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Shirib wrote:^^ I know Salah was another Arab prophet but he was a nabi not a rasuul.
Every single race recieved a nabi.
every single race reived a nabi?! daliil?! dont think so, you mean to say the words of allah reached every single race
"And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e., do not worship Taghut besides Allah)." Then of them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth). (Qur'an 16:36)
A prophet's race and skin colour is not important. If some want to feel special by associating prophecy and messengerhood with race and skin tone, they are lost.
As the verses of the Quran teach us, only a portion of prophets and messengers were mentioned while many where left unmentioned.
The jews think humanity is useless and all beings aside from them are of lesser value because God chose them over others. Let us not fall into the same trap and associate Allah's religion with race and skin tone. Allah doesn't favour a racial group among mankind.
PS: Gentile to the jews means all nonjews by birth and Arabs are included in the gentiles(this is for surrender)
Allah said himself in Qur'an ' Wa fadalaalu bacdakum libacth' thats why all Prophets came from Israel and Arab
Ibrahim wasn't Israelite, or Arab neither were Luud or Nuuh
A prophet's race and skin colour is not important. If some want to feel special by associating prophecy and messengerhood with race and skin tone, they are lost.
As the verses of the Quran teach us, only a portion of prophets and messengers were mentioned while many where left unmentioned.
The jews think humanity is useless and all beings aside from them are of lesser value because God chose them over others. Let us not fall into the same trap and associate Allah's religion with race and skin tone. Allah doesn't favour a racial group among mankind.
PS: Gentile to the jews means all nonjews by birth and Arabs are included in the gentiles(this is for surrender)
good first points but what you mean by "Gentile to the jews means all nonjews by birth and Arabs are included in the gentiles" i dont think so. just because thet belong to the jews dont mean they are. and anyways allah already stated they were arab and israilist (the prophets). but the most important thing as you said isnt their colour!
Waraa MJ, ha dambaabin, there is no where Allah mentions favorability of Arabs in the Quran over other humans, Islam teaches no racial bigotry and came to fight it. The jews looked down on Arabs and called them Ummiyiin(Illitrates) and cheating them Arabs was part of the Jewish religious law, their mantra was let us loot these animals, so hold on saxib.
About the verse you quoted, check what ibnu Kathiir says about it or other known quranic translators. It has no racial aspect but more to do with Allah's will over whom he decided to send some prophets from. One of the main reasons the Jews rejected Prophet Mohamed was their claim of exclusivity to prophethood, to them Allah wouldn't send a prophet from Arabs, but Allah rebuked them and told them he did what he wanted to do and sent a prophet among the illitrates.
Waraa yaroow, islaamka haka dhigin diin qabiileed. if it favoured Arabs or jews, beleive me, I would have nothing to do with Islam as it would not be mine by default as a black somali man. There would be no place for me in it and islam wouldn't be a Universal religion.
A prophet's race and skin colour is not important. If some want to feel special by associating prophecy and messengerhood with race and skin tone, they are lost.
As the verses of the Quran teach us, only a portion of prophets and messengers were mentioned while many where left unmentioned.
The jews think humanity is useless and all beings aside from them are of lesser value because God chose them over others. Let us not fall into the same trap and associate Allah's religion with race and skin tone. Allah doesn't favour a racial group among mankind.
PS: Gentile to the jews means all nonjews by birth and Arabs are included in the gentiles(this is for surrender)
good first points but what you mean by "Gentile to the jews means all nonjews by birth and Arabs are included in the gentiles" i dont think so. just because thet belong to the jews dont mean they are. and anyways allah already stated they were arab and israilist (the prophets). but the most important thing as you said isnt their colour!
What is the aayat that says this.
Nabi Nuuh AS. Ibrahim AS, and Luud AS are not Banu Israel nor are they Arab.
Shirib wrote:^^ I know Salah was another Arab prophet but he was a nabi not a rasuul.
Every single race recieved a nabi.
every single race reived a nabi?! daliil?! dont think so, you mean to say the words of allah reached every single race
"And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e., do not worship Taghut besides Allah)." Then of them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth). (Qur'an 16:36)
every ummah doesnt mean every nation or comunity in this ayah. it means like for evey period of time. like from adan to muhammed there was always a prophet send to the people at that period. for ex. prophet muhhamed (scw) was send 1400years ago, he was arab-qurayshi man. but he was send to all man kind in THIS world. at THIS period of time from africa, asia, americas, europe to the arabian peninsula. that dont mean he's asian, african or earopean!!! get it?
^^^ Are u positive, I really do believe it means every nation/community, not period of time.
Plus there are many prophets that we do not know of, that have not been mentioned by name
"And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad(P)); of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allah. So, when comes the Commandment of Allah, the matter will be decided with truth, and the followers of falsehoodwill then be lost. (Qur'an 40:78) "
I'm not saying that race matters but I am pretty sure that a prophet was sent to every race.
And Nabi Muhammad SAW was sent to all of mankind and not just one race, thats why he is the seal of the prophethood and the last prophet.
A prophet's race and skin colour is not important. If some want to feel special by associating prophecy and messengerhood with race and skin tone, they are lost.
As the verses of the Quran teach us, only a portion of prophets and messengers were mentioned while many where left unmentioned.
The jews think humanity is useless and all beings aside from them are of lesser value because God chose them over others. Let us not fall into the same trap and associate Allah's religion with race and skin tone. Allah doesn't favour a racial group among mankind.
PS: Gentile to the jews means all nonjews by birth and Arabs are included in the gentiles(this is for surrender)
I wouldn't say it's not important. I understand his mission is something that is of more importance, but why is it wrong discussing our Prophet and his heritage?
Wallahi I hate people who come in here with their nacnac. If you don't want to discuss, please kindly press the back button and engage in other threads. I didn't post this so you can tell me our Prophets skin tone etc. is useless.
Remove the cover from the eyes and reread the verses I quoted above, Arab and jew with regards to God means nothing. The verses always make sense but it is you who wants to project some bias on the Quran. The Quran is not about people and what they think.
One more thing, Acjami means nonarab and the jews are included in Acajamiyiin as well. Anyone who is not an Arab is Acjami and to be an Arab is to SPEAK ARABIC, so technically, every muslim who is black, white, brown and yellow who is able to speak Arabic can be considered Arabic.
Why are you so bent on Arab or Jewishness? Who gives a fock? I don't.
Shirib
U sheeg dadkaan wareersan, the father figure of messengers Noah was not an Arab, so was Messenger Abraham a nonarab.
Surrender and likeminded must be shocked to find out that the grandfather of prophet Mohamed who was another prophet by the name Ishmael(Ismaaciil) was no Arab, the son of Abraham, only his progeny became Arabs out of whom prophet Mohamed was born. We all know, or any one who read the siira of the prophet would know that Abraham left his son Ismacil and wife in the middle of the desert. Allah saved them with zamzam water and Arabs travelling in the desert saw the woman and the Kid, asked her permission to use the water and then stablished Mekka as we know it today. These were Arab tribes. When prophet ismacil was 15 years Old, they married him to an Arab daughter of theirs and he became one among the Arabs. The cousins of Arabs call themselves jews and they descend from Ismacil's brother Isxaaq. We can see at some point people become intermingled with other people and take on a new identity, it doesn't really matter who is who.
Bottomline, who Gives A TOSS about Arabnimo and Jewishnimo? Losers with no faith always circumambulate around bigotry and racism, I say "kaalaya, shine my shoes" all. I am out.
Last edited by Quadratic on Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Only those who have descended from Yaquub are Israelites, and those who have descended from Ismaiil are Arabs. Anyone before the these two are neither Arab nor Israelite.
Brav3Heart wrote:Only those who have descended from Yaquub are Israelites, and those who have descended from Ismaiil are Arabs. Anyone before the these two are neither Arab nor Israelite.
Thats what I was trynna get at.
Adam AS, Ibrahim AS, Nuuh AS, Luud AS, none of these prophets are Arab nor Israelite
Quadratic wrote:Zackabdul, Discuss the prophet as you may but no racial bigotry is acceptable.
Discussing the Prophets heritage is "racial bigotry?".
God created many races so why would it be wrong to talk about it? There is nothing negative being mentioned about any race so sxb take your calacal somewhere else.
I am in fact with you and joined the discussion when Surrender refused to Accept the prophet's discription of Moses as dark skinned. How soon did you forget that people were on your case for relating to us that Moses was dark skinned? The whole thread took a racial overtone then with Surrender's post and her attempts to explain away your message as fiction.
You come in finally and blame me? Are you okay mate?
Meesha ka wad casharkaa bixineesid and leave dadkaan kale to me
daliil?! dont think so, you mean to say the words of allah reached every single race
