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Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:51 pm
by Unclebin-
Voltage take you nacnac elsewhere dude.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:54 pm
by PosH
There's a reason why they're called SUICIDE bombers.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:56 pm
by Voltage
[quote="Unclebin-"]Voltage take you nacnac elsewhere dude.[/quote]
Now i can't just figure out where you are a jaajuus or genuine
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:57 pm
by FAH1223
I do not agree with suicide bombings. Allah SWT tells us not to kill ourselves in surah Nisa, ayah 29
"Oh you who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful!"
But I can see what Unclebin is saying, if you intend to do something, insha allah you will get the due for it, laakin i just don't see why someone can't throw a grenade and fight another day
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:58 pm
by Unclebin-
[quote="PosH"]There's a reason why they're called SUICIDE bombers.[/quote]
Yes Western Media call them that....
They are called Martyrdom operations in Palestine Iraq and as of this mans death in Somalia.....
Ofcourse you know one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
Voltage
If you refrained from the nacnac aka uncelbintigre talk then yes.......I believe in this.... Nobody should blow up any buildings in the west. But a Somali a palestinian sure as hell have the right to kill those in the battlefield i.e yahuud iyo habeshi.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:00 pm
by PosH
I'm sorry but taking your own life is SUICIDE. End of.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:01 pm
by Unclebin-
Okay you have a right to your opinion as much as I do.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:05 pm
by PosH
[quote="Unclebin-"]Okay you have a right to your opinion as much as I do.[/quote]
That's not my opinion, that's the truth.
Suicide = the taking of ones own life = Haram.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:07 pm
by Alchemist
May Allah grant him Jannah, amiin...
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:08 pm
by Luq_Ganane
[quote="Alchemist"]May Allah grant him Jannah, amiin...[/quote]
Amin.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:09 pm
by Alluring
UB,
Perhaps you are not proverbial with the history of Somalia. My consideration(s) are based on authenticity, and not hearsay. For instance, it has been intensely broadcasted how Hawiye's demolished Mosque's and defecated on numerous governmental building and property. There have been frequent individuals who have been killed in Mosque's during and in the middle of the Civil War. I have not ONCE insisted that the Ethiopians are doing a good job. But if we want to speak on reality, there are not equated differences between iniquity of Somalis and Ethiopians. Somalia has been without a central government for nearly 18 years, no Somali male, female, youth, or old has spoken about the unfairness and dehumanization of innocence by the hands of people still residing in Xamar. We have been Muslims, since the beginning of the 10th century, so for individuals, who rape, maimed, murdered, and betrayed their nation should NOW be the voice of a religion based on high caliber, respect, dignity? I witnessed in my lifetime immense Muslims, who light up rooms with their wisdom, and are the quintessence of Islam and SURELY these people are NOT in the same scope.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:11 pm
by Unclebin-
Posh
Suicide= Despair
Martyr= Collateral damage
Taking your life based on your intention is what Allahs looking at.
If this man went with an Ak-47 to the Habeshi base (Which is gated) and went out in a glory as some would believe... he would have been sniped. Killing about = Zero people.
But going thru the gates with a car full of bombs and right into the heart of the habeshi= dozens of dead habeshi.....
But I guess the opinions of fuqaha and the greatest ulema of the last 100 years like sheik nasrideen al albani, Sheik Uthaymen, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi etc are wrong?
I guess you know how to intrepret islam better then them.........
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:11 pm
by Somaliweyn
Mujaahid Adam Salaad Adam will be remembered till the end of times.
He was a brave man, defending his land and people. He took with him more then 70 Ethiopian soldiers, and wounded more then 100!
Would he accomplish that with a AK or RPG or tekniko? No!
Its about effectiveness and been sincere. He was sincere in defending his land and people, and was deadly effective.
Indeed a great man!
On this black day of 28 dec, the day Ethiopians entered Mogadishu, his acts should be remembered.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:12 pm
by Luq_Ganane
[quote="Alluring"]UB,
Perhaps you are not proverbial with the history of Somalia. My consideration(s) are based on authenticity, and not hearsay. For instance, it has been intensely broadcasted how Hawiye's demolished Mosque's and defecated on numerous governmental building and property. There have been frequent individuals who have been killed in Mosque's during and in the middle of the Civil War. I have not ONCE insisted that the Ethiopians are doing a good job. But if we want to speak on reality, there are not equated differences between iniquity of Somalis and Ethiopians. Somalia has been without a central government for nearly 18 years, no Somali male, female, youth, or old has spoken about the unfairness and dehumanization of innocence by the hands of people still residing in Xamar. We have been Muslims, since the beginning of the 10th century, so for individuals, who rape, maimed, murdered, and betrayed their nation should NOW be the voice of a religion based on high caliber, respect, dignity? I witnessed in my lifetime immense Muslims, who light up rooms with their wisdom, and are the quintessence of Islam and SURELY these people are NOT in the same scope.[/quote]
Agree 100%. However know that Allah can still forgive those people if He wishes, thats whey we CANNOT say there going to Hell.
Re: Somali Suicide Bomber
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:15 pm
by PosH
[quote="Unclebin-"]Posh
Suicide= Despair
Martyr= Collateral damage
Taking your life based on your intention is what Allahs looking at.
If this man went with an Ak-47 to the Habeshi base (Which is gated) and went out in a glory as some would believe... he would have been sniped. Killing about = Zero people.
But going thru the gates with a car full of bombs and right into the heart of the habeshi= dozens of dead habeshi.....
But I guess the opinions of fuqaha and the greatest ulema of the last 100 years like sheik nasrideen al albani, Sheik Uthaymen, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi etc are wrong?
I guess you know how to intrepret islam better then them.........[/quote]
Listen, buddy, answer this one question for me. Is there a consensus on this issue? You and I both know that the answer to that question is a big,fat, NO! So don't try and guilt me into agreeing with you. I never said the opinion of any particular scholar was "wrong", but if there's no consensus on this issue that, in and of itself, says a lot.