Formula 4.5 Isaaq vs Dir& Digil&Mirifle whats the deal?

[ky2008]

At last the nothern Dirs came to their sense that there will be no recognition for their "dream land".Let me tell you the truth Suldan, your clan are known from today onwards as ilma Isaaq
Mahamed Xiniftire Maaxe Dir Irir.That is the geneology which Ina Ibrahim Cigaal used when he was member of the Somali parliament in 1960s.And that is what you used when you were fighting against Siad Bare.
As for the case of the Samaroone for not supporting your strugle, it is similar to the lack of the Dhulbahantes' support to the Majeerten cause.
If you are suspicious of you not being related to the Dirs, then you can check your DNA on your Y-chromosme DNA.If it turns to be E then you are East African and related to the Samaroons.
And in case it is J like mine, then you are middle Eastern and of Arab origin.
We the descendants of TAROD bin Ismaciil bin Xasan al-Mansur al-Yaman bin Faraj bin Xawshab bin Zadan bin Mubarak bin Maxamed bin Muslim bin Caqiil bin Abitalib have never been gabage collectors or Shoe makers like you.

[The_Emperior5]

We the descendants of TAROD bin Ismaciil bin Xasan al-Mansur al-Yaman bin Faraj bin Xawshab bin Zadan bin Mubarak bin Maxamed bin Muslim bin Caqiil bin Abitalib have never been gabage collectors or Shoe makers like you.

what source you have for that aabtiirsii

Ismaaciil Ibn Ibraahin Ibn Abdisamad Ibn Abdicaziiz Ib Axmed Al-Jabarti/Al-Zaylici Al-Cuqayli nicknamed Al-Caarif
this the aabtiirso of the cuqeyli sheikh that died in 1404. it says al caarif in your fake tomb in sanag goormaad ilawday

what we know is Ismaaciil Bin Ibraahim Abdisamad al-Jabarti died in 1404 so he coudent father these oromos uu aabtirsigoodu ghaadhayo over 30

oh when we where fighting the somalia goverment we used saliga nabiiga sayiduna nabiuna Muxammad = s n m

[ky2008]

Emperor, according to history books of Yemen that were written between the 15th and 17th centuries such as Tabaqat al-khawas, ibn Dayba and al-Shawkani, that sheikh, Shaikh Ismail bin Ibrahim bin 'Abd-al-Samad al-Jabarti who died in the 15th century originally came from the Zaila' country (which is the old name of Somalia) and is the off spring of Aqil ibn Abitalib.That makes us assume him to be one of the descendant of Tarod bin ISMACIIL BIN Mansur al-YAMAN rather being his progenitor.

[ky2008]

Emperor, according to history books of Yemen that were written between the 15th and 17th centuries such as Tabaqat al-khawas, ibn Dayba and al-Shawkani, that sheikh, Shaikh Ismail bin Ibrahim bin 'Abd-al-Samad al-Jabarti who died in the 15th century originally came from the Zaila' country (which is the old name of Somalia) and is the off spring of Aqil ibn Abitalib.That makes us assume him to be one of the descendant of Tarod bin ISMACIIL BIN Mansur al-YAMAN rather being his progenitor.

[American-Suufi]

What is 4.5?

It should be 25.

1 for isak men
1 for hawiye men
1 for darot men
7 for all somali females.
15 for members none of the above.

Somalia will have peace and soul. Let the first 3 male categories above chill and chew jat, we (the last big 15) can work with Somali females and turn arround Somalia.

[The_Emperior5]

waryaahe ismacil iebrahien al jabari is buried in Zubaid in yemen i thought u knew that
his son dawud they one they they claim dhalay all these oromos how is it possible if dawuds father died in 1404. that wiilku dhalay over 4 milion oromos dhalay just with in what 450 years ta labaad siday uga badda kara a imigrant dadkii meesha horre origin dagana lol

any way thats that american suufii idinka dhibaata idin haysa why dont you guys just fight like any other somali tribe maxa idin haya hawiyaha la dagaalama xuruflaha la dagalamah jebertiga waranka futtada ka galiya manay xiiniyaha idinku yaalin horta

[James Dahl]

Are you still insisting that Darood died in 1404 CE? Geez some guys can't let go.

[The_Emperior5]

Manaaqib Al-caarif Bi-allah Wal-daall Calayh imaam Al-sahriica wa fakhr Al-haqiiqa.
al-ustaad al-sheekh Ismaaciil Bin Ibraahim Abdisamad al-Jabarti (d 802 A.H/1404) by Mustafa al-Baabi al-xalabii published 1945.

its written in this book this book is in missir u can read it that if we are talking about the cuqeyli jeberti guy called Ismacil iebrahien Abdulsamad Al jabarti.

Or are we talking about 2 different guys now james u bring a source the date the jebrti guy died.
I think we are tallking about the same jeberti . the tomb the wersangalys made they posted a sanduuq a few months ago on the tombs the wrote al caarif and ismacil ibrahim ibn abdulsamad al jabarti al zeylaci al caarifi al cuqeylii was name check the title of the book.

[ky2008]

Emperor, geneology is just like hadith/tadition.If you get several contradicting hadiths, you have to sort out and choose the most authentic one and discard the rest as unauthentic.
The first man who came up with the news that Tarod's father is Sheikh Ismaciil al-jabarti of Zabid is Sheikh Ali Abdurahman Fiqi-Khayr who is better known as Sheikh Ali Majeerten.He brought this wrong geneology at end of the 19th century and it was copied by an Ogaden man who passed it to an Italian pioneer known as Roberchi-Bricchetti.This Italian man wrote that geneology in his book in 1889 and it was copied and spread by a Tarod man in 1945 after he published a small book written with that geneology.
Nobody beleived Tarod's father to be Sheikh Ismaciil al-Jabarti of Zabid before 1888 and the evidence for that is, when the British explorers such as Rechard Burton and Cruttendan in Somalia at the end of all the Tarod from Harar to Hafun were unanemoeus that they were the descendants of Aqeel ibn abitalib and nobody believed the Zabidi sheikh to be the father of Tarod Ismaciil.

[The_stig]

What is 4.5?

It should be 25.

1 for isak men
1 for hawiye men
1 for darot men
7 for all somali females.
15 for members none of the above.

Somalia will have peace and soul. Let the first 3 male categories above chill and chew jat, we (the last big 15) can work with Somali females and turn arround Somalia.

Thats dumb you xamari shushumo eater.

[The_Emperior5]

4.5 is perfect as it is wa iska caadii wa inay halka ka hayaa

isaaq not part of it

[S-D-M]

Dhangadii abahaa aan ladhacay maa weli sii dhawaqeyso.

[The_Emperior5]

Dhangadii abahaa aan ladhacay maa weli sii dhawaqeyso.

Maxaad ka hadlaysa sxb yaad dhangadeyn jirtay ?

4.5 beynu ka hadleni wana Formula aad uu fiican oo qofwalba xaqiisa siinaysa waleh

[maxamedNomaD]

Well the whole TFG framwork is a joke, and one propagated by the enemies of Somalis .... a Unity goverment is the only way to go...

But To think come next year Kenya, Tanzania, Ugaanda, Burundi and Riwanda will coming together to form one nation, under one border, and Somalis a minority people in Horn of africa all speaking one language, All Muslims, and all related to another one way or another, have been fighting for 1 city for 20 years, and can't see past petty pathetic differences..

[xoogSADE14]

Actually the 4.5 system undermines Daroods. The only reason Puntland agreed to it was because AY was guaranteed the Presidency if he accepted it.

Power should really be shared according how much land the clan families control. Darood would be entitled to half of with the rest of Somalis sharing the other half.