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Did you support the ICU?

waa la jiraa cid kasta ka soo horjeeda ethiopia. but I'm against Wahaabis and the Arabization of Somalia

Ignore this Dudaaye, I searched his posts and a whooping 124 of his 140 posts is about cursing Majerteen. People like these are sick and We only ask Allah to help him

Dudaaye, You have yet to provide a credible evidence to support and justify your dislike for MJs. One acceptable reason in the parlance of somali clan politics is that you don't like them because men like A/Y has betrayed his country, has support groups from his clansmen and plays a role in Muqdisho massacres. The TFG has Hawiye members, Maxamed Dheere and Qaybdiid being the notable warlords who are happily serving under A/Y. They have thier own Hawiye militia robbing Hawiye and Nonhawiye in Muqdisho. Can you blame Abgaal for Maxamed Dheere's screw-ups? Can you blame Sacad for Qaybdiid's prostitution? Can you blame Hawiye? MJs are the same, the only members from that clan who deserve condemnation are the callous bigots who support A/Y and don't question the obvious human rights violations they see committed against somali women and children in Muqdisho. The acts of the faithless recruits from Hawiye and MJ militia in Muqdisho deserve our wrath and condemnation, but the somali clans MJs being among many are just as innocent as the rest of us are saxib.

gamadid

what about those who support the al shabab extremist fighters who use urban warfare and civilians as shields, they should be condemned as well no?

^ May be the unnecessary slaughter of a somali prisoner who fell into their hands when they can easily let him go. I condemn that. Apart from that, I am for the war against the xabashis who slaughter elderly women with no regard and rape little girls after they snatch them from behind their mother's backs. I am for the eviction of Xabashi troops who have no business being in Somalia much less in Muqdisho, the symbol of our freedom and sovereignity. Al-shabab is only part of a bigger opposition somalis from across clans support saxib, they can be dealt with if somalis are left alone to solve their problems without outside forces pursuing their national interests. Somalis never accept extreme religious views and that will always remain true.

I just have one question, are the lifes of somali citizens who were slaughtered back in 1991 not matter. Somali society have done worse things to themselves than the Tigre are doing to them today. So dont think the world will cry over some 5000 thousand skinnies who died this past two or so years when thousands more were killed by their own.

gamadid

Neither is better than the other(TFG or shabab or ICU) and that's the somali predicament which leads the xabesh to take advantage of us. As soon as the ethiopians came, the TFG lost the support of the people and that's why the al shaba will always have the popular of those in xamar and surroundings.

We were better off when everyone was working on their regions and the fighting was limited to minor clan clashes. But call it naive, I still hope their is some central government that can be salvaged from this mess.

Rebel,

I agree with you saxib, we were better off without the TFG although many somalis in the south were living under the gun of mooryaans from Mudug. The country was recovering slowly and the religious communities played a great deal to rectify past wrongs and brdige the gaps between somali cumminities. Sooner or later, good was to overtake the bad and Somalia would have recovered with the warlords losing on utter defeat. Muqdisho warlords were getting very unpopular before they were boasted with the creation of the TFG. They gained a lease to continue being prominent and profit immensely from taxation and appropriation of public lands for their use(like building air-strips and etc). ICU came to prominence only when the TFG failed due to internal squabbles, AY and his camp against Muqdisho warlords spearheaded by Yalaxoow and Qanyare, TFG was to die withering in Baydhabo with no one paying attention to them including Ethiopia who was happy with the control it had over the Muqdisho warlords. The entire country was ruled by Ethiopia through proxy and setting warlords against warlords.

ICU emerged when these warlords who undermined A/Y joined the bandwagon of Washington in the fight against terrorism. They stablished an organization to fight terrorism while A/Y rusted on his Mudug butt in Baydhabo with no one paying attention to him and his buddies. He argued the war on terrorism should be waged by the TFG and they should be the ones getting the CIA money instead of Muqdisho crooks :))

So, in light of these events, with the warlords increasingly transporting innocent men from clans who had no support in Muqdisho to Djibouti for interrogation, harrassing quranic schools, openly erasing verses of the Quran from the walls of religious schools, removing niqabs from women, Muqdisho residents felt threatened deeply and a war broke out in Kaaraan between Abgaal subclans in the beginning. It was a war which started unexpectedly and the power of the ICU grew exponentially then gaining support from threatened population who felt they were on the throes of death. Somalis from afar came to Muqdisho to deal a blow to the warlords once and for all. The rest is history saxib. The point I am trying to make is that the ICU was born out of necessity, their popularity was immense because of the hatred people had for the warlords. With the TFG who everybody in muqdisho supported except the warlords dying in Baydhabo, people supported the alternative to the warlords, the neighborhood sheekhs they knew they could trust.

Anyway, to bring a long post to conclusion, I agree with you, we were better off with our growing and healing devided somalia than we are now.



King-Awdal

Bal caqligaada ku noqo, do two wrongs make a right? If there were an injustice in the past, an injuctice in the present doesn't become right. You can join the conversation with some substance saxib. Iska hadalkaada wuu batay.

Gamadid.

I just dont like double standards and you cant say am bias because all yall are the same to me. When one praised Aidiid and than says shit about A/Y i see double standard because they both are guilty. No wonder yall destroyed Zoomalia. You cant just Blame everything that goes wrong in Zoomalia on A/Y cause i dont even belive he runs things in the country.

King-of-Awdal

A place called Mudug (Galgaduud included) is the problem with Somalia. Every crazy man is from there. All the mooryaan are from there. Their entire culture is qabyaalad and killing. Mudug is to blame. Damn Lamagoodle's.

Gamadid

The problem with the ICU and I think this has been discussed ad nauseum is they're origins and their clan representation. They were impatient and wanted to go to every region by force without getting the approval and support of the inhabitants. Had they stayed in their own regions, things could very well have turned to their favor and gradually get the support of others.

They lost their credibility when they started favoring 'ceyr' sub clan in kismayo coalition between HG and marexaan which lead to Barre hiiraale running from the city enraged. Plus, the bulk of the influence of the ICU was from HG and largely ceyr. At the end of the day there were too many hypocrites running with them like indhacadde aweys etc and they had no long term plans for the country and were pretty much politically and world inexperienced.

It's difficult to support what's happening in xamar, but those fighting the 'resistance' have no long term plan for the country afterwards. If the xabesh leave or pushed from the country, who's to say another cycle of clan violence will not start with some looking for 'revenge'.

Most somali's are also very suspicious of each other and that's why the opposition to the TFG is from a few clans while others have no interest in helping. And can you blame them? after what the ICU has done and the the civil war still fresh in some people minds.

[quote="garowegal"][quote="CoolPoisons"]sadeboi, U have dhabayacos like gemine07 who have Marehan grandmother and still talk shit. This dog eat internet let these fockers defend themselves.[/quote]

i think you are mistaking gemini with me and i have never bashed no MR on this site let alone any other clan i dont get involved in e- clan wars.[/quote]

^^no gemini, he has Rer Warsame Dini grandmother.

Rebel-Lion.

Man, you make a lot of sense when you are not on your diazpam(hating on HG) :)) Kidding, I can't disagree with what you said except would like to correct one thing, Sheekh Aweys is not like Indho Cadde unless we make him guilty by being Ayr. No one in his right mind argues the ICU was perfect but to this day, they remain the best group we saw emerge out of the rubble of Muqdisho.

A- Leadership was mainly Hawiye because Muqdisho is where events took off. The policy was to fight fight Hawiye warlords with Hwiye leadership. And it worked in the beginning. The warlords were denied the opportunity to argue that Darod was coming to retake Muqdisho. Qaybdiid tried to use that line of argument trying to set Cayr agaisnt Sacad. It didn't work well except on the impressionable people like on cousin Abdiwahab :)

B- The ICU had leadership from other clans as well. I recall they had a gathering in Muqdisho where they elected men from clans to different positions. So the leadership was representative even though some of the top positions were held by Cayr.

I agree with you on their failure partly, they should have stayed put in Benadir and strengthened their hold. Some can argue they were invited to the places they went to after Muqdisho victory. I don't want to get into that debate. All in all, the ICU will be missed royally. They were a glimmer of hope in a country people's mental well-being has been greatly incapacitated by senseless wars and hopelessness, more so in Muqdisho than anywhere else.


King-Awdal

A/Y, Maxamed Dheere, Qaybdiid all took responsibility for Muqdisho's violence. They are on record justifying everything the Xabashi troops did and still do. I don't think anyone would be unjust blaming them for what they take responsibility for saxib.

[quote="CoolPoisons"][quote="garowegal"][quote="CoolPoisons"]sadeboi, U have dhabayacos like gemine07 who have Marehan grandmother and still talk shit. This dog eat internet let these fockers defend themselves.[/quote]

i think you are mistaking gemini with me and i have never bashed no MR on this site let alone any other clan i dont get involved in e- clan wars.[/quote]

^^no gemini, he has Rer Warsame Dini grandmother.[/quote]

Why pick on Gemini when almost every Mx forumer has some Mj blood yet that hasn't stopped them from talking shit?!

F.Y.I. Gemini is a chick.

[quote="Dudaaye"]My grandmother is Majerteen too!!

but, there is mistrust between my family members and hate, I blame my grandmother's offspring. but we know their gene is cursed[/quote]

OMG that is so disgusting. You think your grandmothers blood is cursed? Thank Allah I haven't met people like you. This is absolutely disgusting.

I feel much closer to my grandmothers subsubclan than I do my own. I don't know how anyone could have this much hate for their own blood. Uff!