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[quote="Grant"]It does get funny when you say it that way, PG.

I doubt most Christians think of a physical body, but the image is definitely human and male.

If you are a Stargate fan you could think of the Ascended.[/quote]

the whole ascension thing is from Budhism, like attaining nirvana.

Gamadiid you are judging Rumi by the actions of his followers.

Rumi never did any whirling, or any other wierd rituals.
he was a normal sunni and a qadi, just like his father and grandfather.

rumi is not of the naqshibandis.


its facinating however , that he was held to high esteem by the christians, jews, and muslims of all sects.

Gurey, Are you sure? Jalaludin Rumi is the one I was talking about, the founder of the Dervishes. May be we are referring to different Rumis. Later.

the mawlawi order was founded after his death, the traditional whirling and other rituals came after his death.

[quote="Gamadid."]



Basra

Yea, you figured me out really well, oh I am exposed and bound to hell, what am I supposed to do now? [/quote]


LOOOOL i didn't say that Gama-- hey if i am sure u dreaded me to say that therefore proceeded to say before i did it.As Surria eloquently put it-- Only Allah knows your Muslimniimo.I can't really say you are a munafiq because essentially though i have sized you good it doesn't mean i know you well. But lets change the subject and talk about pleasant stuff-- what book have u read lately?

Gurey,

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01767a.htm

"Ascension
See also The Feast of the Ascension.

The elevation of Christ into heaven by His own power in presence of His disciples the fortieth day after His Resurrection. It is narrated in Mark 16:19, Luke 24:51, and in the first chapter of the Acts of the Apostles.

Although the place of the Ascension is not distinctly stated, it would appear from the Acts that it was Mount Olivet. Since after the Ascension the disciples are described as returning to Jerusalem from the mount that is called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, within a Sabbath day's journey. Tradition has consecrated this site as the Mount of Ascension and Christian piety has memorialized the event by erecting over the site a basilica. St. Helena built the first memorial, which was destroyed by the Persians in 614, rebuilt in the eighth century, to be destroyed again, but rebuilt a second time by the crusaders. This the Moslems also destroyed, leaving only the octagonal structure which encloses the stone said to bear the imprint of the feet of Christ, that is now used as an oratory.

Not only is the fact of the Ascension related in the passages of Scripture cited above, but it is also elsewhere predicted and spoken of as an established fact. Thus, in John 6:63, Christ asks the Jews: "If then you shall see the son of Man ascend up where He was before?" and 20:17, He says to Mary Magdalen: "Do not touch Me, for I am not yet ascended to My Father, but go to My brethren, and say to them: I ascend to My Father and to your Father, to My God and to your God." Again, in Ephesians 4:8-10, and in Timothy 3:16, the Ascension of Christ is spoken of as an accepted fact. "

i am familiar with christian doctrine, grant.