A Question For Salafi_Student!

[Kolombo]

Musika Man,

How did you manage to hijack my thread? If you want to talk about the ONLF, I suggest you create a separate threat and stop your childish rants.

[new-york24]

aniga am not one to bite his tongue or worry about the irelvent things that a total stranger writes from his comfortable bed.

if you have the man power to go and confront AMIIRKA EAST AFRICA or to battle the ONLF than do so,other than that CALYADA ila dhaaf.

[American-Suufi]

Musika Man,

How did you manage to hijack my thread? If you want to talk about the ONLF, I suggest you create a separate threat and stop your childish rants.

Kolombo Ramadan kariim

amaa ba3da yaa aqii, when I smell hypocrism, I become allergic sxbow. And you dudes are blowing it from every corner.

Who are Salafi Jadiid and Salafi takbiiri? Both were orginal Wahabis 'Salafis' who became different sects because of the crisis in wahabi founders Saudi Arabia in the arguments the best way to address the Iraqi invassion of Kuwait.

One group sided with the Saudi authorities and the other group sided with people like Osama and Abdullah Azzam AUN (mentor of Osama palestinian salafi jihadist).

Saudi Arabia is the birth of a kingdom formed an alliance drawn up in 1744/5 between the religious reformer Muhammad bin Abdalwahab AUN 1704 to1792 and the then ruler and founder of the Saudi state, Muhammad Bin Saud. The alliance survived intact till Iraq invaded Kuwait and a young restless group of Saudis returned from Afghanistan demanded their forces should liberate Kuwait from Iraq. When refused the alliance cracked.

Salafis who supported the Saudi government included;
Prominent pro government Saudi scholars Ibn Baz, Ibn Uthaymeen AUN and their students like current Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Al-Shekh and all the other Salafi scholars in Saudi Arabia including the Islamic intellectuals teaching Saudi Islamic Universities.

Who opposes them?

Jihadi Salafis who oppose them now believe that most of the Muslim countries, including Saudi Arabia, have strayed and that the only answer to the plight of Muslims today is Jihad. Osama bin Laden is a prominent example of a Jihadi Salafi Saudi Muslim who has gone from supporting the Saudi regime to violently opposing it. Aiman Al Zawahiri and now Al-Shabab openly declared to join the little Salafi league.

It is politics. Just like you and ur amiir Turki support ONLF. Tell him charity starts at home. You are fighting with Salafi Student who once proudly shared salafism wahabism with you, and since the split bad blood is runnig through your viens and want to kill each other. He decided to follow the loyalists like Sheikh Binu Baz AUN, and you are questioning his Islamic faith. Why do you follow ONLF if you serious about your committment to " Correct Islamic Shariah" viewpoint? Hypocrism aqii. Let Somalis smell peace and support Sheikh Sharif's peace initiatives? Enough of using suffering Somalis as scapegoats for 'other' political agendas.

What does gurey25 mean by this?

gurey25 wrote:

"the Saud clan is different they opposed and rebelled against their rightfull khalifa from the late 1700s".


Aqii enoy your Ramadan and may Allah SWT Bless your family.

[American-Suufi]

onlf the amiir of east africa abuu mansuur the lion
all somalis who will fight to the death to eradicate the ethiopians from their homeland

Abu Mansur with Abu-Saud (Sheikh amiir Indhocadde) and a Saudi representative of amiir Osama. down to Happy now.

[Kolombo]

Musika Man,

Why are you mixing ONLF issue with this one? My support for the ONLF stems from the fact that they're fighting to liberate my people from kufr oppression, I would support them even if they weren't Ogaadeen, I support OLF (Oromo Liberation Front), the end justifies the means.

As for all the other nonesense about the Salafi groups you've listed, their ideologies have nothing to do with mainstream Islam, they're both extreme groups, one calling for Jihad on everyone that isn't following their path, another discouraging Jihad all together. Moderation in Islam is very important, but some circumstances call for Jihad and to deny that is very foolish.

[Salahuddiin]

Islam is the religion of middle-path and moderation, but the mistake that many people do is that they look at existing groups and then look at who is in the middle. This is not how it's supposed to be, but the criterion should be Qur'an and sunna.

I give an example of the groups with different understandings concerning Allah's attributes: Jahmiya reject Allah's attributes while tashbih group says that Allah's attributes are similar to human attributes. Now who is in the middle of these two extremes? - Ashacira.

So moderation and middle-path is defined for us in the Qur'an, not in different groups.

[American-Suufi]

Musika Man,

Why are you mixing ONLF issue with this one? My support for the ONLF stems from the fact that they're fighting to liberate my people from kufr oppression, I would support them even if they weren't Ogaadeen, I support OLF (Oromo Liberation Front), the end justifies the means.

As for all the other nonesense about the Salafi groups you've listed, their ideologies have nothing to do with mainstream Islam, they're both extreme groups, one calling for Jihad on everyone that isn't following their path, another discouraging Jihad all together. Moderation in Islam is very important, but some circumstances call for Jihad and to deny that is very foolish.

Kolombo, are you scared of Homeland Security or do you suffer from dual personality disorder? You want me to believe that you are neither salafi takfiri nor Salafi jadiid, why do you always attack the Jadidis and not Salahudin and fiisibilah the Takfiri Jihadis?

Be honest, I posted the the official ONLF website media release, do you consider the ONLF fighting for Jihad or for a tribal homeland?

. From its inception to date ONLF caters to nobody but the interest of the Ogaden Somalis.
. Meles encouraged the creation of religious organizations such as Itihad Al Islam in the Ogaden.
. ONLF believes the separation of religion and government.

Secretary of ONLF Foreign Relations bureau
Abdirahman Mahdi
Foreign@onlf.org

http://www.onlf.org/press_foreignRelati ... 282007.htm

Is it Jihad? ONLF reveals the hypocricy of their supporters.
Too many dark and cruel vested interests involved the causes of the Somali curse. Simpletons are barinwashed to think it is black and white issue. The likes of some here may threaten them with a Takfir.

[The_Patriot]

Horta nin reer xamar oo wax laga maqlo majiro.
Musikaman maxa Ogaden ka galey?
ma hoyadha bey kufsaden?

[Kolombo]

@Patriot. Musika is just being himself, yuusan soonka kaaga ciyaarin.

Musika,

Why concern yourself with mukulaal madow business? Worry about safe-guarding that 100 year old xalwo recipe and we'll worry about Somalia.

[American-Suufi]

Horta nin reer xamar oo wax laga maqlo majiro.
Musikaman maxa Ogaden ka galey?
ma hoyadha bey kufsaden?

The_Patriot

Saan miyaa sheekadaa, aw dooli dillow aan kuu hayste? Why are Ogadens exempt from any critique for their role in Somalia's anarchy? Did I expose the hypocrisy of ONLF supporters? Kheyr Illaah SWT ha siiyo your parents. Amin.

[American Salafi]

American Suufi

These groups have nothing to do with Salafiyyah. Most of these groups are either Ikhwaani or Itixaadi. They hate the salafis with a deep hatred because we expose their extremism and deviance. They write blank checks of Takfir. They don't know the difference between a Major Sin and Kuffr. Also the name "Salafi Jadiid" is make believe word. The first person to use this term against the salafis was Muhammed Suroor in the late 90's. These deviant groups want the people to be disconnect from the scholars and follow their newly invented idealogies of Takfir and extremism. They are the ones that started this none stop suicide bombings and the killiing of the innocent. Blowing up buildings and beheading journalists and sending young children infront of tanks as human shields.

[The_Patriot]

Horta nin reer xamar oo wax laga maqlo majiro.
Musikaman maxa Ogaden ka galey?
ma hoyadha bey kufsaden?

The_Patriot

Saan miyaa sheekadaa, aw dooli dillow aan kuu hayste? Why are Ogadens exempt from any critique for their role in Somalia's anarchy? Did I expose the hypocrisy of ONLF supporters? Kheyr Illaah SWT ha siiyo your parents. Amin.

American suufi hoyadha usheeg .

[Kolombo]

They hate the salafis with a deep hatred because we expose their extremism and deviance. They write blank checks of Takfir. They don't know the difference between a Major Sin and Kuffr. Also the name "Salafi Jadiid" is make believe word. The first person to use this term against the salafis was Muhammed Suroor in the late 90's. These deviant groups want the people to be disconnect from the scholars and follow their newly invented idealogies of Takfir and extremism. They are the ones that started this none stop suicide bombings and the killiing of the innocent. Blowing up buildings and beheading journalists and sending young children infront of tanks as human shields.

Waryaa, don't make false accusations, I showed you Sh. Ibn Baaz's evidence, I dare you to refute it, actually I double-dare you to refute it, here it is again:

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/31807/mo ... the%20dead

[American Salafi]

kolombo

Refute what? I agree with the scholar 100%. I asked you did Shaikh Ibn Baaz ever make Takfir on the Saudi Gov. Yes or No?

Also I am Happy your quoting the scholars. Inshallah I will post some statements of the scholars.

[American Salafi]

Kolombo

Watch this and respond. Jazakallah.