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Re: Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The Voting for Shar'ia in Somalia

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*Nobleman* wrote:I'm torn i really respect imam anwar laakin the suffereing has to end some were.
he has a point that sharia is not to be voted on, it should be there from day one... he also is right the AU should leave...

however, he and MANY other imams i have noticed when they talk about somalia, they have a very simplistic view... of course im talking of non-somalis

in somalia things are not as they seem and its very complicated

encouraging more fighting is not the answer and that is where the Imam is wrong IMO
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Re: Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The Voting for Shar'ia in Somalia

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-Cabsiiye-- wrote:Quote:
The Somali parliament has voted unanimously for the implementation of Sharia which is seen as good news by many in the Muslim world - and it is - as it reflects the desire of the Somali people to live by the laws of Allah.

However there are some issues that need to be highlighted. First, there is a fundamental problem with the procedure in which the decision was made.

The law of Allah should not be voted over. To give the people the choice whether to apply Sharia or not reflects a fundamental problem in the understanding of Tawhid.

Allah says: But no, by your Lord, they will not believe until they make you, [O Muhammad] judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full] submission. [al Nisa 65]

So people cannot be believers until they submit to the law of Allah and accept it without any reservations. The Islamic government exists to impose Sharia rather than submit it to a vote. Therefore a government that declares that it will accept the results of a vote for Sharia, even if the results are not to implement it, is by necessity a non-Islamic government.

First, the Sharif government is using its application of Sharia to convince the other resistance groups to lay down their arms and join the government. But from a Sharia point of view the objectives of the Jihad in Somalia have not been achieved yet and therefore the Jihad of these groups needs to carry on. Yes, the implementation of Sharia is the most important of these objectives, however, the Sharif government cannot be seen as a valid government for three main reasons. The first: Just as it applied Sharia by a vote it could dismantle Sharia by a vote. They have not implemented Sharia as a matter of principle but because it is the will of the people and therefore the Sharif government is closer to being a democratic government than it being an Islamic one.

Second: The Sharif government is still allowing the existence of a foreign invading force represented in the forces of the African Union. The Jihad in Somalia should carry on until the last AU soldier leaves the country and any forces that side with the AU -including the Sharif government- become legitimate targets.

And third: The Sharif government is basing its foreign relations with the outside world on a nationalistic basis rather that an Islamic one. The support it receives from the US, the EU and the UN is a reflection of it being a tool to advance the imperialistic interests of the West and to eradicate the strong Jihad movement in the country.

Therefore, even though it is good news for the ummah that Sharia will be implemented again in Somalia but we should not see this as an end to the struggle to establish an Islamic state and community and to free the country from foreign intervention and corruption.

http://www.anwar-alawlaki.com/?p=119

Hisbul-Islam spokesman already used the underlined argument. The pseudo-intellectual - Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki argument is that people can't argue to govern themselves using the law they believe.

in other words, You and I agreeing to govern ourselves using Islam is against islam thinking.
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wow, just wow!

how unbelievable it's that the filthy munafiq salafis kolombo and murax are eating the poisonous flesh of anwar al-awlaki - may allah have mercy upon him - whose upon haq while at the same time praising the deceiving scholars of tawagheet and batil, i.e. the murjites and donkeys who've twisted and/or concealed parts of the deen of allah swt to protect their beloved tyrants and who've made the blood of the warriors of tawheed and the truthful scholars halal.

indeed, today's scholars are the best (e.g. shaykh omar abdel-rahman, abu muhammad al-maqdisi, anwar al-awlaki) and most wicked (e.g. fawzan, rabee, saudi mufti, sudais) among us.

the sad salafis are blind followers of the palace scholars; who're of slaves of apostate rulers; whose masters are the jews and west. is this the way of the salaf?!!!

subhanallah... no wonder then that salafism is so hated among today's religiously conscience youth!
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Is there a way idiots can be banned?
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Allahu Akbar!!!!


the death of salafism cult is near!
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It'll NEVER happen. And I have NOOO idea where you get the idea, that a vote in parliament represents a vote of the people.
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Re: Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The Voting for Shar'ia in Somalia

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FAH1223 wrote:
*Nobleman* wrote:I'm torn i really respect imam anwar laakin the suffereing has to end some were.
he has a point that sharia is not to be voted on, it should be there from day one... he also is right the AU should leave...

however, he and MANY other imams i have noticed when they talk about somalia, they have a very simplistic view... of course im talking of non-somalis

in somalia things are not as they seem and its very complicated

encouraging more fighting is not the answer and that is where the Imam is wrong IMO

well said mate
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*Nobleman* wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:
*Nobleman* wrote:I'm torn i really respect imam anwar laakin the suffereing has to end some were.
he has a point that sharia is not to be voted on, it should be there from day one... he also is right the AU should leave...

however, he and MANY other imams i have noticed when they talk about somalia, they have a very simplistic view... of course im talking of non-somalis

in somalia things are not as they seem and its very complicated

encouraging more fighting is not the answer and that is where the Imam is wrong IMO

well said mate

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Firefly wrote:
Murax wrote:
Firefly wrote:You know the end of times are near when even the Imaams are not save from disrespect..

Murax:- :down:

Walaal think about the millions of people in Afgoi drinking camel urine to quench their thirst while a so called "imam" is supporting the continuation of their suffuring?

Who's fault is that? Is that his fault? To say he is supporting the continuation of their suffering is at best dishonest, and at the least desperate. Ka fakir waxaad leedahay. Somalis have nobody but themselves to blame.
i told u about this garob. she lives in the west. her kids are raised by welfare. tax money collected from prostitutes, alcohol manufacturers and gambling and wishes more harm on suffering somalis. crazy garobs she needs medication.

if this fag has decency he will go and fight with ali abdallah salah. calling him a sheikh is a crime.
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Galia, DRyalaxow, murax, fah1223, diyeesha tolka, kolombo, american sufi...... What a bunch of Rats.

Stay with the politics. and leave religion talks to those who knows best.......
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My brothers and Sisters in Islam (Somalis) - wake up now, welcome to the sea of knowledge and live with reality. Lets drop our ignorance luggage of nationalism and tribalism.
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Re: Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The Voting for Shar'ia in Somalia

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I need some of the energy exuding out of some folks in here to get my studies done. Damn! All hyperactive goons about nothing. Oh wait! this is some sort of Jihad I just stepped into?
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Amirsade wrote:Galia, DRyalaxow, murax, fah1223, diyeesha tolka, kolombo, american sufi...... What a bunch of Rats.

Stay with the politics. and leave religion talks to those who knows best.......
wahabi/salafi jihadists know nothing about religion, they are fags.
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Actually when considering maslaxa and mafsada in sharica then religion comes before everything else. I understand that people are tired of war after a long time and are ready to take sheydaan as their leader if that brings them peace but this isn't an excuse in front of Allah. Ultimate victory will always be after serious test and best example is the life of Prophet (scws) and saxaaba.

Qays ibn Abi Hazim related that Khabbab ibn al-Aratt said, "We complained to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace while he was using his cloak as a cushion in the shade of the Kabaa. We said to him, 'Will you not ask for help for us? Will you not pray to Allah for us?

He said, 'There was a man among those before you for whom a ditch was dug in the earth and he was placed in it. Then a saw was brought and places on his head and he would be cut in two. He would be raked with iron combs which would remove his flesh from his bones or sinews, and that would not deter him from his deen. By Allah, this business will be complete so that a traveller can go from San'a to Hadramawt fearing only Allah, or the wolf for his sheep, but you are trying to hasten things (Al-Bukhari)
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Re: Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki: The Voting for Shar'ia in Somalia

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Salahuddiin wrote:Actually when considering maslaxa and mafsada in sharica then religion comes before everything else. I understand that people are tired of war after a long time and are ready to take sheydaan as their leader if that brings them peace but this isn't an excuse in front of Allah. Ultimate victory will always be after serious test and best example is the life of Prophet (scws) and saxaaba.

Qays ibn Abi Hazim related that Khabbab ibn al-Aratt said, "We complained to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace while he was using his cloak as a cushion in the shade of the Kabaa. We said to him, 'Will you not ask for help for us? Will you not pray to Allah for us?

He said, 'There was a man among those before you for whom a ditch was dug in the earth and he was placed in it. Then a saw was brought and places on his head and he would be cut in two. He would be raked with iron combs which would remove his flesh from his bones or sinews, and that would not deter him from his deen. By Allah, this business will be complete so that a traveller can go from San'a to Hadramawt fearing only Allah, or the wolf for his sheep, but you are trying to hasten things (Al-Bukhari)
sxb, this is easy for you to say it in the comfort of your home outside of Somalia

the civil war is still a civil war... Muslim on Muslim

from qabyalaad, to isbaaro, to isolationism, to the ICU, to the Ethiopians, to the now Islamist v Islamist

arms should be laid down, I never believed in the TFG and still don't but Somalida have to work together not spill more blood, make more people IDPs, cause more destruction

its all pointless!
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