London: Another Somali youth stabbed to death

[#1baller]

[quote="neocon_2007"]



"Kid, I know for a fact D4L didnt receive a "royalty checks" for the "laffy Taffy" song."

You obviously have no concept of legal aspects of entertainment law, copyrights, trademarks etc?. I'll say it again. There is a reason why people sign contracts and why there's compensation involved in illegal use of a person's name or product. Take a law course or study patents, trademarks, copyrights and intellectual property laws and you will understand what my point.


"Who are u kidding, these artists straight from Compton wouldnt know the difference from a labels "advance" to banking off by coincedently mentioning Air force 1s 350 times in a track. Your saying all these hip-hop artists just happen to take a crash course in mrketing 101 thats why majority of them get pimped and left high and dry after there contract runs out. "


yea neocon every rapper is from compton and didn't finish school. They don't have lawyers. They draw up and sign their own contracts themselves.


"Maybach, Ferrari, Lambos and mid-level Cadis, Mercedes, BMW probably wouldnt want to align themselves with "Hip-hop" on a mainstream level, besides the little campaigns they run with larger established artists, 50, Snoop, Diddy even then u got TI endorsing Ford.

That's why people like Swizz Beats, Jay Z, Damon Dash, and other moguls in tha Hip Hop industry drive these cars.

I just finished reading Daimler-Chrysler, Mercedes benz, BMW, and Cadillac's public statements denouncing the use of these and other rappers buying their cars


"Simple recording artists that are not HEAVY WEIGHTS rarely ever receive major endorsement deals. Edorsements deals are not a primary focus with new artists and there labels especially hip-hop. Mainstream hip-hop glorifies luxury goods nothing bad about being a slave to items u never had and being able to afford them or make it seem that way."

This discussion is out of your league son. Countless baseless claims without nothing to back it up renders your argument pointless.


"Proof is not needed its evident if ur giving the powerless hip-hop artists more power then what they have then its u whose being fooled."

Here, this should help your lil confused brain understand just how black businesses have become and continue to become economic strongholds in America. You'll notice that American giant Cadillac is one of tha sponsors.

http://www.blackenterprise.com/mediacenter/bebr.asp

[neocon_2007]

[quote="#1baller"][quote="neocon_2007"]



"Kid, I know for a fact D4L didnt receive a "royalty checks" for the "laffy Taffy" song."

You obviously have no concept of legal aspects of entertainment law, copyrights, trademarks etc?. I'll say it again. There is a reason why people sign contracts and why there's compensation involved in illegal use of a person's name or product. Take a law course or study patents, trademarks, copyrights and intellectual property laws and you will understand what my point.


"Who are u kidding, these artists straight from Compton wouldnt know the difference from a labels "advance" to banking off by coincedently mentioning Air force 1s 350 times in a track. Your saying all these hip-hop artists just happen to take a crash course in mrketing 101 thats why majority of them get pimped and left high and dry after there contract runs out. "


yea neocon every rapper is from compton and didn't finish school. They don't have lawyers. They draw up and sign their own contracts themselves.


"Maybach, Ferrari, Lambos and mid-level Cadis, Mercedes, BMW probably wouldnt want to align themselves with "Hip-hop" on a mainstream level, besides the little campaigns they run with larger established artists, 50, Snoop, Diddy even then u got TI endorsing Ford.

That's why people like Swizz Beats, Jay Z, Damon Dash, and other moguls in tha Hip Hop industry drive these cars.

I just finished reading Daimler-Chrysler, Mercedes benz, BMW, and Cadillac's public statements denouncing the use of these and other rappers buying their cars


"Simple recording artists that are not HEAVY WEIGHTS rarely ever receive major endorsement deals. Edorsements deals are not a primary focus with new artists and there labels especially hip-hop. Mainstream hip-hop glorifies luxury goods nothing bad about being a slave to items u never had and being able to afford them or make it seem that way."

This discussion is out of your league son. Countless baseless claims without nothing to back it up renders your argument pointless.


"Proof is not needed its evident if ur giving the powerless hip-hop artists more power then what they have then its u whose being fooled."

Here, this should help your lil confused brain understand just how black businesses have become and continue to become economic strongholds in America. You'll notice that American giant Cadillac is one of tha sponsors.

http://www.blackenterprise.com/mediacenter/bebr.asp[/quote]


The d4l comment was purely a sad joke and to make reference to how artists take common items and shout them out in there tracks without any compensation.

Im 100% sure CORPORATIONS have yet to send a cease and desist to a artist that has there product mentioned a million times in there track that made #1 on the billboards. Is that even possible

Baseless what, the entertainment industry is structured a certain way, artists being at the bottom. Prior to royalty checks, once a artist completes a album everyone gets paid, engineers,producers composer,songwritters prior to the artist seeing one dime. I dont see how they even leverage such power that you make it out to seem, endorsements ect. These are facts, common knowledge for anyone whose been in the entertainment industry

Confused brains, black business cadis the sponsor, SO!

Why argue about facts especially one that knows all

[#1baller]

[quote="neocon_2007"]


"The d4l comment was purely a sad joke and to make reference to how artists take common items and shout them out in there tracks without any compensation."

okay I'll take your word for it.


"Im 100% sure CORPORATIONS have yet to send a cease and desist to a artist that has there product mentioned a million times in there track that made #1 on the billboards. Is that even possible "

why not? They stand to get a financial reward for breach of trademark and copyright laws, so why wouldn't they? You make no sense mayne.


"Baseless what, the entertainment industry is structured a certain way, artists being at the bottom. Prior to royalty checks, once a artist completes a album everyone gets paid, engineers,producers composer,songwritters prior to the artist seeing one dime. I dont see how they even leverage such power that you make it out to seem, endorsements ect. These are facts, common knowledge for anyone whose been in the entertainment industry."

That emphatically proves my point that you don't know what you're talking about. What happens, when the artiste go on US tours, public appearances on talk shows, record promotion, overseas tours and billboard profits. Is that also paid in advance too.?

How bout advertising contracts with major corporations? Mayne ur killing me.


"Why argue about facts especially one that knows all."[/quote]

Ummmmnnn....you've already proven how ur limited ur knowledge is in this area. This is out of your depth. Stick to somali issues...ya stand a much better chance.

[neocon_2007]

[quote="#1baller"][quote="neocon_2007"]


"The d4l comment was purely a sad joke and to make reference to how artists take common items and shout them out in there tracks without any compensation."

okay I'll take your word for it.


"Im 100% sure CORPORATIONS have yet to send a cease and desist to a artist that has there product mentioned a million times in there track that made #1 on the billboards. Is that even possible "

why not? They stand to get a financial reward for breach of trademark and copyright laws, so why wouldn't they? You make no sense mayne.


"Baseless what, the entertainment industry is structured a certain way, artists being at the bottom. Prior to royalty checks, once a artist completes a album everyone gets paid, engineers,producers composer,songwritters prior to the artist seeing one dime. I dont see how they even leverage such power that you make it out to seem, endorsements ect. These are facts, common knowledge for anyone whose been in the entertainment industry."

That emphatically proves my point that you don't know what you're talking about. What happens, when the artiste go on US tours, public appearances on talk shows, record promotion, overseas tours and billboard profits. Is that also paid in advance too.?

How bout advertising contracts with major corporations? Mayne ur killing me.


"Why argue about facts especially one that knows all."[/quote]

Ummmmnnn....you've already proven how ur limited ur knowledge is in this area. This is out of your depth. Stick to somali issues...ya stand a much better chance. [/quote]


Buddy, just proves my point U CANT SEND A CEASE AND DESIST How does Trademarks (of corps) and copyright come into play when there not infringing neither. Its up to corps to act on artists that may seem threatening to there image, example Cristal issuing a statement where they made it clear that they just want nothing to do with the "black" segment

Again, ADVANCES, payment issued to artists in advance are sometimes used in the process of developing an album but the cost of tours, appearances (marketing budget) are recouped after, thats the job of there accountants. If they break even then there even if theres a profit Im sure there contract will be extended, if theres notmoney in the bank they get dropped (maybe)

Contracts outside of the actual "Recording contract" is not apart of the "record deal" so why even mention advertising.

Ur going overboard with this, simple majority of the major hip-hop artists do not get "royalty checks" from a bacardi mention on a track. Simple theres no ifs or buts.

[neocon_2007]

Note: the actual recording contract states parameters and conditions that artists must follow. The legal aspect of it safegaurds the major label, artists do not have much power. Labels can also drop artists or prolong releases if they see fit to. Artists are powerless

[#1baller]

[quote="neocon_2007"]


"Buddy, just proves my point U CANT SEND A CEASE AND DESIST How does Trademarks (of corps) and copyright come into play when there not infringing neither. Its up to corps to act on artists that may seem threatening to there image, example Cristal issuing a statement where they made it clear that they just want nothing to do with the "black" segment "


Bruh,

None of tha major corporations have ever sent a cease and desist to any rapper and/or record label, so how does that prove ur point?

You claim that none of these major corporations havent and don't want any association with tha hip hop industry yet the makers of bakardi, Greygoose, and Hennessy haven't called any press conferences denounceing their association with the industry and that artist or record label. Does that make any sense to you?

And where did Cristal make those comments? post tha link for me.


"Again, ADVANCES, payment issued to artists in advance are sometimes used in the process of developing an album but the cost of tours, appearances (marketing budget) are recouped after, thats the job of there accountants."

That's called a signing bonus incentive and not the actual cost of the contract. The contracts are separate but the bonus is an added incentive especially if the artistes management have received offers from other major labels.

There are lots of conditions involved in signing recording contracts. they're very complicated and not a cakewalk as you'd like others here think. My friend is an entertainment lawyer in Los Angeles and knows the ins and outs of the recording industry from a legal standpoint which is why I know what I'm talking bout. Accountants are not hired to look for pitfalls or for recouping lost revenues. there job is ore complex than that.


"Contracts outside of the actual "Recording contract" is not apart of the "record deal" so why even mention advertising."

Its sometimes linked with actual contracts. Some record companies sometimes maintain a clause in their original deals pertaining to something known as imaging/marketing rights. its not uncommon especially in this day and age.


"Ur going overboard with this, simple majority of the major hip-hop artists do not get "royalty checks" from a bacardi mention on a track. Simple theres no ifs or buts."

The term royalties refers to someone using your name for the purpose of gaining a financial benefit...not the other way around. For example, when Shaq signs an advertising deal with reebok or pepsi or who ever to do ads. they pay him to market their product to a certain demographic. They get profits from their product selling to that particular demographic or that untapped market. Get my point. They're trynna outsell their closest competitors or take that competitor's market share. It s a business cycle do you understand now.

[#1baller]

[quote="neocon_2007"]

Note: the actual recording contract states parameters and conditions that artists must follow. The legal aspect of it safegaurds the major label, artists do not have much power. Labels can also drop artists or prolong releases if they see fit to. Artists are powerless.[/quote]


Not always tha case. Some artists are signed to entertainment companies who are bigger and negotiate better contract terms and conditions with major corporations. It stems from appearance fees, to distribution and marketing, sales and artist growth and development.

[Megatron]

[quote="Alluring"]Baller

Islam was not spread by slavery, but by ways and traveling. No Arab or any other man would be able to hold a Somali down. It is a known fact.

So using a religion followed by 1.5 billion people as an example. should not be instrumental in your little so called discussions.

But riddle me this, how can an Indian (from Asia) mix with a slaved Jamaican and wetback Latino?[/quote]

OUCH!!!! B'itch slapped yet AGAIN, by My most alluring Alluring.

[neocon_2007]

[quote="#1baller"][quote="neocon_2007"]


"Buddy, just proves my point U CANT SEND A CEASE AND DESIST How does Trademarks (of corps) and copyright come into play when there not infringing neither. Its up to corps to act on artists that may seem threatening to there image, example Cristal issuing a statement where they made it clear that they just want nothing to do with the "black" segment "


Bruh,

None of tha major corporations have ever sent a cease and desist to any rapper and/or record label, so how does that prove ur point?

You claim that none of these major corporations havent and don't want any association with tha hip hop industry yet the makers of bakardi, Greygoose, and Hennessy haven't called any press conferences denounceing their association with the industry and that artist or record label. Does that make any sense to you?

And where did Cristal make those comments? post tha link for me.


"Again, ADVANCES, payment issued to artists in advance are sometimes used in the process of developing an album but the cost of tours, appearances (marketing budget) are recouped after, thats the job of there accountants."

That's called a signing bonus incentive and not the actual cost of the contract. The contracts are separate but the bonus is an added incentive especially if the artistes management have received offers from other major labels.

There are lots of conditions involved in signing recording contracts. they're very complicated and not a cakewalk as you'd like others here think. My friend is an entertainment lawyer in Los Angeles and knows the ins and outs of the recording industry from a legal standpoint which is why I know what I'm talking bout. Accountants are not hired to look for pitfalls or for recouping lost revenues. there job is ore complex than that.


"Contracts outside of the actual "Recording contract" is not apart of the "record deal" so why even mention advertising."

Its sometimes linked with actual contracts. Some record companies sometimes maintain a clause in their original deals pertaining to something known as imaging/marketing rights. its not uncommon especially in this day and age.


"Ur going overboard with this, simple majority of the major hip-hop artists do not get "royalty checks" from a bacardi mention on a track. Simple theres no ifs or buts."

The term royalties refers to someone using your name for the purpose of gaining a financial benefit...not the other way around. For example, when Shaq signs an advertising deal with reebok or pepsi or who ever to do ads. they pay him to market their product to a certain demographic. They get profits from their product selling to that particular demographic or that untapped market. Get my point. They're trynna outsell their closest competitors or take that competitor's market share. It s a business cycle do you understand now. [/quote]


Link

Cristal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5056744.stm

Damn I should write a piece for BBC



I cant crash the legalities of a contract as different labels have different contracts. Some tailored and unique depending on what the artist can get out of it, negotiated with there lawyeres or reps. Also I know of an entertainment lawyer here, who also deals with major clients in NY. And I know the industry in itself and accountants are definetly on the pay-roll when dealing with the labels budget.

This discussion was about "artists" not "athletes", both extremely different, entry level athletes of any major/national league sport gets paid far more then a "new artist" wage wise. Performance also comes into play, athlete endorsement deals exceed any artist out there, there far more lucrative (brands) and financially more compensating. I dont see how that correlates with artists and mentioning goods in there songs. As i stated they do not receive compensation from the mention

[#1baller]

[quote="Megatron"]

"OUCH!!!! B'itch slapped yet AGAIN, by My most alluring Alluring.[/quote]


How did ur date wit tha heavy voice xalimo turn out. Did he wine and dine you?

[Megatron]

Told ya already. Clear up the yeast infection and gonnorrhea, before you bend over in front of me.

[Koronto91]

Ilaaheey Ha U Naxariisto!

There sure is a lot of stabbings going on in London, what's that all about?

[shidow1]

May God bless his sole............

[#1baller]

[quote="neocon_2007"]


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5056744.stm

Damn I should write a piece for BBC

I just read the article, and all it states is that the owners of "Cristal" has mixed feelings about rappers promoting Cristal within hip hop culture.

As a matter of fact, the article also mentions that the rappers and others can afford it and that they can't stop anyone from purchasing their product. Here's what the managing director said:

"Asked by the Economist about whether associations with rap stars could affect the marque, new managing director Frederic Rouzaud said: "That's a good question, but what can we do? We can't forbid people from buying it."

To add to that comment, this was also said as well:

"You can have an exclusivity around your brand but these are people who can afford it and are voting for it. You have to go try and find a way to make it a good thing."

It doesn't say anything in the post about cristal distancing itself from the industry or tha rappers themselves. So what was tha point of posting the article if there was no distinction of the makers distancing themselves from hip hop culture?


"I cant crash the legalities of a contract as different labels have different contracts. Some tailored and unique depending on what the artist can get out of it, negotiated with there lawyeres or reps. Also I know of an entertainment lawyer here, who also deals with major clients in NY. And I know the industry in itself and accountants are definetly on the pay-roll when dealing with the labels budget."

Accountants aren't hired by major corporations to manage artists expenditure. Their job goes beyond that. In fact, to be frank, they're hired to assess and give sound financial expertise on that corporations overall financial structure and future outlook.


"This discussion was about "artists" not "athletes", both extremely different, entry level athletes of any major/national league sport gets paid far more then a "new artist" wage wise. Performance also comes into play, athlete endorsement deals exceed any artist out there, there far more lucrative (brands) and financially more compensating. I dont see how that correlates with artists and mentioning goods in there songs. As i stated they do not receive compensation from the mention."

Bruh,

Beyonce had an advertising deal wit Pepsi about two years ago. If you knew tha dynamics behind her contract with that major conglomerate, you'd swallow what you just said.

Its never wise to speculate or assume the financial aspects of marketing and contract negotiations between two business entities. That's why we have attorneys in place to deal wit that and not ordinary everyday people.

[#1baller]

[quote="Megatron"]

"Told ya already. Clear up the yeast infection and gonnorrhea, before you bend over in front of me."

So you do like men after all?? Why would you talk bouyt men bending over in front of you??

What a fagget. I bet when ya shit it slides out wit ease..... muthafocker