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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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Enlightened~Sista wrote:but the people of Sheba entrusted their affairs with a woman and they prospered.

according to prophet Muhamamd they did not
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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The_Emperior5 wrote:quran is telling us what has happened in the history king soloman and queen sheba taarikhdii soo kala dhex martay.

According to Al-Bukhari, it is supposed to have been Abu Bakr (RA) who heard the Prophet (Pbuh) say: “Those who entrust their affairs to a woman will never know prosperity.” this is saxiix hadith why would the prophet say such a thing markaas. :roll:

You have to consider the context of that hadith in which you mentioned.

when news reach the prophet s.a.w that Iranians had made the daughter of Cusore their ruler, he observed : "That nation can never prosper which has assigned its reign to a woman"
The above hadith is from ahad, isolated one and not mutawatir, one repeated by more than one companion of the prophet s.a.w. It is well known prinicple that the ahad ( isolated one) are not binding and it is not necessary to act upon them. Thus how can one make this tradtion of the prophet s.a.w binding on us.

Maulana Omar Ahmed Usmani shows that this hadith did exist before the battle of the camel in which Aisha ( R.A) participated. Abu Bakar the narrator of this haith remembered it only after the battle started and Aisha assumed command of the army against Ali , who was elected as the fourth caliph. Abu Bakar did not remembered it earlier , which is proof enough of the fact that it was forged in the context of this battle .

In the context of the battle of the Camel Aisha ( r.aw) was in command of the army which had many illustrious companions of the prophet s.a.w in it.
None of them objected in to her being command, nor did they desert her for that reason. Even Abu Bakar the narrator of that hadith did not desert her. Had they been convinced that the prophet s.a.w had prophibited women from being imam (leader or head ) he should have deserted Aisha as soon as he recalled this tradition. How than could it be said that a woman cannot become a leader of a government when her leadership was accepted by even the most eminent companions of the prophet s.a.w?

Dr Abdul Hamid Mutawalli maintains that a hadith is not acceptable if:

1) Describes what is impossible to believe
2) The hadith is in conflict with the quran
3) It contradicts the facts of history

The hadith contradicts the teachings of the with the quran as shown with respect to the verse about Queen of Sheba.

There aslo Fatwas, I'll post the whole link later.
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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Emperior astaghfirullah..war maxaad ku hadlaysa?

it is mentioned in the Qur'an...go and read it
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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gemini07 wrote:Duceeysane :lol: :up:

Asha Abdalle :clap: :mrgreen:


you would make better President - JUST MAKE SURE you dont order attacks against somalilanders :mrgreen:
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Queen_Arawello wrote:
The_Emperior5 wrote:quran is telling us what has happened in the history king soloman and queen sheba taarikhdii soo kala dhex martay.

According to Al-Bukhari, it is supposed to have been Abu Bakr (RA) who heard the Prophet (Pbuh) say: “Those who entrust their affairs to a woman will never know prosperity.” this is saxiix hadith why would the prophet say such a thing markaas. :roll:

You have to consider the context of that hadith in which you mentioned.

when news reach the prophet s.a.w that Iranians had made the daughter of Cusore their ruler, he observed : "That nation can never prosper which has assigned its reign to a woman"
The above hadith is from ahad, isolated one and not mutawatir, one repeated by more than one companion of the prophet s.a.w. It is well known prinicple that the ahad ( isolated one) are not binding and it is not necessary to act upon them. Thus how can one make this tradtion of the prophet s.a.w binding on us.

Maulana Omar Ahmed Usmani shows that this hadith did exist before the battle of the camel in which Aisha ( R.A) participated. Abu Bakar the narrator of this haith remembered it only after the battle started and Aisha assumed command of the army against Ali , who was elected as the fourth caliph. Abu Bakar did not remembered it earlier , which is proof enough of the fact that it was forged in the context of this battle .

In the context of the battle of the Camel Aisha ( r.aw) was in command of the army which had many illustrious companions of the prophet s.a.w in it.
None of them objected in to her being command, nor did they desert her for that reason. Even Abu Bakar the narrator of that hadith did not desert her. Had they been convinced that the prophet s.a.w had prophibited women from being imam (leader or head ) he should have deserted Aisha as soon as he recalled this tradition. How than could it be said that a woman cannot become a leader of a government when her leadership was accepted by even the most eminent companions of the prophet s.a.w?

Dr Abdul Hamid Mutawalli maintains that a hadith is not acceptable if:

1) Describes what is impossible to believe
2) The hadith is in conflict with the quran
3) It contradicts the facts of history

The hadith contradicts the teachings of the with the quran as shown with respect to the verse about Queen of Sheba.

There aslo Fatwas, I'll post the whole link later.


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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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queen still the hadith still stands just because aisha bint abu bakr al sadiq was in the battles it does not mean she could become Calif just like imam ali or her father. wax baad isku dhex qaldaysa.
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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The_Emperior5 wrote:queen still the hadith still stands just because aisha bint abu bakr al sadiq was in the battles it does not mean she could become Calif just like imam ali or her father. wax baad isku dhex qaldaysa.
Read the Fatwa of the eminent Theologian Maulana Asharaaf Ali Thanavi, in regards to that hadith :up: :up: :up:
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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queen fill the next presidential form to replace sheikh shariif if thats what you are itching for :up:
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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Ducaysane209 wrote:queen fill the next presidential form to replace sheikh shariif if thats what you are itching for :up:
Islam doesn't prohibit women from becoming leaders :up: :up:
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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Queen_Arawello wrote:
Ducaysane209 wrote:queen fill the next presidential form to replace sheikh shariif if thats what you are itching for :up:
Islam doesn't prohibit women from becoming leaders :up: :up:


the question is would you like to become a leader 1 day? but you know as long as religious people in somalia are alive they wont let anywoman get a high position in the government let alone be a president



we all know what happened to that pakistani lady when she tried to get involve in the elections and win
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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Asha-Abdalla :clap: :clap: :som: but just hope al shabaab dont get to her! :up:
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surrender wrote:Asha-Abdalla :clap: :clap: :som: but just hope al shabaab dont get to her! :up:

what happens if they get her anthor reason to hate AL shabab :up: they prevent higher education from Woman
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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Queen_Arawello wrote:
Navy9 wrote:I have heard that dhegax tur was a symbol of resistence, what does dhegaxbur stand for or is it a name of someone?

Dhagaxbur is a district in ogadenia 8-)

Okay thanks. I got the explanation of it from someone else. :P
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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dawwa9 wrote:It's their mentality, just trust me. Females are not made for leadership. I would be ashamed if Somalia ever had female head of state. They are not build for it.
Another reason why I believe this boy to be no more than fifteen.

Pathetic chauvanist, I doubt your balls have even dropped yet. :arrow:
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Re: IF Somalia had Female President..

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blithe wrote:
dawwa9 wrote:It's their mentality, just trust me. Females are not made for leadership. I would be ashamed if Somalia ever had female head of state. They are not build for it.
Another reason why I believe this boy to be no more than fifteen.

Pathetic chauvanist, I doubt your balls have even dropped yet. :arrow:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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