Shirib, Meet Ur New Leader

[King-of-Awdal]

Unclebin

Even the French speak somali let alone Arabs. Pretty much everyone speaks Somali but also dont be suprised if one just flip flops from Somali and French. The Arabs there are traders who came as one and now have adapted the somali culture into theirs.

Shirib

Hopefully i will run into a Geledi one day.LOL I have met alot of somali but those that i know of their clan so far excluding my mom and dad's families are Hawadle, Ogaden and Abgaal.

[Unclebin-]

KOA

I got to sleep.... But it's good to hear people are doing well in Djibouti..> Somalize those Djiboutians.... LOOOL

[Shirib]

[quote="King-of-Awdal"]Hopefully i will run into a Geledi one day.LOL I have met alot of somali but those that i know of their clan so far excluding my mom and dad's families are Hawadle, Ogaden and Abgaal[/quote]

There's some Geledi families in Atlanta that we know, so its not like they aren't there, u just don't know them, maybe u'll run into them one of these days.

[King-of-Awdal]

[quote="Shirib"][quote="King-of-Awdal"]Hopefully i will run into a Geledi one day.LOL I have met alot of somali but those that i know of their clan so far excluding my mom and dad's families are Hawadle, Ogaden and Abgaal[/quote]

There's some Geledi families in Atlanta that we know, so its not like they aren't there, u just don't know them, maybe u'll run into them one of these days.[/quote]

Iam sure i have, but its not like i ask them their clan or something. But am just saying those that i know of already are those three. Sometimes i get pissed tht its easier for yall to tell where we come from than we can tell of u.

[Somaliweyn]

As far as I know and have read, the Wacdaan and Geledi alliance came into existence after the two clans ousted the oppressive Silcis group that ruled the Shabelle Valley and were allied with the Ajuraan. Records say that Ajuraan were ousted from Mogadishu and Southern Somalia by an Hiiraab alliance. And Wacdaan Cusmaan and Abgal Cusman (various subclans of Abgal that migrated to Mogadishu/Benadir) then had conflict in which Wacdaan Cusmaan was pushed from Mogadishu and to around Mogadishu, in example to Lafoole (few miles westwards oustide of Mogadishu), Nimow (few miles southwards of Mogadishu) and around the Shabelle in Afgoye region.

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Afgoye city was first known as the Geledi city-state in which the Geledi Sultanate ruled. Wacdaan and Geledi were allied in the defense of that Sultanate, but the Wacdaan had their own independent pastoral leadership. This became clear in Wacdaan's unilateral response to the Italian encrouchments on their lands, while the Sultan of Geledi was hesistant.

Before 1991, Wacdaan saw themselves as just that like every other clan in Somalia. After things got out of hand, like other Somali clans, they started to integrate into larger groupings: hence the use of Mudulood now.

In culture and way of living, they are closer to Geledi..except for the pastoral nomads that lived between Lafoole and Mogadishu who share more with the Wacbudan Abgal.

I've read that during the Arta conference Wacdaan made their own suldan to represent them which led to confusion since Geledi Sultan claimed to represent the Wacdaan too since that was tradition. But the Wacdaan said that they came under Mudulood and thus had their own suldan.

[Shirib]

[quote="Somaliweyn"] I've read that during the Arta conference Wacdaan made their own suldan to represent them which led to confusion since Geledi Sultan claimed to represent the Wacdaan too since that was tradition. But the Wacdaan said that they came under Mudulood and thus had their own suldan.[/quote]

Thats true but the whole thing was short lived. Wacdaan and Geledi alliance still lives and they are still adherent to the Geledi sultan.

Why is every single clan now making a dam sultan. Most of these clans never had a sultan before 91.


Somaliweyn u actually got everything right.

Geledi also did live in the Lafoole region and all. Wacdaan were given that place to live after there fight with Wacbhudan Abgaal, and in return they pledged there support to the Geledi. Yea they had there own tribal folk, but not a sultan, there sultan was the sultan of the Geledi.

Same kinda thing with the Murunsade in the area. They migrated there because of famine in there area and were given land by the Geledi and in return they pledged there support to the Geledi.

[Somaliweyn]

Shirib,

I am sure I've read in that book of that lady Virginia something that Wacdaan had their own political leadership, and that the Sultan was only head of the Geledi Sultanate, and hence of the alliance. In the beginning the groups in the alliance were adherent to this leadership, but later on went their own way, especially after the Italians arrived in the picture.

[King-of-Awdal]

Somaliweyn

As usuall your history is very much interesting.

Shirib

I still dont understand the whole thing about a Geledi Suldaan representing a Clan that they have no blood relation to. Must be a southern thing.

[Somaliweyn]

''Must be a southern thing.''


looool. Its indeed weird practice for Pastoral groups. I think the Wacdaan farmers were represented by the Geledi sultan since they live together in Afgoye. But the pastoral sections of Wacdaan that live in the direct environs around Mogadishu had their own pastoral leadership structure.

[Shirib]

Awdal

U get kicked out of ur house someone else gives u a place to stay and u pledge support to them, its that simple.

To be honest with u southerners never really cared about qabiil like other did. Geledi who is Digil's closest ally is Wacdaan (Mudulood Hawiye) and Murunsade (Karanle Hawiye), and Wacdaan's biggest ally is not there brother Abgaal but Geledi.

I guess u can say its a southern thing. U nomads should try being like us.

Somaliweyn

After it was all said and done Wacdaan's ultimate leader was the Sultan of the Geledi. They probably had there own set of elders but no major leader. There leader was our leader. When a new Sultan is being installed Wacdaan install him and still do so to date which goes to show u that they are still with the Geledi, and that our sultan is there's. The last sultan was installed some time in early 2000's forget exactly what year but the Wacdaan were there to install him.

Geledi and Wacdaan don't collect diya from each other or anything like that. It is like they are pretty much the same clan.

If Geledi were to go to war today, u could bet Wacdaan would be in it too.

I think Virginia said it came to straints or something like that, but never ended, even then the whole place was goin through change then but the alliance never ended.

The arta thing never worked out. The whole making a new sultan thing didn't end up panning out.

The alliance lives on.

p.s can we officially adopt Wacdaan, Mudulood isn't doing them much justice.

[Somaliweyn]

''p.s can we officially adopt Wacdaan, Mudulood isn't doing them much justice.''

lol. True said, their interest has been neglected, how else can u explain that Afgoye can be ruled by someone from Dhusamareeb while the Mudulood neighbors from Benadir accept the situation. But the same neglect has happened to Geledi by Raxanweyn. If the current trend continues, Digil will be just a subclan of Raxanweyn (Mirifle) and lose their lands in Lower Shabelle.

But Wacdaan-Geledi alliance is not strong enough in modern times to withstand predatory groups from Central Somalia. Both are better off within a Mudulood rule over the whole region of Benadir.

[Shirib]

Somaliweyn

U know ur right, a while back these Digil guys were debating with some Mirifle (Rahanweyn) ones and the Digil guys were like to hell with the RRA. How is it that Xaabsade is runnin around makin deals with Indha'ade and Caato, when they are the same ones who were holding Digil land and opressing there people.

[Twisted_Logic]

Somaliweyne,

Fascinating historical insight as usual.

Shirib,

We will have to start a grande Mudulood and Geladi Alliance that will dominate the Mid-lands of Somalia for generations.

[Physicists]

[quote="Twisted_Logic"]http://eelaayonline.com/index.php?actio ... view;id=14

Aar Kuwaan waa Abgaal![/quote]

how?...those pictures were especially researched at washington central puplic library and uploaded......you will not find them anywhere else on the net but only on..

http://eelaayonline.com/

[AbdiWahab252]

[quote="Somaliweyn"]Records say that Ajuraan were ousted from Mogadishu and Southern Somalia by an Hiiraab alliance. [/quote]

Somaliweyn,

Very true.

For that Hiiraab are native to the region by paying for the liberation from Ajuuraan, Italians, Barre, and now the Ethiopians.

So those Central Somalis of Hiiraan extraction have claim to the land for without certain Hiiraab, outsiders will come back to colonize.