Somaliweyn: Dowladsade has put you on the Spot!

[Voltage]

[quote="Gedo_Boy"][quote="Somaliweyn"]
This Mudulood spirit and unity in the core instead at the surface is what stopped the warmachine of Aideed, while Gedo was crushed under beneath it and occupied for 8 months.[/quote]


Here's Somaliweyn taking another pathetic cheapshot and showing his contempt for Reer Gedo.


Conveniently forget the fact that Caydiid's forces were decimated in Gedo and he was in hiding for months while avoiding capture and in fact it was HIS forces and leaders which were crushed.

During the initial chaos and confusion of the civil war, Caydiid capitalized on internal divisions and entered Gedo without a shot being fired. Your obsession with trying to discredit "Southwestern" legacy is such that you even forget the outcome of the war and the final consequences it had for Caydiid.

- Can Japan brag about crushing US military force in the Pacific for the first part of the war?

- Does Germany still brag about how it pushed the Red Army all the way back to Moscow for the first part of the war?


No, they don't because that is not how things ended. Caydiid lost 75-90% of his fighting force in Gedo and after losing that he lost the initiative and suffered defeat in Kismayo, Galkacyo.....even "Gedo" took part in helping Reer Hiiraan take Beledweyne from Caydiid...........

Gedo was Caydiid's Stalingrad and he regretted that he attacked it even trying to bribe Reer Gedo w/ Prime Minister positions after his eviction........why do you try to politically win over the people you "crushed" w/ Prime Minister positions?

...........So let's not talk about Gedo being crushed under Caydiid b/c it is Gedo that crushed Caydiid............and subsequently they hunted Caydiid all over Mudug, Jubboyinka, Hiiraan and Galgaduud.

P.S - Even though I am avoiding Qabiilist dialogues, there is an area outside of BeledXawo called "Lafa Hawiye" for all the masses of USC fighters that were killed there.[/quote]


And Somaliweyn boasts of reaching "stalemate" with the left-over of Aydiid's forces after their defeat from Gedo to Gaalkacyo. A stalemate in the Mogadishu that was originally Mudulood deegaan and the reason why Mudulood is now the willing donkey on his back this occupation owes gratitude to.

[Gedo_Boy]

Somaliweyn,

Actually, the whole legacy of the civil war was HG expansion into Mogadishu.

You are talking about 8 months, 8 months is nothing. That is time enough to regroup and strategize:

Here's some history for you and you will see that the inter-USC fighting resulted in a stalemate and ceasefire:

Taken from:

http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/somalia/2001/Farole/peace_process_in_somalia.htm


The battle for Mogadishu's control between the two USC sub-factions was the worst war ever fought in Mogadishu. Thousands of innocent civilians lost their lives and a great number of properties were destroyed. The indiscriminate shelling obliterated most of the buildings in the central districts. This conflict between the two rival factions in Mogadishu protracted the agony of the city; it continued for almost four months before elders negotiated a ceasefire, in early 1992. There was no one winner in this the deadly confrontation for control of the capital. The city has remained divided since then.

Aideed then continued his search for power by turning his attention beyond the USC to the southern regions. In mid 1992 he captured the stronghold of Mohamed Siyad Barre in the Gedo region, forcing him into exile, where he died in January 1995. Aideed then captured the port of Kisimayo, the SPM-Darod coalition strong hold, in the south. This was not a lasting victory for Aideed, as the warring factions counter-attacked and the fighting escalated until he was driven out, first from Gedo region and then from Kismayo. Aideed disappeared from the war scene for more than three months; it was believed that he was badly injured, and some assumed that he was dead. It was the worst fighting since the collapse of the government in 1991, and the perpetual attacks and counter-attacks reduced the six regions of southern Somalia considerable bloodshed. These wars created hatred between the clans involved in the war, particularly among the Darod, Hawyia and Digle-Mirifle. The tension still persists in the area in May 2001.

"This was not a lasting victory for Aideed, as the warring factions counter-attacked and the fighting escalated unitl he was driven out, first from Gedo region and then from Kismayo"

"Aideed disappeared from the war scene for more than three months; it was believed he was badly injured, and some assumed he was dead"

"It was the worst fighting since the collapse of the government in 1991, and the perpetual attacks and counter-attacks reduced the six regions of southern Somalia considerable bloodshed"




So the 8 months you speak of means nothing......after the Gedo invasion, Gedo took the initiative and took the fight to Caydiid all over Southern Somalia from Galkacyo, Beledweyne, Kismayo.

You speak of Baardheere as if you know the place but that is where more than 1/2 of my family is from and we are intimately familiar with what happened there.

[Somaliweyn]

''boasts of reaching "stalemate" with the left-over of Aydiid's forces after their defeat from Gedo to Gaalkacyo.''

Do you even know how the events went? Let me break it for you since you was not even born at that time:

-26 Jan 1991, Barre's regime fled from Mogadishu to Southern regions.

-March 1991, Barre's regime tried to retake Mogadishu, but failed.

-March-Nov 1991, internal problems in Mogadishu. Aideed vs Ali Mahdi drama starts and nears its expulsion moment.

-Mid-Nov 1991, Aideed launches full-scale offensive on Mudulood sections of Mogadishu. His group had the most heavy weapons.

-After this destructive war, in which more then 14.000 died. Barre thought now Mogadishu was weakened he could try it again, by now with weapons bought on the world market and from South Africa.

-April 1992, he launches his assault to retake Mogadishu, bolstered by the weakened enemy and the fresh bought weapons.

-Within 2 weeks, Aideeds group chases him all the way to Kenya, utterly crushing Barre's forces and occupying Gedo.

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So as you see, it was actually Mudulood that faced HG at its zenith and Southwestern group only had to face a weakened HG. Despite this Aideeds warmachine crushed Barre's forces and occupied Gedo.


Next time: when men talk do not interfere.

[Somaliweyn]

''Actually, the whole legacy of the civil war was HG expansion into Mogadishu.''

GB,

expansion at the expense of who? Not Mudulood certainly, because Mudulood are for sure not the ones crying over houses been occupied by HG.

Matter of fact, why was Medina not even conquered once during the whole civil war, while the district is surrounded by HG forces. An enclave that was not threatened once. An island within HG, yet it was the district from where Aideed was targeted constantly when he went to Int.Airport or other southern locations

8 months is nothing you say? Well even Xawaadle took not that long to reconquer Beledweyne and Hiiraan. They did it within 2-4 months...and no support from Kenya!

[Gedo_Boy]

I think it would be foolish for anyone to be crying for their homes in Xamar right now. Ever since the 4 months war everything was shelled and destroyed.

It was Reer Gedo themselves who assisted Xawaadle in taking back Hiiraan.

now you are giving Kenya just to refuse it from "Southwesterners", in war there is attack and counter-attack.

As they say: "Ciyaarta waa gelinka dambe" and Caydiid paid dearly for it.

Reer Gedo did not settle for a stalemate and went on the offensive after USC invaded Gedo and pursued Caydiid everywhere and you know that, or maybe you don't but you should ask HG faction of USC.

As for Madina, Cabudwaaq which practically is in Mudug itself was never occupied although Caydiid tried many times to capture it......so what?

[xoogSADE14]

GB iyo Volt

Nin jiran baa la sheekeeysaneeysaan. To him the first man on the moon was Mudulood.

[Voltage]

This is hilarious wallahi. Two things.

1. Is Mudulood the donkey to whom this occupation owes most gratitude to?

and

2. What lands has Caydiid succeeded in entrenching his people in, i.e. victorious outcome?

First question the answer is unequivocally yes as anyone kindergarten can see and the second is only Xamar, a land that has predominately Mudulood countryside but after the civil war Caydiid succeeded in having his group recognized as "reer Xamar".

Go to Paltalk and other place that will allow you to gauge the opinion of these people and you will realize this is the number one reason why Mudulood are the willing donkeys of this occupation and the cause of their hatred towards their Hiraab, HG cousins.

[Gedo_Boy]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]''Actually, the whole legacy of the civil war was HG expansion into Mogadishu.''

GB,
expansion at the expense of who? Not Mudulood certainly, because Mudulood are for sure not the ones crying over houses been occupied by HG.
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Was it not Salaad Jeele who had that "Kartada Caydiid" speech?

Here's what a Southwesterner did:

When C/Y tried to get Hiiraale to lead the operations in Xamar he refused to shell civilians in (what is left of) the capitol and Salad Jeele jumped at the opportunity even invoking the 4 months war to get retaliation.

Hiiraale settled his score w/ Caydiid himself back in the '90s so there was no pent up frustration.

That's another characteristic of Southwesterners, ready to fight and ready to make genuine peace.

[Somaliweyn]

''It was Reer Gedo themselves who assisted Xawaadle in taking back Hiiraan.''

If you mean SNF delivering arms to Xawaadle, then yes...since Mudulood and Leelkase did it too.

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Anyways, we have discussed the civil war thorougly....the point which has been made clear is:

-Mudulood did not lost an inch of territory in Mogadishu throughout the whole civil war, forget "Ciyaarta waa gelinka dambe'', we never allowed it to come that far. HG only took over the sections vacated by the groups (Non-Hawiye mostly) that fled from the city after 1991.

-Gedo was 8 months occupied and later on liberated by SNF, with Kenya military assistance.

''With the assistance of the Kenyan military (in violation of a United Nations Security Council arms embargo), the SNF retook the Gedo region. In October 1992, the SNF captured the town of Bardera''

HMR Watch 1993 http://www.hrw.org/reports/1993/somalia/



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I just wanted to get those historical facts correct, since they have been distorted by kids that were not born at that time.

Lisen to the senior Southwestern guy on this net, as he knows the facts of 1991 and cannot refute them.

[Voltage]

I cannot believe I forget all about the infamous Mudulood meeting that Cali Gheedi, Muuse Suudi, Salaad Cali Jeele, Maxamed Dheere, and even the Imam of Mudulood, Imaam Maxamuud Imaam Cumar attended in which they all spoke with their feelings summed up by Salaad Cali Jeele:

"Habar Gidir are desperate even to the point they have dusted off the late Caydiid's kaarto, watch how they run out of our city one by one"

*Mudulood response*

"ulululluuululuuulu"



Reality is on the ground.

[Gedo_Boy]

No I mean militia support to Hiiraan and taking part in joint operations.

So if the Kenyans made some money selling arms to Gedo inhabitants, so what? There were many Gedo businessman who financed the counter-attack efforts that were based in Kenya.

Did you forget the fact that Caydiid was armed and supplied by Mengistu?

[Somaliweyn]

Simpletons....again those Jelle said, Dheere said stories


The only reason they invoked the 4 months conflict was to unite Mudulood people behind their treacherous cause......since the 4 months is the hallmark of Mudulood unity.

Yet despite their PR, some Mudulood subclans fighted side by side with HG against Ethiopian occupation.


The only arguments which you bring forth are: He-said, She-said...Paltak-said

While I bring forth historical record written by renowned publishers.


GB,

That Myth has been busted, it was a inccorect news report that had no other source backing it. Also, all Xawaadle persons know how it went.

Anyways, lets end the discussion before more Red Berets join the already lost cause of DS and others.

[Luq_Ganane]

^^

Somaliweyn,

You keep mentioning Gedo being captured, and we tell you over and over again that we kow fully well it was. However that being said, it is a WELL KNOWN fact both in historic chronicles that the number 2 man in the entire USC was killed in the counter attacks, and Caydid was mortally wounded and being treated in Xudur in Bay region for 5 months. Also its a well known fact that Caydid was supported in those attacks with Raxanwein and some Ogadeen elements. I even have some relatives who died from attacks by Raxanwein militias at the forefront of Caydid's army. The defeat in Gedo was a disasterous defeat for USC, and afterwards we made our counterattacks all over Somalia from Kismayo, to Galkacyo both liberated by USC. SNF's front was from the bordes of Kenya to Northern Mudug, so its obvious we would lose some lands at one point. With SNF in control of Mudug, our degaans in Galgudud, having control of Kismayo and influencing events in Hiiraan it was Marexaan SNF who put a wreak screw into Caydids (aun) aspirations of becoming President. Even towards the end of Caydids death, he said that it was a disasterous mistake capturing Gedo seeing how it triggered deadly SNF coutnter attacks starting in Gedo and ending in Galkacyo and Kismayo confining Caydid to the ghettos of Xamar where he later passed.

Contrast this with Muloduud. Habar Gidir saw Xamar FOR THE FIRST TIME, in the early '90s. Xamar was always a "Muloduud" city in the sense that all the areas surrounding it are Mudloduud. However to prove how weak you are, HG came from central Somalia and took over your whole city except for TWO districts of Mogadishu, Karan and Medina. It is no wonder Muloduud has had no recourse but to finally use Tigray with the full blessing of your tribal leaders, elders, political and militairy (if you have one) leaders. 100% united in using Tigray to counter your HG cousins. Marexaan have no unfinished business with Habar Gidir and we've moved on. We warred, fought like men, and Pre Tigray invasion we were both happy where we were in Somalia, until the wealkings Muloduud had to call Aaabo Zenawi.

[Voltage]

And Luq has poetically summed up the central theme of the topic.

[Luq_Ganane]

[quote="Voltage"]I cannot believe I forget all about the infamous Mudulood meeting that Cali Gheedi, Muuse Suudi, Salaad Cali Jeele, Maxamed Dheere, and even the Imam of Mudulood, Imaam Maxamuud Imaam Cumar attended in which they all spoke with their feelings summed up by Salaad Cali Jeele:

"Habar Gidir are desperate even to the point they have dusted off the late Caydiid's kaarto, watch how they run out of our city one by one"

*Mudulood response*

"ulululluuululuuulu"



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Votage in a meeting of Muloduud elders, chiefs, leaders etc. Listening to that speech I heard the roar that came out of it. The funniest part was when he said "Treat the wounded Xabashi soldiers" and they roared in approval. From selling your daughters in colonial times to nursing Tigray soldiers, to getting more than half your city taken from you by HG from Mudug where does the shame end?