Prediction from 92 that actually came true ... Listen carefu

[kadarre]

I was in Xamar when it took place but had to flee too.

But lets admit Siyaad Barre was facing a disatisfied population and he thought he could crush it. SNM and USC were 100 % somali. So the answer lies why were these people fighting against Aabe Siyad. Common sense tells me that he doing something wrong.

Sadeboi Tigrays outsmarted very other rebel movement thats why.

[sadeboi]

First and foremost, the SNM received weapons and logistics from Ethiopia, and the Ethiopians actually took part in some of their war.


Now, it is true, we have use logic, so instead of just coming to conclusions that aren't based on any facts, ask yourself the same question you asked me. WHY AND WHAT WERE THEY FIGHTING FOR?


Please, give me one good reason why they [the USC, SNM] were fighting?


***watch kids come in here and just talk like KIDS***

[Warsame101]

[quote="kadarre"]I was in Xamar when it took place but had to flee too.

But lets admit Siyaad Barre was facing a disatisfied population and he thought he could crush it. SNM and USC were 100 % somali. So the answer lies why were these people fighting against Aabe Siyad. Common sense tells me that he doing something wrong.

Sadeboi Tigrays outsmarted very other rebel movement thats why.[/quote]

Kadarre, you are an idiot. I just dedicated 3 posts explaining the purpose behind USC and others and all you could conjure is some lame excuse of "fighting against the people"? What people, the murderous Mooryaans targetting the fleeing non-combatants? The population wasn't dissatisfied because the population wasn't against M S Barre. What you're trying to do is paint the genocidal events in 1991 as an "uprising" initated by the people. This simply is an erroneous image that never happend nor accepted and only a fool would ever dare to make such claim.

[sadeboi]

[quote]Kadarre, you are an idiot.[/quote]


Your becoming more mean lately; I am glad your finally understand how to deal with the people on this site.

[Gedo_Boy]

[quote="kadarre"]
But lets admit Siyaad Barre was facing a disatisfied population and he thought he could crush it. SNM and USC were 100 % somali. So the answer lies why were these people fighting against Aabe Siyad. Common sense tells me that he doing something wrong.
.[/quote]


ofcourse it was 100% Somali......otherwise it wouldn't be a civil war it would be a foreign invasion.

ofcourse there were problems that led to a decrease in popularity........1 country can't be run by just 1 person, there are a lot of other elements.........

My father knew Mxmd Siad Barre personally and knew what he was like.........he didn't really favor Marexaan out of clan necesarily, in fact he jailed some Marexaan military guys he didnt' like too......I know in the Waqooyi case, M Siad Barre was advised by the then Finance Minister to exercise greater control on the port revenues etc. and that turned out to be a big mistake b/c the Isaaqs were more entrepreneurs and they didn't like that understandably.........that and the khat and the consequences of more hardship after the Ogaden war.

I don't know too much about the USC case. But I know Aideed wanted the Presidency ever since the coup happened.......

[sadeboi]

Maxamed Siyaad Bare jailed his son, Xaji Massale, and many other Marexaans. He did anything he could to anyone who was against the peace and stability of the country.

[Gedo_Boy]

^^^ sadeboi did that happen when he told his dad to leave the SSDF alone?

[kadarre]

[quote="Warsame101"][quote="kadarre"]I was in Xamar when it took place but had to flee too.

But lets admit Siyaad Barre was facing a disatisfied population and he thought he could crush it. SNM and USC were 100 % somali. So the answer lies why were these people fighting against Aabe Siyad. Common sense tells me that he doing something wrong.

Sadeboi Tigrays outsmarted very other rebel movement thats why.[/quote]

Kadarre, you are an idiot. I just dedicated 3 posts explaining the purpose behind USC and others and all you could conjure is some lame excuse of "fighting against the people"? What people, the murderous Mooryaans targetting the fleeing non-combatants? The population wasn't dissatisfied because the population wasn't against M S Barre. What you're trying to do is paint the genocidal events in 1991 as an "uprising" initated by the people. This simply is an erroneous image that never happend nor accepted and only a fool would ever dare to make such claim.[/quote]

Dude you keep going back USC killed innocent people. Am i denying that? Am i trying to justify that?

Dude how can you say the population wasn't against Barre is beyound my imagination. So when USC toppled him did they complain? You think that Marexaan and Abgaal had equal oppurtunities back in Siad Barre era. What was Booli Qaran huh?

The USC and SNM wanted power thats what they were fighting for. Simple. So the problem was every jabhad alligned themselves with their qabiil. The dissatfied qabiils were ready to support USC and SNM. You can't say they liked Siad better. You know when Siad Barre red berets started killing people indiscriminately in the Stadium.

[Warsame101]

[quote="kadarre"]
Dude you keep going back USC killed innocent people. Am i denying that? Am i trying to justify that?

Dude how can you say the population wasn't against Barre is beyound my imagination. So when USC toppled him did they complain? You think that Marexaan and Abgaal had equal oppurtunities back in Siad Barre era. What was Booli Qaran huh?

The USC and SNM wanted power thats what they were fighting for. Simple. So the problem was every jabhad alligned themselves with their qabiil. The dissatfied qabiils were ready to support USC and SNM. You can't say they liked Siad better. You know when Siad Barre red berets started killing people indiscriminately in the Stadium.[/quote]

Kadarre, if you are going to discuss past events with me, at least do your research instead of presenting some half-baked allegations that your parents fed you.

People didn't had time to complain because Caydiid didn't waste time. He started targetting the fleeing non-combatants as if it was a personal fox-hunt. And what the hell is this Booli Qaran that you seem to be repeating. M S Barre never depleted the economic resources, instead he spent it on Somalia's economy which bloomed in the 70's and 80's in to a modern nation.

The Booli Qaran was an idiotic pretension used by his enemies (i.e. Caydiid et la) to deceive the masses. I am Mareexaan and more specifically, I am from his sub-sub-sub-sub.... clan. What did Siad Barre's government do for me and my parents? Nothing, apart from giving us the same privileges as the other citizens. We had to work for it like the rest of the others, unlike Mooryaans who grabbed and inhabited Daarood-owned houses like it was their God-given right.

And what about the Stadium? What massacre? The three people who died when the SNA soldiers fired in to the air? Are you trying to justify the massacre half a million Somalis over the tragic deaths of three Somalis.

So far, you have not presented a reasonable explanation behind '91 events but instead tried to throw some spoon-fed allegations and assertions at me as if it were they verifiable facts.

F

[*jr]

Of course we have had Siyad Barre of twenty years...but we have had 17 years of chaos, afterwards. But, prior, we have had 20 yrs of our education system respected, our health given without question...our standard of living well done...and our standard of Somali given balance at the UN, and throughout the world.

[kadarre]

[quote="Warsame101"]
And what about the Stadium? What massacre? The three people who died when the SNA soldiers fired in to the air? Are you trying to justify the massacre half a million Somalis over the tragic deaths of three Somalis.

So far, you have not presented a reasonable explanation behind '91 events but instead tried to throw some spoon-fed allegations and assertions at me as if it were they verifiable facts.[/quote]

It is evident you keep sticking on one thing. ''Hawiye massacred Darood'' bla bla.

I am not trying to justify any massacre .STOP PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH.

You keep stating about Ceydiid Mooryaans started looting and the things that happened during Siad Barre were all good things. OK.

It is you who is spoonfed and tries to justify a Dictator that killed or jailed anybody who he thought was a threat. Disgusting.

Keep telling yourself that SNA forces kept shooting in the air and accidentally killed civilians.

You shouldn't look at what happened after 91 but look at the events that happened before 91. Then you will see how the ''prison guard'' created the somalia we are living on today.

[Gedo_Boy]

^^^ and Somalis can't prove him wrong.

If Somalia turned out for the better after his ouster, you would have cited that as proof that he was a bad leader. And I would have had no choice to believe that was the case.

But Somalia descended into chaos after him and the ppl who were fighting him took Somalia to HELL and all you can say is he created the current circumstances.

It's a catch 22 for you because there are no circumstances that would satisfy you.

But history is vindicating him so who cares what kadarre believes?

[Warsame101]

Okay, kadarre, for arguments sake, I am going to allow your rants. Please do tell me what happend prior to 1991. And whilst you are at it, do tell me who was in charge during the period 1986-1989? Was it the weak M S Barre who was simply recovering from a coma and couldn't dedicate more than a hour to his minor presidental duties or was it acting president of that time, Maxamed Cali Samatar.

If you are going to present assertions, at least have the decenty to supply them some base instead of your rants and nac nac of how M S Barre was a "bad president".

No one is putting words in to your mouth, instead I am using your words and expose its comical ridiculousness. You have changed points so many times that I am loosing track.

[kadarre]

GB lol

I get your drift but we can keep on talking like this for the rest of our lives.

[kadarre]

Are you implying Siad Barre while was not fit for 3 years?? If thats the case the guy is really...... Amazing.