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*Nobleman* wrote:I agree with a lot that voltage has mentioned. Also who ever described them as 'arrogant and ignorant', was spot on. I cant find a more fitting term. I've almost given up hope, the majority of somalis are not rational people. How can qabil and political views blind you so much that you accept war, suffering, anarchy for 20 plus years. Somalis claim bantu and other africans are enslaved animals, laakin how have they managed to go from civil war, to establishing political systems, infrastructures etc. My only hope is that the new generation of educated somalis in the west, east and somalia will be more open to bring change.

Great illustration, but I disagree with you on one point. Those Bantu Africans the majority of them happen to be Christian, and most of their governments are still controlled by those who colonized them. Therefore, more upheaval, and protests rarely can occur, because those people are told what to do. The good and the bad in conjecture with Somalis lies with the fact that they have ALWAYS happened to be independent, no one can tell a Somali what to do, which is a great characteristic and also the biggest problem with that is they don't happen to listen to themselves and other SOMALIS.

I believe we truly are the generation of change (that word gets tossed around lately) but to me it has meant something for years, and with age comes wisdom with education comes freedom. Somalis need to have a sense of freedom, more schools, more more more of everything that is good with moving a nation FORWARD! But, we must first HEAL ourselves.

Alluring wrote:

*Nobleman* wrote:I agree with a lot that voltage has mentioned. Also who ever described them as 'arrogant and ignorant', was spot on. I cant find a more fitting term. I've almost given up hope, the majority of somalis are not rational people. How can qabil and political views blind you so much that you accept war, suffering, anarchy for 20 plus years. Somalis claim bantu and other africans are enslaved animals, laakin how have they managed to go from civil war, to establishing political systems, infrastructures etc. My only hope is that the new generation of educated somalis in the west, east and somalia will be more open to bring change.

Great illustration, but I disagree with you on one point. Those Bantu Africans the majority of them happen to be Christian, and most of their governments are still controlled by those who colonized them. Therefore, more upheaval, and protests rarely can occur, because those people are told what to do. The good and the bad in conjecture with Somalis lies with the fact that they have ALWAYS happened to be independent, no one can tell a Somali what to do, which is a great characteristic and also the biggest problem with that is they don't happen to listen to themselves and other SOMALIS.

I believe we truly are the generation of change (that word gets tossed around lately) but to me it has meant something for years, and with age comes wisdom with education comes freedom. Somalis need to have a sense of freedom, more schools, more more more of everything that is good with moving a nation FORWARD! But, we must first HEAL ourselves.

i agree saixb

Alluring wrote:

Basra- wrote:

sadeboi wrote:Civilized is to ones interpretation. I find a lot of "civilized" societies to be uncivilized and lacking morals. I would go one more, lakiin Basra baad iska tahay marka maxaan isku dhaalini?

sadeboi


professionalism is defined in the circumfrence rules and regulations of a business sector wise. The word civil truly, if investigated was derived from the inhabitants of a city. Hence, the etiquette- of civilization was created, and rules governing 'how to live' among each other was formed. Morality and civilization have nothing to do with each other. One can be extremely immoral yet civilized. Meaning, that one that is civilized can live among others with manners, following rules and still be a drunk, an adulteror, a thief--but in a controlled sense of beingness be a law abiding citizen of that particular civilized society. Civility mainly incompasses how to live among each other with tact, respect, discipline, following law, rules and regulations. Morality is governed by religion rules not civilizations rules.

Marehaan boi....does this musing make sense?

The word professionalism has nothing to do with with "business sector", it has to do with personal traits of an individual, do they treat people with respect, how do they behave, how do they address their elders, etc. That is what professionalism is about, civilization or being civil is a mere inflated interpretation.

Thank you Alluring. Excellent!

I used "unprofessional" on purpose. "Civilized" has a colonial cannotation and it takes away from my observations.

I purposely used "unprofessional" to sum up everything that could have been mentioned "uncivilized" and more.



And Basra-

"Unprofessional" is not limited to the business/economic sector. It can mean anything that limits the ability to work as you should in any field.

Are you a professional is another way of saying are you educated in what you practice.

Professional skills are higher level skills such as doctor, lawyer, etc.

Somalis have no sense of professionalism!

VOLTAGE~!~~~ 8) In other words u were using a Euphomism for lack of professionalism to mean savage,uneducated. Miah? Ok-- Say that then.

Basra- wrote:VOLTAGE~!~~~ 8) In other words u were using a Euphomism for lack of professionalism to mean savage,uneducated. Miah? Ok-- Say that then.

Call it my form of "sarbeeb".

Voltage,

What countries have you visited so far? And how were they?

Alluring wrote:Voltage,

What countries have you visited so far? And how were they?

Somalia, Kenya, and Uganda. Wanted to visit Egypt but that will be another time. All in all it was "enlightening".

Voltage,


I know how you feel and I know you know that I know how you feel, b/c I remember when you were spot on when you mentioned that I came back disillusioned from my trip to Somalia. I experienced exactly what you're talking about. I learned that the Somali people at large is not my people and their culture not mine, but that it's limited to the Westernized Somali diaspora. Meaning, only among the Somalis in the diaspora can you truly feel at home and never among the Somalis back home. It's like a black dude who grew up in rich, white suburbs with an ivy league education trying to go back to the hood, only because that's where his 'roots' lies. The importance of the source fades over time.

To give you a few examples that ignited this thinking process are the following:

1- The hierarchy in Somalia bugged me the fock out, I thought we were the most egalitarian race on earth only to find out that Somalis live, drink, breathe and shit hierarchy in their daily lives. Every Somali has and needs another Somali to trample upon and look down to, no matter how sad a character he is himself.

2- I attended a grand shir in Gaalkacyo in the Qurac Weyn building, and after numerous boring speeches by different elders and a buraanbur by an elderly woman, the mayor of the city Yabaq arrived (being too late), just came from his khat session in his ridiculous shirt and gave his speech with a focking fanta bottle in his hand.

3- When a woman from the UK in my airplane told me she got robbed by her own cousins in Caabuudwaaq. She was devastated.


This lack of discipline, this borderline xayawaan behaviour of Somalis is absolutely what's crippling us.

Alluring wrote:I believe we truly are the generation of change (that word gets tossed around lately) but to me it has meant something for years, and with age comes wisdom with education comes freedom. Somalis need to have a sense of freedom, more schools, more more more of everything that is good with moving a nation FORWARD! But, we must first HEAL ourselves.

Nice words Ms Obama, but give us concrete examples of what you're talking about exactly?

What did you learn? And what will you take back?

"the mayor of the city Yabaq arrived (being too late), just came from his khat session in his ridiculous shirt and gave his speech with a focking fanta bottle in his hand."





Hoorta WHY do all somalis love fanta?? loooool

Basra- wrote:"the mayor of the city Yabaq arrived (being too late), just came from his khat session in his ridiculous shirt and gave his speech with a focking fanta bottle in his hand."





Hoorta WHY do all somalis love fanta?? loooool

Fanta is off the meter! I mean, I will name my first child "Fanta"

Starscream wrote:Voltage,


I know how you feel and I know you know that I know how you feel, b/c I remember when you were spot on when you mentioned that I came back disillusioned from my trip to Somalia. I experienced exactly what you're talking about. I learned that the Somali people at large is not my people and their culture not mine, but that it's limited to the Westernized Somali diaspora. Meaning, only among the Somalis in the diaspora can you truly feel at home and never among the Somalis back home. It's like a black dude who grew up in rich, white suburbs with an ivy league education trying to go back to the hood, only because that's where his 'roots' lies. The importance of the source fades over time.

To give you a few examples that ignited this thinking process are the following:

1- The hierarchy in Somalia bugged me the fock out, I thought we were the most egalitarian race on earth only to find out that Somalis live, drink, breathe and shit hierarchy in their daily lives. Every Somali has and needs another Somali to trample upon and look down to, no matter how sad a character he is himself.

2- I attended a grand shir in Gaalkacyo in the Qurac Weyn building, and after numerous boring speeches by different elders and a buraanbur by an elderly woman, the mayor of the city Yabaq arrived (being too late), just came from his khat session in his ridiculous shirt and gave his speech with a focking fanta bottle in his hand.

3- When a woman from the UK in my airplane told me she got robbed by her own cousins in Caabuudwaaq. She was devastated.


This lack of discipline, this borderline xayawaan behaviour of Somalis is absolutely what's crippling us.

Alluring wrote:I believe we truly are the generation of change (that word gets tossed around lately) but to me it has meant something for years, and with age comes wisdom with education comes freedom. Somalis need to have a sense of freedom, more schools, more more more of everything that is good with moving a nation FORWARD! But, we must first HEAL ourselves.

Nice words Ms Obama, but give us concrete examples of what you're talking about exactly?

I would much rather prefer to be called MADAM PRESIDENT, but Ms. Obama will do for now. Nevertheless, I believe what I wrote speaks for itself.

Thank you Alluring. Excellent!

I used "unprofessional" on purpose. "Civilized" has a colonial cannotation and it takes away from my observations."







Fair enuf! Thats a great point Voltage- and i am glad for the uurtoy Alluring if indeed she made this point. (Disclosure: I never read her posts. unintelligent drivels. )


Well if Civilised as negative colonial connotation-- then how about-- lets be Somaliish and incorporate a new word in the Oxford English dictionary: Ilbaax.



Voltage lets agree to say --Somalis are NOT 'Ilbaax'!

Xayawaanimo would be the most fitting terminology to identify this problem among Somalis.

Voltage say what you wanne say help the weak , but dont forget one thing dadka somalida will always see you As wiilki jeberti eeh merexaan eeh reer siyaad diini they will always see you like that even hadaad tahay adigu mother terresa