The 1969 Coup in Somalia?

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Xoogsade

You're only the rational marexaan in this place, so I'm gonna ask you a serious question. Why was there no system in somalia to replace Barre and he's administration, if the man truly cared about somalia why didn't he create a successor. Also what good is social programs if there is no system where people can earn on their own, somalia economy was majority based on foreign aid from russian, arab leageu and what have you.

The only argument the kacaan has is it's better than what's going on today, but no way near the 60's government, because at least with that government there were election and any 'corruption' was only temporary.

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King of awdal

If you wanna read about the 1969 coup, read 1969 by i.m lewis. it's a quick summary of what happened. You can find it in Jstor.

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Sxb every single Mareexaan person here is more rational than I am. I don't really have a lot of time so I'll answer your question with a question.

If the Kacaan was bad or rather if the civilian government it replaced was so good why did more than 90% of Somalis take to the streets to celebrate the birth of the Kacaan?

lool@ Murax

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lol@xoogsade

there was many iraqi people celebrating when sadaam was first toppled too, what people think is gonna happen and what actually happens are usually two different things. Just like there are people regretting today for starting the somali civil war, there was a lot of people regretting starting the 1969 coup because it replaced a 'temporary' problem with a permanent one.

I'm not here to convince you of anything because both of our mind are already made up, but some times the hard truth needs to be told especially to the likes of FAH.

[FAH1223]

[quote="Atomic"]King of awdal

If you wanna read about the 1969 coup, read 1969 by i.m lewis. it's a quick summary of what happened. You can find it in Jstor.[/quote]

can you put a direct link sxb

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Fah

You need access to the database, just go to the online databases on your school library and look for jstor. search for ''The Politics of the 1969 Somali Coup''

[FAH1223]

[quote="Atomic"]Fah

You need access to the database, just go to the online databases on your school library and look for jstor. search for ''The Politics of the 1969 Somali Coup''[/quote]

k thanks

[RIIGHAYE]

What happened to the 1978 Coup. I know it was aborted bu thow close the MJ officers got into overthrowing Bare's government.

[Voltage]

[quote="Wareer"]Here is a declassified document.
It was led by two Generals: One Warsangeli and another Marrehan.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/54644.pdf[/quote]


And that is all it took to put Xplaya back in his place. Wasted alcoholics trying to give themselves ego boost.

Aydiid also mentions the importance of several Marehan man in not only carrying out the PHYSICAL part of the coup but as well as intellectually outlining the policy and guidelines of the Coup.

"Lieutenant Colonel Ali Malan Hasii and two other officers of Siad Barre's own Marehan tribe.

Besides this, he chose three intellectuals of his tribe, who were secretly working for him in evolving the political system and the future policy. They were spreading his ideas. The chief among them was a well-known named Mohammed Aden who had received his education in Italy and obtained a Doctorate of Pediatrics (Medicine)."

AND about the national charter:

"Siad Barre read it and was relieved. After reading it he passed it over to Dr. Ahmed Mohammed Lawaho who belonged to the same Marehan tribal group as Siad Barre and was then Director General in the Foreign Ministry. He was a very good-charactered and strict man, every efficient, intellectual and friendly with everybody. He read our charter and was very happy with it. He made only one observation, "You should also say that the new regime will work in order to free all Somali people who are under the colonial system and then to unite them in the Somali Republic under one flag."

http://www.civicwebs.com/cwvlib/africa/ ... ter_13.htm



Qorsheel was the second highest ranking but along with Gabayre was executed in 1973 for trying to undertake a counter-coup.


KING OF AWDAL:

The Coup happened because of two reasons and they led up to each other. The coup was not planned pre-Abdirashiiid assasination but after it, it became necessary to do it to prevent CIGAAL from seizing greater power and I will tell you why.

The first reason the coup happened is because the president Abdirisiid Cali Shermarke was assasinated by a Cali Saleebaan.

When this happened, the country went into shock and then a brief instability that had the potential to evolve into a civil war.

The reason is because CIGAAL was by that time opposed by many Somalis for being seen as "giving in" to imperial powers and as prime minister normalizing relations with Ethiopia and Kenya, two countries we were in an indefinite state of war with. This guy had literally signed off the NFD and was close to signing off the Ogaden. However, even when this was happening, Siad Barre as the Commander of the Somali Armed Forces had continued to treat Kenya and Ethiopia as hostile enemy nations despite whatever political prostitution Cigaal was playing to sell of the Somali land's like a cheap hooker in need of a john.

Because of the assassination, Cigaal as prime minister had the function of nominating a president. A man of Cigaal's political positions could not be trusted in nominating a president. It was because of Abdirashiid that Cigaal had not gotten his wish to sell away the Ogaden to begin with. A president nominated by Cigaal will most surely have shared his political outlook and this could not be allowed under any circumstances.

Siad Barre, along with Jaamac Qoorsheel, explained the country's situation to Caynaanshe and Gabayre who were all military men, hostile to the Ethiopian and Kenyan seizure of our lands, and so each agreed to campaign among their sections of the armed forces with Siad Barre, the Commander of all of them, being the chief of the pack and the man they all came back to. The Coup was undertaken, Siad Barre took over leadership as was natural and the rest is history.

[Transformer]

And when did Caydiid become expert on the unfortunate coup of 1969...As I recall the man had no political weight and as far as his findings go let's just say they hold no weight either.

"The coup was not planned pre-Abdirashiiid assasination but after it"

I agree here...Markii la isweydiiyey lama sheegin abaabul afgembi oo Ciidamada Hubka sidaa ku tala jireen, dilkii Madaxweynihii (Dr. Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmarke) kahor.

Was there opposition to Dr. Cabdirashid Cali Sharmarke administration? Of course, the country then was a democratic state.

As far as Afweyne is concern...qudhiisu saafi ma ahayn Dawladdana daacad uma ahayn, hase yeeshee marku arkay kaalintii Madaxweynaha oo banaanaatay wuxuu is yiri maantay kuu degataye yey ku dhaafin, taa ayaa ku dhiirri gelisey in uu jagadaa banana xoog ku qabsado.

Sida la sheegay ciil qab hore ayaa ku jirey, Waayo? Laba todobaad ka hor ayaa Golihii Wasaaradda oo Maxamaed Xaaji Cigaal madaxda ka ahaa warqad u qoray iyadoo lagu leeyahay, waxaa la gartay inaad cilmi kororsi gaaban Italia u tagto, isaguna taa maa dalban, hase ahaatee sida la sheegay ujeedada ka dambeysaa waxay ahayd, markuu ciidamada ka dhex baxo in hawl gab laga dhigo oo Taliye kale ciidamad loo magacaabo; dareen weyn baa laga qabay, taasina waxay hayd arrin meesha ku jirtey oo aragtideeda gaar leh, isaguna taa wa garan soonaa.

"The coup was to prevent CIGAAL from seizing greater power"

I disagree here...Afweyne was about to be demoted by Cigaal; hence his sentecinting right after after the coup. Cigaal knew his limits so don't make the man seem so powerful.

Btw...here is askarigii Dr. Cabdirashid Cali Sharmarke diley picture:

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2cf4c21&s=3

[Executive]

[quote="RIIGHAYE"]What happened to the 1978 Coup. I know it was aborted bu thow close the MJ officers got into overthrowing Bare's government.[/quote]




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I dont know if it was that one, But Abdullahi Yusuf and Ethiopia attacked Dhulbahante in an attempt to overtrhow Said Barres govt. It was around 1980 and it happened in Buuhoodle.

[AbdiWahab252]

The Mastermind of the Coup was General Salad Gabeire (AUN). He thought he could use Maxamed Siyaad BArre (AUN) as a figure head & use him to achieve his goals.

But without a Shaydan Aarag, General Salad Gabeire's plans were doomed as Maxamed Siyaad outfoxed him.

[Voltage]

Abdiwahab, according to the declassified C.I.A document there, the president asssasinated was Darood, his assasinator was a Darood, and the two men who implemented the Coup to prevent Cigaal from getting greater power was Darood. Somalia=Darood and no one else. Sad you still have not come to terms with it. From your own Caydiid there, Siyad was the brains, the mastermind, and the supreme credit for the Coup. One thing you get reading Caydiid's account is his supreme respect for Siyad's intellect, his cunning, and efficiency.


Transformer, you are wrong. I know full well what you are talking about but it did not happen when Siad was the Commander of the Armed Forces nor did it bring haste reasons to oversee a coup.

When General Da'uud died, Siyaad and another man (can't remember) were the co deputy-commanders and one had to become commander. Siyaad, however, had a longer resume and more field work and because of his strong militaristic feelings in regards to Ethiopia and Kenya, was favored to get the nomination. Cigaal was at that time working on how to become closer with Ethiopia and Kenya (if you remember he is the same guy who normalized relations with Britain, a country we cut off relations with in 1962 for allowing Kenya to independence with the NFD). Trying to play political intrigue, Cigaal tried to have Siyaad sent over-seas for "training".

Cigaal might not have been a military mind, but he should naturally have known a Brig. General is not sent overseas for "training". The whole concept became a joke and Cigaal tarnished his reputation by showing his strong bias as well as made an enemy of the insulted Siyaad. Suffice to say, Siyaad DID become the Commander of the Armed as was natural since he was the highest ranking and most accomplished Somali military commander of that time, and went on to become president.

The rest is history.

[Murax]

[quote="Voltage"]Abdiwahab, according to the declassified C.I.A document there, the president asssasinated was Darood, his assasinator was a Darood, and the two men who implemented the Coup to prevent Cigaal from getting greater power was Darood. Somalia=Darood and no one else. .[/quote]



You got a point there, loool..

[RIIGHAYE]

It was bloodless coup that was well organized. Those Generals and officers were very skilled in effecting the first regime change in Somalia.