Shiekh Xassan Turki's interview.

[Voltage]

1. I did not see anywhere where Xassan Turki made "tacasab" on anyone. If you have proof, either from videos, interviews, muxaadarooyin, please give it to me.

2. EVERYTHING HAS TO DO WITH ETHIOPIA. Over 40,000 thousand Xabasho troops have invaded our country and every single thing in Somalia has to do with them because it is a war zone.

It is funny you call me an "oday-mentality" when it is you with your near-sighted, and relatively local viewpoint that is reminiscent of the rampant qabyaalad odayaal are famous for. Look at the god damn big picture!

Waa waajib in xabashada lala dagaalo and get them out of our country, everyone who is not fighting them is on their side! If you don't side with your oppressed brothers then you are one of the oppressors and diinta has many things to say about that, let alone actually fighting for them. When the prophet's uncle Abaas was captured on the enemy side and he said he was a Muslim, the prophet said pay for your release as the enemy would pay for it.

Get your mind straight sxb, because you make a mockery of the diin!

[sadeboi]

Murax...with all due respect you wish to be a more religious guy and your making up stuff...I never said I fully follow Turki/abu-mansuur or al-shabab, and I have questioned and presented my concerns on their actions, how can you say I make tacasub to Turki or any man, when I do not endorse them or said believe in whole heartily everything they do?

I agreed with you an Amerian-Salafi that calling people murtad and just going to jiad and all these mishaps of the al-shabab or people who say they are al-shabab is wrong, and so did Koronto.

If you read what I wrote in my last post you would have noticed this! All I have said is that their approach is the closest to being the right one and if they abstain from such actions and quite lamenting people as murtads and so forth, they would be the best! You yourself told me you think turki and abu-mansuur are not bad guys and have good intention lakiin they are doing some bad things. Which we agreed marka why are you making it seem as if we have different approaches or that Turki/abu mansuur are "Amirs" now in my eyes??


All we were talking about is the different approches, you said I took koronto's approach in Somalia affairs and I siad that its more correct one then American-Salafi who you praised, and now you just showed us that you do not agree with him, because he believes A/yusef is amir of Somalia!


Also, you said you cannot rebel against someone if they take power by force? Dhaliil keen!

[Murax]

1. I did not see anywhere where Xassan Turki made "tacasab" on anyone. If you have proof, either from videos, interviews, muxaadarooyin, please give it to me.

Fyi, Tacasub=Blind Following, and I didn't say Xassan Turki did it, but You are doing it. You listened a a waryeisi Where He made takfir against Reer Kismaayo and within miliseconds made a most making takfir against Reer Kismaayo. The only reason I responded to You akhi is to clarify to You what the term means.

Sadeboi,

Waanku gafe laakin Where We disagree is for some reason You don't think the issue of takfir is a big deal, and You don't seem repulsed by those statements Emir Turki made. As for Barre, Barre waa xukun doon and He's after kursi, xabadi ma joojin doono ilaa u helo, laakin the difference is Barre is not claiming deen, iyo wixis waa wax cad, laakin if somebody is claiming deen their judgement standards are going to be raised. Yes, I always have the good suspician I'm not going to call these Guys Mansur or Turki hyopcrites EVEN THOUGH I BELIVE THESE GROUPS ULTIMATELY END UP BENEFITING A FEW SELECT INDUVIDUALS WHILE THE MASSES OF THE PEOPLE SUFFER. However even if these Guys Mansur, Turki are sincere there not following the Quran and the Sunnah in the way they want to establish the Religion. They are qabqableyaal dagaal hadi runta la sheego, and they have a lot of traits in common with the khawaarij of the past, and of the khawaarij of the present i.e OBL. The scholars say the people are three:

The people to be educated in the deen, and will take it
The people who will argue When You explain the deen to them
The people who know the deen but don't follow, and have to be waken up with moving speeches etc.

Somalis are in the second categorey as a people who are generally ignorant in the deen. Why do You think I changed My stance to saying what is going on in Kismaayo is fitno if You think I have qabil in Me? You know very well My stance prior, and if I was to follow My hawa (desires) I'd say these Shabab in Kismaayo are hypocrites and Barre should come and kill them all and massacre everybody, blah blah blah. Instead I say now it is a fitnah that came between two Muslim groups, and its unfortunate. However I'll stand up, for people who are being labelled as kaffirs for no other reason than there was a conflict between them.


Ps;

I never said I was Religious, and I don't want to come off as something else that I'm not, However I would rather discuss deen than discuss reer hebel iyo reer hebel.

[The_Patriot]

murax ma hada muriyanimo ba dinta uqarineysa
Ma quraan goni ba muriyanta ilkoyar uso dagetey oo uxalaleneyso diga iyo xolaha musliminta?
Where was your din when Huraale and his miltia were doing kufsi bob iyo Isbaro?

[Murax]

murax ma hada muriyanimo ba dinta uqarineysa
Ma quraan goni ba muriyanta ilkoyar uso dagetey oo uxalaleneyso diga iyo xolaha musliminta?
Where was your din when Huraale and his miltia were doing kufsi bob iyo Isbaro?

Barre diinta magaceeda mastacmaalin When He was doing What You say He He was doing, laakin dadki dhulka diinta ale ku fasahaado baan ka hadlayaa. They should be judged by a higher standard.

[snoop12]

murax ma hada muriyanimo ba dinta uqarineysa
Ma quraan goni ba muriyanta ilkoyar uso dagetey oo uxalaleneyso diga iyo xolaha musliminta?
Where was your din when Huraale and his miltia were doing kufsi bob iyo Isbaro?

Barre diinta magaceeda mastacmaalin When He was doing What You say He He was doing, laakin dadki dhulka diinta ale ku fasahaado baan ka hadlayaa. They should be judged by a higher standard.

these al-shababs do these things in the name of diiin, which they misunderstood or intentionally interpetered it in the wrong way.

there is a difference commiting a sin and commiting a sin believing and teaching it to be right

[The_Patriot]

murax ma hada muriyanimo ba dinta uqarineysa
Ma quraan goni ba muriyanta ilkoyar uso dagetey oo uxalaleneyso diga iyo xolaha musliminta?
Where was your din when Huraale and his miltia were doing kufsi bob iyo Isbaro?

Barre diinta magaceeda mastacmaalin When He was doing What You say He He was doing, laakin dadki dhulka diinta ale ku fasahaado baan ka hadlayaa. They should be judged by a higher standard.

Koleyto wa runtaa ee wa isla idhinka mar shad Shabab so xirta mar muriyan Jubaland shegta.
Waxa cajib ah inadh isku khilaftin madamo kurtigin adh tihin muriyan so duley.

[sadeboi]

Murax...we agree that Turki saying "jihad" is very wrong and that takfir is wrong too...and this is why I said I do not support al-shabab, however the fundamentals of the greater ideology is more of a better approach and Islamic then what American-Salafi and the sect his follow, who you admired, believe in and proposed! Again I do not support the actions of Al-shabab nor is Turki and Amir. Lakiin in your post on this page you addressed koronto according to the ideology he has, and you coined that with al-shabab now, when he himself said al-shabab is not perfect nor does he fully support them!

We both agree on the situation in Kismayo: Fitno!

We both agree about Al-shabab: wrong in their statements and the issue of takfir!

We differ on the approach of the Salafi "Jadiid" and the ideology of rebelling against a leader and other stuff you agree with American-Salafi!

[Babygirl-]

islaamiyiin in Kismaayo (the Mareexaan wadaado)

Does it matter what they are????

[Voltage]

Babygirl no of course not but it is relavent in this discussion beause they are the ones who first started fighting in kismayo.


Murax, save your ammo for the gaal army shelling and killing muslims in your fathers country of birth. Let me see take a single break from contiously spreading division and deadly attaks against other Muslims and let me see you once commnet on the atrocity going on in somalia.

[Kolombo]

Murax,

There was a time I respected you as a brother and warned you to stay away from these Salafi groups. You talk about what happened here in Atlanta as if you were here every second to witness it, but all you have are the usual lies your friends at Tawhid have spread about our Masjid. I was here every moment of it, I was there when Sh. Khaliif whom we all respected took the microphone on that Friday and rather than delivering a khutbah, accused the Masjid committee of being a bunch of dictators who would not let him spread as he called it "The word of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw)...."

My own father was on the committee and nobody ever denied Khaliif an opportunity to spread the religion, what was requested of him was that he stop belittling Sheikhs like Sh. Umal & Sh. Mahamed Idris and stop spreading something he called "Da'wah as-Salafiyyah...." and running the Masjid as a "Salafi" recruitment base.

These people are a cult, I've seen the damage they can do, they've broken up families, turned brothers against brothers, a mother against her own son, you know him; that OG Samatar kid with the dhulos mom, they rarely even speak.

Mustafe Handule who was being taught Alif, baa, taa just a few years ago at our Masjid was all of a sudden critisizing Sh. Umal and accusing him of being an "innovator/bid'ah..." As soon as Khaliif quit his position as our Imaam and went to open Tawhid, all the Hawiye & Isaaq with the exception of a few left our Masjid, they even withdrew their kids from the Masjid madrasah, are you telling me that was a coincidence? Both Khaliif & Mustafe Handule are Hawiye & Isaaq, as soon as they leave, they take their clan members with them, no coincidences there.

Nothing good will come out of being part of their group, stop acting like a blind follower and use your brain; they spend most of their time in what they call "Jarh/Ta'deel/Tabdee'.." when all that is basically gossiping and insulting other scholars who are not part of their sect. They call Abdullahi Yusuf "Ameer al-Muslimeen" along with Husni Mubarak & King Abdallah, what does that tell you?

FYI, 60% of the congregation at Tawhid are African-Americans & others, they've broken up an existing Masjid out of their stubborn ways and fled our Masjid to that little place they rented & call a Masjid. Even now, they continue to spread rumors and recently held a "Mutamar" where they did nothing but gossip about Daahir Aweys. We heard the whole thing on Paltalk. They even spread rumors about Sh. Abdirahman; imaam of Masjid Abu Bakr As-sidique in Mpls, one day he tuned in to Paltalk and there they were gossiping about him and call him "Ahlul bid'ah...." Why are they so busy gossiping and lying about the few wadaado we have? Don't we already have enough enemies as it is?

Wake-up and smell the coffee, kid...you've no idea what you are a part of. They flash you with a few Sh. hebel & hebel said this and that and you fall for them that easily? I thought you knew better.

[Unclebin-]

Murax

Stay away from the madkhalis/salafi jadeeda types. I know your a sincere brother but you are calling bin laden a khawariij? Who calls bin laden a khawariij? The scholars who work for king abdullah or the independent scholars? Is bin laden perfect? Ofcourse not. But he is not a khawariij.

[American Salafi]

Sadeboi

Why do you have to lie about me. When did i ever say Abdullahi Yusuf is the amir of Somalia? I know your desperately looking for reasons to support your claims but why do have to lie about me. I have never called Abdullahi Yusuf my amir nor the amir of Somalia.

Secondly, your misrepresenting my positions. I have made my beliefs clear. Waging war upons muslims is not Jihad. Hiding behind women and children and exposing them to danger is not Jihad. Jihad is based upon knowledge and leadership, both lacking by many Somalis. So don't lie and instigate Murax against me based upon your lies about me.

Hassan Turki has recently made takfir upon Shaikh Sharif and others. So if you believe its correct to follow a man that calls the muslims to destruction and takfir then go ahead but don't lie about me or the salafiyyon.

[American Salafi]

Unclebin

You don't know what a khariji is, so who gave you the authority to refute the Ulaama when you don't have an ounce of knowledge?

[American Salafi]

Kolombo

Still continuing your nonsense. Masjid Tawheed alhamdulilah doesn't need defending. Anybody that goes to that masjid knows what they are upon is nothing except the Sunnah. Your still stuck in the Age of Qabil. If you don't understand that the difference between your masjid and masjid tawheed is minhaj than there is nothing I can do for you.