Alxaaram forcing women to wear veil

[Megatron]

just a fact. you can enforce the "no means" rule, same way as they forsee enforcing the veil rule. and your point above sounds great in theory, but the reality is, is you CAN'T dictate moral and/or ethics. especially in regards to commerce

[ms.naliaa]

The ruling that was placed in Baydhabo was detaining a person for 12 hours if they were not properly covered.

It's like any other law, people don't really have say, they follow the rules.

Are you kidding me? so if I said, I refuse to wear the hijab period and I want to wear when I think its right...they're gonna detain me?
Does that seem right? its an infringment on personal choice
As long as the person is not walking around half naked, theres no reason why a veil should be forced.
Where do you draw the line of control? Whats next your gonna tell the women they cant go out and conduct business solo?
I feel like this is turning into anothr afghanistan.

[Shirib]

The ruling that was placed in Baydhabo was detaining a person for 12 hours if they were not properly covered.

It's like any other law, people don't really have say, they follow the rules.

Are you kidding me? so if I said, I refuse to wear the hijab period and I want to wear when I think its right...they're gonna detain me?
Does that seem right? its an infringment on personal choice
As long as the person is not walking around half naked, theres no reason why a veil should be forced.
Where do you draw the line of control? Whats next your gonna tell the women they cant go out and conduct business solo?
I feel like this is turning into anothr afghanistan.

In the Quran, God states: "Say to
the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their
modesty...And say to the believing women that they should lower their
gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty
and adornments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they
should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty
except to their husbands, their fathers...(a list of exceptions)"
[Chapter 24, verses 30-31] Also, "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and
daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer
garments over their persons...that they should be known and not
molested." [Chapter 33, verse 59]

In one tradition, the Prophet Muhammad is quoted as saying: "...If the
woman reaches the age of puberty, no part of her body should be seen but
this --- and he pointed to his face and hands."


Yes they will, and they will do it because it is for your own good, and they are enforcing their religion. OKAY.

[Advo]

If you are around a place where all the shops close down and people go to prayer, it's a sure bet that the usual guy who didn't pray out of laziness will become good in his prayers .

I do not think so, a person has to change from within and not because he or she is doing it, if a person is forced to pray, his mind and heart will not be there no matter what, he will be thinking about something else making his salaat void, I am strongly for educating them on the diin rather than introducing fear tactics to make someone do something.

[ms.naliaa]

The ruling that was placed in Baydhabo was detaining a person for 12 hours if they were not properly covered.

It's like any other law, people don't really have say, they follow the rules.

Are you kidding me? so if I said, I refuse to wear the hijab period and I want to wear when I think its right...they're gonna detain me?
Does that seem right? its an infringment on personal choice
As long as the person is not walking around half naked, theres no reason why a veil should be forced.
Where do you draw the line of control? Whats next your gonna tell the women they cant go out and conduct business solo?
I feel like this is turning into anothr afghanistan.

In the Quran, God states: "Say to
the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their
modesty...And say to the believing women that they should lower their
gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty
and adornments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they
should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty
except to their husbands, their fathers...(a list of exceptions)"
[Chapter 24, verses 30-31] Also, "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and
daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer
garments over their persons...that they should be known and not
molested." [Chapter 33, verse 59]

In one tradition, the Prophet Muhammad is quoted as saying: "...If the
woman reaches the age of puberty, no part of her body should be seen but
this --- and he pointed to his face and hands."


Yes they will, and they will do it because it is for your own good, and they are enforcing their religion. OKAY.

Im pretty sure 'tell' is not connotative word for force.

[Shirib]

If you are around a place where all the shops close down and people go to prayer, it's a sure bet that the usual guy who didn't pray out of laziness will become good in his prayers .

I do not think so, a person has to change from within and not because he or she is doing it, if a person is forced to pray, his mind and heart will not be there no matter what, he will be thinking about something else making his salaat void, I am strongly for educating them on the diin rather than introducing fear tactics to make someone do something.

No u don't get it. If a person is against praying then they won't pray and u can't make them.

But truth of the matter is, most people who don't pray, do so out of LAZINESS, they simply forget or something. If all the shops are shut down and everyone else is praying they will do it too, and they will become good in their prayers,

Our prophet said u should become friends with people who are good in their diin because it will rub off on you and you will become good in it too.

People are social creatures by nature

[ms.naliaa]

If you are around a place where all the shops close down and people go to prayer, it's a sure bet that the usual guy who didn't pray out of laziness will become good in his prayers .

I do not think so, a person has to change from within and not because he or she is doing it, if a person is forced to pray, his mind and heart will not be there no matter what, he will be thinking about something else making his salaat void, I am strongly for educating them on the diin rather than introducing fear tactics to make someone do something.

I totally agree with you.
I feel that somalis for the most part use islam as a scare tactic.
Using force and punishment is not the way to get people to join islam, its not the way to get people to love islam and rejoice it.
Educate not punish!

[Megatron]

Yes, avoid my point. Typical. But again, reread your hadith quote. It says women shall cover their bosom (cleavage) where does it say cover the face?

[FAH1223]

Yes, avoid my point. Typical. But again, reread your hadith quote. It says women shall cover their bosom (cleavage) where does it say cover the face?

this topic is about niqab?

theres a difference of opinion among the scholars to regards whether is wajib or not

somalida mostly view as sunnah... hijab is the standard and most women if not all in somalia wear it today

[Shirib]

Im pretty sure 'tell' is not connotative word for force.

Tell, and if they don't abide, punish. Their is no force. If they wanna spend 12 hours of their day in detention it's up to them

[Megatron]

Im pretty sure 'tell' is not connotative word for force.

Tell, and if they don't abide, punish. Their is no force. If they wanna spend 12 hours of their day in detention it's up to them

pretty brave of you to say, conveniently living elsewhere. So you're saying you agree with abolishing all Somali traditions. i.e dirac, dance, music at weddings, etc ? What you're REALLY saying, is you're a closet wahabbist?

FAH

last i checked, veiled means face covered

[Shirib]

just a fact. you can enforce the "no means" rule, same way as they forsee enforcing the veil rule. and your point above sounds great in theory, but the reality is, is you CAN'T dictate moral and/or ethics. especially in regards to commerce

NO u can't enforce a "no means" rule. A person says I wanna get married she's okay with it. The law has no room to say no u cannot get married. Allah said it was halaal already, u cannot outlaw it.

[Shirib]

Yes, avoid my point. Typical. But again, reread your hadith quote. It says women shall cover their bosom (cleavage) where does it say cover the face?

I took veil as meaning hijaab head and body covering.

If they are talking about indha shareer, then that is sunnah and cannot be enforced.

[ms.naliaa]

Im pretty sure 'tell' is not connotative word for force.

Tell, and if they don't abide, punish. Their is no force. If they wanna spend 12 hours of their day in detention it's up to them

I didnt read anywhere where it said "if they dont abide, punish"
please prove that to me
I would love to see you prove that islam said that u (mankind) can punish someone for not wearing the hijab.

[Shirib]

Im pretty sure 'tell' is not connotative word for force.

Tell, and if they don't abide, punish. Their is no force. If they wanna spend 12 hours of their day in detention it's up to them

I didnt read anywhere where it said "if they dont abide, punish"
please prove that to me
I would love to see you prove that islam said that u (mankind) can punish someone for not wearing the hijab.

Most of Islamic law does not come to is from Quran. You are aware of this correct. If something is said u should do it, the culumaa can find ways to enforce it.