The only time Somalia was united against the enemy

[FAH1223]

Alchemist, it has to be younger people, not these old scruffer ruffers...

the problem is, there are no younger dudes without blood on their hands

and by young i mean like in 40s....so they'd be in their 20s when the civil war began...

[Alchemist]

[quote="FAH1223"]Alchemist, it has to be younger people, not these old scruffer ruffers...

the problem is, there are no younger dudes without blood on their hands

and by young i mean like in 40s....so they'd be in their 20s when the civil war began...[/quote]

Somalia is waiting for the Mahdi..

[FAH1223]

[quote="Alchemist"]

Somalia is waiting for the Mahdi..[/quote]

looool

probably

i think we dream way too much about the possibilities of somalia without thinking about how to have a way to access/fulfill them.........

[Boqor__Daarod]

you opened this thread with a good title but then you insulted the MJ's im not a MJ.

you are right that abdullahi yusuf was a traitor and still is. but there are many other somali traitors some even worse. but the point is if i have a crackhead brother, and you call him crackhead then i will be insulted.

my point is dont open a post by insulting a old clan elder. if you do then also mention all the others.

[Alchemist]

[quote="Boqor__Daarod"]you opened this thread with a good title but then you insulted the MJ's im not a MJ.

you are right that abdullahi yusuf was a traitor and still is. but there are many other somali traitors some even worse. but the point is if i have a crackhead brother, and you call him crackhead then i will be insulted.

my point is dont open a post by insulting a old clan elder. if you do then also mention all the others.[/quote]


Where did i mention MJs sxb?

If people want to get mad just because i mention abdullah yusuf is their fault. Now we cant criticize warlords in the fear that we might upset some clans, come on man that is crazy..

Just show me where i mentioned MJs..

[Boqor__Daarod]

[quote="Alchemist"][quote="Boqor__Daarod"]you opened this thread with a good title but then you insulted the MJ's im not a MJ.

you are right that abdullahi yusuf was a traitor and still is. but there are many other somali traitors some even worse. but the point is if i have a crackhead brother, and you call him crackhead then i will be insulted.

my point is dont open a post by insulting a old clan elder. if you do then also mention all the others.[/quote]


Where did i mention MJs sxb?

If people want to get mad just because i mention abdullah yusuf is their fault. Now we cant criticize warlords in the fear that we might upset some clans, come on man that is crazy..

Just show me where i mentioned MJs..[/quote]

sxb your not blind and your not deaf. alhamdullahi allah gave you both sight and hearing. you know the vibe of somalinet, it is very edgy and tribalistic environment. you can discuss those issues with like like minded people. i agree with what you said about abdullahi yusuf.

but i would'nt say that to infront of a MJ person.

what you said would only divide somalis further. abdullahi yusuf is a clan elder unlike some other warlords. if you insult only one clan elder then you have a hidden agenda. against those who is a elder to.

[Hyperactive]

Somali because of laba group
we cannot unite
wa daba qadoodi and wadado seef labood ah
ga3ana qabil kula jira
ga3ana deen.
kuwas ya amini karo.
wa salam wan seehday somaliyey.

[Alchemist]

[quote="Boqor__Daarod"][quote="Alchemist"][quote="Boqor__Daarod"]you opened this thread with a good title but then you insulted the MJ's im not a MJ.

you are right that abdullahi yusuf was a traitor and still is. but there are many other somali traitors some even worse. but the point is if i have a crackhead brother, and you call him crackhead then i will be insulted.

my point is dont open a post by insulting a old clan elder. if you do then also mention all the others.[/quote]


Where did i mention MJs sxb?

If people want to get mad just because i mention abdullah yusuf is their fault. Now we cant criticize warlords in the fear that we might upset some clans, come on man that is crazy..

Just show me where i mentioned MJs..[/quote]

sxb your not blind and your not deaf. alhamdullahi allah gave you both sight and hearing. you know the vibe of somalinet, it is very edgy and tribalistic environment. you can discuss those issues with like like minded people. i agree with what you said about abdullahi yusuf.

but i would'nt say that to infront of a MJ person.

what you said would only divide somalis further. abdullahi yusuf is a clan elder unlike some other warlords. if you insult only one clan elder then you have a hidden agenda. against those who is a elder to.[/quote]

In this same very post i have spoken about Caydiid, barre Hiireele and other warlords..

You say i shouldnt say something negative about Abdullahi Yusuf infront of MJ person..

So does that mean i shouldnt say anything bad about Caydiid infront of HG person also? lol

People need to hear the truth no matter what..

The main reason Abdullahi Yusuf will get the most spotlight is because of his position today.. who is leading this so called TFG?

[Boqor__Daarod]

[quote="Alchemist"][quote="Boqor__Daarod"][quote="Alchemist"][quote="Boqor__Daarod"]you opened this thread with a good title but then you insulted the MJ's im not a MJ.

you are right that abdullahi yusuf was a traitor and still is. but there are many other somali traitors some even worse. but the point is if i have a crackhead brother, and you call him crackhead then i will be insulted.

my point is dont open a post by insulting a old clan elder. if you do then also mention all the others.[/quote]


Where did i mention MJs sxb?

If people want to get mad just because i mention abdullah yusuf is their fault. Now we cant criticize warlords in the fear that we might upset some clans, come on man that is crazy..

Just show me where i mentioned MJs..[/quote]

sxb your not blind and your not deaf. alhamdullahi allah gave you both sight and hearing. you know the vibe of somalinet, it is very edgy and tribalistic environment. you can discuss those issues with like like minded people. i agree with what you said about abdullahi yusuf.

but i would'nt say that to infront of a MJ person.

what you said would only divide somalis further. abdullahi yusuf is a clan elder unlike some other warlords. if you insult only one clan elder then you have a hidden agenda. against those who is a elder to.[/quote]

In this same very post i have spoken about Caydiid, barre Hiireele and other warlords..

You say i shouldnt say something negative about Abdullahi Yusuf infront of MJ person..

So does that mean i shouldnt say anything bad about Caydiid infront of HG person also? lol

People need to hear the truth no matter what..

The main reason Abdullahi Yusuf will get the most spotlight is because of his position today.. who is leading this so called TFG?[/quote]

i would not say anything bad about aideed infront of a habar gidir. even if i mention some of his wrong judgements i would not insult him as he is dead already.

you only mentions that you dont support aideed after xoogsade persuaded you. there are many MJ's who dont support the TFG and are against that. but the way you said it would make them offended.

[AbdiWahab252]

Alchemist,

I can't believe you are letting the children of the Father of Somalia's problems, Maxamed Siyaad Barre talk to you like that.

MSB was a dictator who had lead to:

1. Ending the Democratic Process in Somalia & Estabilishing 1 man dictatorship
2. Unleashed the Army to kill innocent civilians & massive brutality by the State against the people
3. Arresting all opponents and killing them
4. Established the precedence that the President of Somalia will run the nation like him: autocratic, by force and with no opposition.

If MSB had not seized power undemocratically and did not do everything to maintain it, Caydiid would have been a mere officer in the military, SSDF/SNM/USC/SPM would have not been rebel groups but active political parties that would compete for VOTES.

Saxiib, you need some dhaqan celiin & better research into Somali history.

Caydiid was our Mahdi because he ensured that MSB would never harm another Somali & ended his brutal dictatorship for Somalis from Zeila to Kismayo.

The MSB fans will come back with a rebuttal saying, what happened after the ouster of Barre and I reply, "Why didn't Barre leave quietly instead of reorganizing a comeback ?"

[Murax]

Alchemist,

I guess this is the closest we'll come to an understanding. Somalia needs new faces who were not involved in the civil war in any capacity be it in agression or even clan defense. I do agree that the civil society, Religious (non clan) community etc. should be the new faces of Somalia. Fair enough.


As for A/Wahab don't think I'll engage in any sort of debate with the most comical flip flopper of all time. This guy was the biggest TFG, Qeybadid etc. stooge on the planet, but then stopped on a dime, and did a complete 180. He's one of those guys that lost all sorts of credibility, lmao.... Besides, one reason I hate debating with Somaliweyn, A/Wahab, Twisted even is that they'll bring MSB into any discussion. The subject here was Barre Hiiraale in comparison to Xamar warlords and then all the sudden MSB's name came out of nowhere. Do you guys have ADD?


As for myself I'll be honest. I supported the ICU wholeheartedly in the beginning, when the Kismaayo thing happened I felt lukeworm because a lot of Marexaan there wanted the ICU so I couldn't really dislike them, but when I drew the line and became the only Anti-ICU in my whole family and almost subclan, was when 5 wounded pow's in Buaale were mercilessly gunned down in a hospital and Indacadde said "They were mujrims". After that I offically became Anti ICU. A/wahab dude, the USC is dead and has been dead for over a decade. Believe it or not Somalia has moved on from the Kacaan, Jabhado like USC, SNM etc. Today stop your ilk and Adeer you worship from harassing shacab in Bakaarah.

[FAH1223]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]A
Caydiid was our Mahdi because he ensured that MSB would never harm another Somali & ended his brutal dictatorship for Somalis from Zeila to Kismayo.[/quote]

ARE YOU STUPID?

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU COMPARE A CLAN FACTIONAL LEADER TO THE MAHDI? WTF

[AbdiWahab252]

FAH1223,

U get my point and stop becoming dramatical.

Murax,

Biggest flip flopper ? I was always opposed to the UIC because I saw what was coming.

Don't get sensitive that Barre Hiiraale got kicked out of Kismayo. He was a secular leader who was not a wadaad. He should have donned his cimamaad and joined the band instead of trying to get it both ways: support the UIC in Xamar and still try to keep a fiefdom in Kismayo under the Walalaha Galgaduud Mafia, JVA.

[FAH1223]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]FAH1223,

U get my point and stop becoming dramatical.[/quote]

You are comparing Aydiid to the Mahdi

and Aydiid was a WARLORD, who let his cuqdad and hatred of one group destroy him. He is no better than all the other factional leaders who have blood on their hands from the civil war!

dont play with our religion and say a warlord was the Mahdi

[Murax]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]Caydiid was our Mahdi because he ensured that MSB would never harm another Somali & ended his brutal dictatorship for Somalis from Zeila to Kismayo.
"[/quote]

Theres nothing I can say about that other then its a beutiful day in DC, and maybe the weather will bring back some human integlligence. Man I tell you, that must have been some tufaax your Adeer Caydid gave you, lmao..