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Thank you gemini for not saying anything back , was trying to push your buttons

grandpakhalif wrote:What is wrong with you people? You easily throw away hundreds of years of tradition because of one flimsy paper? You're going to ruin it for next generation and their identity. Throwing away the familial love of clan affiliation(which the Prophet emphasized as he called all his reer abtis Bani Zuhrah and Bani Adi bin Najjar the upmost respect & unconditional love) All because some Scientist says you're so & so?

We're putting oral history up against science..what is there to preserve? If the oral history is correct, science should back it up but if it's false it makes no sense to continue telling your children and grandchildren about something that isn't true. Bedtime stories and fairy tales are meant for kids, not grown ass adults. Honestly, you seem afriad.

SahanGalbeed wrote:Thank you gemini for not saying anything back , was trying to push your buttons

Waan uu jeeday
Since you have a postive view of RB i'm not going to ruin it.

Again.....no mentioning of "Oral" word yaaqqq! How about use the word---- Mouth to mouth history?

Serena wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:What is wrong with you people? You easily throw away hundreds of years of tradition because of one flimsy paper? You're going to ruin it for next generation and their identity. Throwing away the familial love of clan affiliation(which the Prophet emphasized as he called all his reer abtis Bani Zuhrah and Bani Adi bin Najjar the upmost respect & unconditional love) All because some Scientist says you're so & so?

We're putting oral history up against science..what is there to preserve? If the oral history is correct, science should back it up but if it's false it makes no sense to continue telling your children and grandchildren about something that isn't true. Bedtime stories and fairy tales are meant for kids, not grown ass adults. Honestly, you seem afriad.

they are not fairy tales I will meet Shaykh Darood in jannah inshallah

grandpakhalif wrote:

Serena wrote:

grandpakhalif wrote:What is wrong with you people? You easily throw away hundreds of years of tradition because of one flimsy paper? You're going to ruin it for next generation and their identity. Throwing away the familial love of clan affiliation(which the Prophet emphasized as he called all his reer abtis Bani Zuhrah and Bani Adi bin Najjar the upmost respect & unconditional love) All because some Scientist says you're so & so?

We're putting oral history up against science..what is there to preserve? If the oral history is correct, science should back it up but if it's false it makes no sense to continue telling your children and grandchildren about something that isn't true. Bedtime stories and fairy tales are meant for kids, not grown ass adults. Honestly, you seem afriad.

they are not fairy tales I will meet Shaykh Darood in jannah inshallah

and this guy supports Shabab

Just remember guys that while these are scientific facts, they are devoid of context.

For instance even though most Arabs are J1, according to tradition the Banu Hashim were descended from Ibrahiim and are therefore from the same branch as Jews and Iraqis, so technically speaking a true Banu Hashim should actually be J2.

If we reject that and say no, that's just a story, the Qaydhar=Qedar connection is just a coincidence and Banu Hashim are true Arabs, then we open up oral history to scrutiny. Perhaps Darood was not Banu Hashim, and this connection was made much later due to the similar name with the Aqeeli saint buried in Zabid? Maybe Darood's true lineage is lost, and we will never know who he was, perhaps he was a Levantine Arab?

These sorts of tests answer some questions, but often just create more questions.

James Dahl u cannot refute scientific analysis by using archaic bin hashim "oral" history to determine dna lineanage! Keep in mind--the human DNA mutates and mixed as humans move or migrate to other lands. Jb1 And Jb2 doesnt make any sense at all. The question is--lets test every living creature, compare dna from creatures who died, come up with a database and boom we will have a profile.


But it futile as genes and dna loose its original value as human evolves. (breed offpsirngs) My meter of measurements are usually by the philosophy of original race. White and Adoon. Black and White. Asian dont count as they are mixture of the two originals. White and Adoons.

Basra- wrote: James Dahl u cannot refute scientific analysis by using archaic bin hashim "oral" history to determine dna lineanage! Keep in mind--the human DNA mutates and mixed as humans move or migrate to other lands. Jb1 And Jb2 doesnt make any sense at all. The question is--lets test every living creature, compare dna from creatures who died, come up with a database and boom we will have a profile.


But it futile as genes and dna loose its original value as human evolves. (breed offpsirngs) My meter of measurements are usually by the philosophy of original race. White and Adoon. Black and White. Asian dont count as they are mixture of the two originals. White and Adoons.

While this is true for most of your genes, this is a test of your Y chromosome. Let's say my son married a Somali woman, and his son married a Chinese woman, and his son married a West African woman, his son would have the same Y chromosome as I do, because it isn't recombined every generation, it is just passed from father to son. The only changes to it are mutations, which are basically copying mistakes that sometimes happen. These copying mistakes are then passed from father to son, making a Y chromosome lineage unique and distinct.

AbdiWahab252 wrote:Murax,

Take the test, we can form our own new qabiils:

1. Beesha Babylon (J2)

2. Beesha Hadramut (J1)

2. Beesha Somaliweyn (E1B1)

etc.

You then have to swear allegiance to your new qabiil and disavow ties to the "Jahiiliya" qabiils that ruined our nation.

There will have to be a New TFG and a New "4.5"

dawwa9 wrote:

paidmonk wrote:If there is any truth to this Somalis are one fucked up people. If a Reer Bicidyahan from the Hawd is a descendant of Iraqis, the exterior clans are gonna have some wild fucked up results. There was some report a while back on a Somali guy whose female great ancestor was an Armenian slave girl or some shit. Man this must mean that Ogaden are Amhara, Isaaq are Afar, Abgaal are Zulu, Marexaan are Japanese and all hell is gonna break loose with the coastal Majerteen, probably Scandinavian viking children or some shit.

Most of you guys just belong to the 81,1% of E1b1b1a hunter-gatherers

Biiciid-yahan= hunters

24 pages in 48 hrs? Impressive...

dawaa how come ur name on the results is in capital letters? Why?

look here they're not capital:

http://www.pearsall-family.org/Pearsall ... age005.jpg

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... ficate.jpg


or does it change for people where u live?

dam this thread is still on going? I guess the karbash is worst than I thought.

IF Arabs and Jews are proved to have no common ancestry what will be the impact on Islam???