictatorship bent on holding on to power at any cost, prompted into this action by misguided rebels (or freedom fighters, whatever) using their own as a sheild against retribution. That way, it bears some semblance of truth.

[Bagamundo]

That last line is very true, padisha.

Siyaad and his cronies felt already powerless, hence their use of the un expected.

I'm sure he would've had done the same to mogadishu residents if he had the means.

[sadeboi]

Padish, the coup was the best thing that happened to Somalia. I know its hard to grasp such info because you hail from the mahbars who wanted Somalis to always be divided. The years before Siyaad Bare, nepotism and corruption were of the norm, one was asked, “whom he knows” before “what he knows;” remember the song “dhacdey, kuftey aya taqaan?” The song was made after the fall of the 60’s government, who did not even achieve one noteworthy thing during their reign; the people were poor, uneducated, and could not be part of the vastly developing world around them. Those governments denied the people the right of happiness, to be educated, to be equal, and did not give them a chance to better their new country; everything they fought for was ruined by them. It is why the people rejoiced when they heard on the radio the bloodless coup; their ears tuned to the radio, overjoyed with happiness as thet heard, “Sinnaan, cadlaad, midnimo, iyo hormar; ” those words were the foundation of the great government. Somalis were united, our language was written, our economy grew, our literacy rate skyrocketed, intellectual Somalis replaced foreign workers, education was free, banks and business were nationalized, our infrastructure greatly developed, highways and such were build, we reach the point that we were ready to fight for the liberation of our fellow Somali brothers in Killanka Shanaad; all Somalis were united. It is after our defeat, thanks to USSR and Cuba, that your ilk, lead by the so-called president, started the SSDF [mahbars]; they went back to Ethiopia in 1978, received weapons and attacked their own country and people with the aid of Ethiopian arsenal and manpower; qabilnimo over qaranimo. The Somali government with the backing of its people fended off these treasonous, many were caught, trailed, and executed for crimes against the state. That was 1978, in 1988 another treasonous group emerged in northern Somalia, unlike the SSDF, they hid in the towns and cities of the Somali people, the government had to make a dire decision, just like it did in 1969, they believed the protection of the Somali people and the country was in jeopardy, they took some tough actions. I do not believe that all the decisions they made were the best necessarily, however the rebels had to be put down; the government was trying to prevent the civil war and the killing, raping, hunger, starvation, destruction, poverty, lawlessness that Somali people face today. I am sorry if the “Majeertaan dream” was destroyed so we can have a unified nation and for the brotherhood of the Somali people, but I will not ever utter that the 1969 coup and the overthrow of the corrupt government was a mistake.

Salaams.

[DawladSade]

How could Majeerteen talk about Siyaad bombing anyone when their dying godfather Afbiijo bombed 4 regions and dozen cities including our capital by way of Xabashi airplanes?

Bombings that especially affected Beledweyne, Mogadishu, Afmadow, Dhobley, and etc

How could these ppl talk about Siyaad