I feel Jealousy about Kismaayo

[Murax]

Twisted Logic,

1st of all those Hawiye elders were waiting to see what was going to happen and who was going to win. When it became clear that Shabab and their Internationaly funded outfit ran amock with Shareef and His socalled 'Gov' forces they made a urgent appeal for peace so people can come back to their friggin homes. Its Why Women in Mogadishu were having a demonstration saying "Look at other places in Somalia that have peace, are We (People of Mogadishu) gonna calacal. Its like what the chairman of the Hawiye council elders said When He said every other region in Somalia is peaceful except ours. I mean Here are the FACTS


Shareef got His ass whopped and is being sheltered by AMISOM while the opposition controls the rest of the damn city
His only resort is to use AMISOM to shell the hell out of neighborhoods to keep the Shabab from advancing
200,000 people fled the city


SOMEBODY WON, yet idiots and odayaal don't want to conceed defeat and let ONE GROUP no matter who they are assume control, and have normalacy prevail. Instead nobody listens to the odayaal, waxgarad, culemo or anything. 20 years of friggin urban combat, WTF. 1st it was Caydid/Mahdi using Tanks and Anti Aircraft in a beautiful capitol for 4 months, leveling it, to today. Btw, all this going on in Xamar is HAWIYE. Al Shaydaan, Al Haraam, Xizbul Takfir, TFG, Maxaakim is all HAWIYE. Dr Iman, Xassan Mahdi, Indacadde, Daahir Aweis, Shareef, doesn't matter. There isn''t any 'foriegn ideaology' to it, thats ridiculous Its just like American Sufi said if humanity ended and Hawiye realized they couldn't fight anymore, they would find a way to continue fighting in ailen format. And if You want to label Me as someone who is not touched by whats going on, I have my family in Xamar (Hawiye) who have fled to Galkacyo, and We're their closest family overseas. Dude Hawiye Has a PROBLEM and that problem is friggin prolonged conflicts in residential urban areas. Shyt Has to stop! The Int'l community doesn't give a shyt about Puntland, Somaliland, Kismaayo, etc. all they care about is XAMAR, and HAWIYE need to get their friggin act together. This may all sound primitive and qabiliste, but Wallahi I don't have anything PERSONAL against Hawiye, but I really believe they're holding Somalia back, and embarassing us.


Theres a better way to deal with the sudden urge to recklessly shell each other mercilessly in a harmless way

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted Logic,

1st of all those Hawiye elders were waiting to see what was going to happen and who was going to win. When it became clear that Shabab and their Internationaly funded outfit ran amock with Shareef and His socalled 'Gov' forces they made a urgent appeal for peace so people can come back to their friggin homes. Its Why Women in Mogadishu were having a demonstration saying "Look at other places in Somalia that have peace, are We (People of Mogadishu) gonna calacal. Its like what the chairman of the Hawiye council elders said When He said every other region in Somalia is peaceful except ours. I mean Here are the FACTS


Shareef got His ass whopped and is being sheltered by AMISOM while the opposition controls the rest of the damn city
His only resort is to use AMISOM to shell the hell out of neighborhoods to keep the Shabab from advancing
200,000 people fled the city


SOMEBODY WON, yet idiots and odayaal don't want to conceed defeat and let ONE GROUP no matter who they are assume control, and have normalacy prevail. Instead nobody listens to the odayaal, waxgarad, culemo or anything. 20 years of friggin urban combat, WTF. 1st it was Caydid/Mahdi using Tanks and Anti Aircraft in a beautiful capitol for 4 months, leveling it, to today. Btw, all this going on in Xamar is HAWIYE. Al Shaydaan, Al Haraam, Xizbul Takfir, TFG, Maxaakim is all HAWIYE. Dr Iman, Xassan Mahdi, Indacadde, Daahir Aweis, Shareef, doesn't matter. There isn''t any 'foriegn ideaology' to it, thats ridiculous Its just like American Sufi said if humanity ended and Hawiye realized they couldn't fight anymore, they would find a way to continue fighting in ailen format. And if You want to label Me as someone who is not touched by whats going on, I have my family in Xamar (Hawiye) who have fled to Galkacyo, and We're their closest family overseas. Dude Hawiye Has a PROBLEM and that problem is friggin prolonged conflicts in residential urban areas. Shyt Has to stop! The Int'l community doesn't give a shyt about Puntland, Somaliland, Kismaayo, etc. all they care about is XAMAR, and HAWIYE need to get their friggin act together. This may all sound primitive and qabiliste, but Wallahi I don't have anything PERSONAL against Hawiye, but I really believe they're holding Somalia back, and embarassing us.


Theres a better way to deal with the sudden urge to recklessly shell each other mercilessly in a harmless way

I am really touched by your concern and personal interest about the “Hawiye” people.

Your entire post is an exercise in childish emotional sojourn and far removed from what one would expect from an adult person, but this is not the first time you have moaned and whined about needlessly when dealing with complex issues such as the dilemma in Mogadishu and Southern Somalia.

There is everything foreign about Al Qaida and its ideology. I find it insulting that one would even make such a birdbrained statement as “the conflict in Southern Somalia is Hawiye problem.” Who does Ina Godane, Abu Mansur and the hordes of Al Shabab leaders look up-to for spiritual guidance? Who are the young men leaving North-America and Europe to blow themselves up in Mogadishu? Who are the guys cutting peoples’ hands off for unsubstantiated crimes? Who is Shiekh Yacquub, the brainless demagogue who threatens to blow-up “all the tall buildings of Nairobi?”

Al Shabab controls ALL of Jubboyinka, Bay and Bakool, so your nonsensical statement that it is Hawiye problem is blatantly ridiculous. It doesn’t even deserve an answer.

I can understand why someone like you would be interested in cartoons and videogames to explain geopolitical situations. Maybe this video will open your mind to the reality



It might take us 100 years, but we will ultimately defeat these thugs. You can go back to Gedo and bend over for these thugs for all I care. But don't you dare tell us how we should live our lives.

[Murax]

Twisted Logic,

Abu Mansur is Ealay. Frankly He can't say shit in or about Xamar, because it will turn into Hawiye Vs Raxanwein, and that is not what Abu Mansuur wants. The people running their mouth in Xamar, brazenly holding press conferences right in the middle of the city, giving Friday sermons are HAWIYE. People like Daahir Aweis, Xassan Mahdi, Dr Iman, Hussien Fiido etc. That Abu Zubair and Yacquub dudes talk shid from miles away, but to actually talk and be heard in Xamar You must be Hawiye because they dominate that city. From sources from Xamar I hear most of the people fighting on both sides are actually Abgal. Bro, stay in denial if You want.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted Logic,

Abu Mansur is Ealay. Frankly He can't say shit in or about Xamar, because it will turn into Hawiye Vs Raxanwein, and that is not what Abu Mansuur wants. The people running their mouth in Xamar, brazenly holding press conferences right in the middle of the city, giving Friday sermons are HAWIYE. People like Daahir Aweis, Xassan Mahdi, Dr Iman, Hussien Fiido etc. That Abu Zubair and Yacquub dudes talk shid from miles away, but to actually talk and be heard in Xamar You must be Hawiye because they dominate that city. From sources from Xamar I hear most of the people fighting on both sides are actually Abgal. Bro, stay in denial if You want.

You are actually more naïve and misinformed than I first thought.

The leaders might be far-off, but these gangs all work together. It is an investment to prolong the misery of the Somali people. Al Shabab transcends clan ideology; yes, the underlying conflict in Somalia can’t be understood without clan dynamics but it would be foolish to attribute clan to the current mess. As you have personally stated, Mudulood fight on both sides. It is actually rich of you to accuse some-one of denial when you contradict yourself within a single paragraph.

I have stated in my very first post on this thread that, more Mudulood are fighting against this government than those who fight for it. Tell me where you get the idea that this is tantamount to “denial” as you have dementedly put it?

[Murax]

Twisted Logic,

Abu Mansur is Ealay. Frankly He can't say shit in or about Xamar, because it will turn into Hawiye Vs Raxanwein, and that is not what Abu Mansuur wants. The people running their mouth in Xamar, brazenly holding press conferences right in the middle of the city, giving Friday sermons are HAWIYE. People like Daahir Aweis, Xassan Mahdi, Dr Iman, Hussien Fiido etc. That Abu Zubair and Yacquub dudes talk shid from miles away, but to actually talk and be heard in Xamar You must be Hawiye because they dominate that city. From sources from Xamar I hear most of the people fighting on both sides are actually Abgal. Bro, stay in denial if You want.

You are actually more naïve and misinformed than I first thought.

The leaders might be far-off, but these gangs all work together. It is an investment to prolong the misery of the Somali people. Al Shabab transcends clan ideology; yes, the underlying conflict in Somalia can’t be understood without clan dynamics but it would be foolish to attribute clan to the current mess. As you have personally stated, Mudulood fight on both sides. It is actually rich of you to accuse some-one of denial when you contradict yourself within a single paragraph.

I have stated in my very first post on this thread that, more Mudulood are fighting against this government than those who fight for it. Tell me where you get the idea that this is tantamount to “denial” as you have dementedly put it?

The self denial I was talking about was Your lack of an admission that maybe at some point in this Century Hawiye masses need to LISTEN to their elders, people of knowledge etc. to peacefuly come together and come up with some sort of a resolution that doesn't revolve around mass displacing millions of people. I believe in accountability and taking ownership, thats Why when I say this about Hawiye its actually saying shid that will enhance their lives not mine.

The people fighting on Xizbuls Islam side are Hawiye
The people fighting for Shabab are Hawiye
The people fighting against them are Hawiye


Wtf

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted Logic,

Abu Mansur is Ealay. Frankly He can't say shit in or about Xamar, because it will turn into Hawiye Vs Raxanwein, and that is not what Abu Mansuur wants. The people running their mouth in Xamar, brazenly holding press conferences right in the middle of the city, giving Friday sermons are HAWIYE. People like Daahir Aweis, Xassan Mahdi, Dr Iman, Hussien Fiido etc. That Abu Zubair and Yacquub dudes talk shid from miles away, but to actually talk and be heard in Xamar You must be Hawiye because they dominate that city. From sources from Xamar I hear most of the people fighting on both sides are actually Abgal. Bro, stay in denial if You want.

You are actually more naïve and misinformed than I first thought.

The leaders might be far-off, but these gangs all work together. It is an investment to prolong the misery of the Somali people. Al Shabab transcends clan ideology; yes, the underlying conflict in Somalia can’t be understood without clan dynamics but it would be foolish to attribute clan to the current mess. As you have personally stated, Mudulood fight on both sides. It is actually rich of you to accuse some-one of denial when you contradict yourself within a single paragraph.

I have stated in my very first post on this thread that, more Mudulood are fighting against this government than those who fight for it. Tell me where you get the idea that this is tantamount to “denial” as you have dementedly put it?

The self denial I was talking about was Your lack of an admission that maybe at some point in this Century Hawiye masses need to LISTEN to their elders, people of knowledge etc. to peacefuly come together and come up with some sort of a resolution that doesn't revolve around mass displacing millions of people. I believe in accountability and taking ownership, thats Why when I say this about Hawiye its actually saying shid that will enhance their lives not mine.

The people fighting on Xizbuls Islam side are Hawiye
The people fighting for Shabab are Hawiye
The people fighting against them are Hawiye


Wtf

When few thousand Marehan in Somalia can't "peacefully come together and come up with some sort of a resolution," how do you expect a diverse and huge clan like Hawiye to " come up with some sort of resolution."

You are so sad and simple-minded wallahi. It is sad

[Twisted_Logic]

Murax and Voltage,

One more news item from today's headlines to burst your bubbles:

Maamulka Xarakada Shabaabul Mujaahidiin ee Gobolka Gedo oo ballan qaaday in Ciidamo xoojin ah ay u soo dirayaan Gobolkan Banaadir.

Mas'uul u hadlay xarakada Shabaabul Mujaahidiin Shiikh Farxaan Cabdi Ceymoy ayaa sheegey inay Ciidamo Gurmad ah u dirayaan gudaha magaalada Muqdisho.

Mas'uulkan ayaa intaa ku daray in Ciidamadani ay ka qayb qaadan doonaan dagaalada lagala soo hor jeedo Ciidamada Dawladda oo Caawimaadda ka helaya sida uu sheegey kuwa Amisoom.

Mas'uulkan ayaa tibaaxay inaysan jirin Ciidamadan soo duulay waa siduu warka u yiriye cid ay si gooni ah u haystaan balse uu yahay waajib saaran Xarakada Shabaabul Mujaahidiin meel kastoo ay joogaan.

Shiikh Farxaan ayaa intaa raaciyay inay jiraan Ciidamo ay hore ugu soo direen Gudaha magaalada Muqdisho iyadoo dhinaca kalena ay iminka socoto qaban qaabada sidii Ciidamo kale oo dheeraad ah ay u soo diri lahaayeen sidii dagaalka ay uga qayb qaadan lahaayeen.

Shiikha ayaa sidoo kale sheegey in gurmadka Ciidankoodu uusan ka imaan doonin oo keliya gobolka Gedo ballse ay jiraan Ciidamo iyaguna ka imaanaya meelo kale oo uusan carabaabin.

Mas'uulkan ayaa sheegey in Ciidamada AMISOM ay ku soo duuleen Ummadda Muslimiinta isla markaana ay doonayaan in ay ka xoreeyaan guud ahaan dalka gaar ahaana magaalada Muqdisho.

Hadaladan mas'uulkaas ayaa waxa ay imaanayaan Xilli sida la sheegey af hayeen u hadlay Ciidamada AMISOM uu sheegey in ay ka dagaalami doonaan haddii loo baahdo meelo ka baxsan magaalada Muqdisho.

Si kastaba hadaladan ayaa ahkuwo Colladda horey u sii hurinaya iyadoonan meeshu ay ka muuqan wax dadaal ah oo lagu doonayo in lagu soo af jaro dagaalada weli dhowr iyo toban Sano ka sii soconaya Soomaaliya gaar ahaana Koofurta Soomaaliya oo iyadu wehel u noqotay Xanuunka Dagaalada lagu riiqmay ee sababay bara kaca iyo dhimashada.

Gar Gaarka Xaf. Muqdisho.

http://www.gargaarka.com/news/117/ARTIC ... 07-13.html

[Voltage]

All you do is talk, talk, and talk. Jowhar is quiet, the rest of your ancestral land is quiet. It is only the Capital which is making a ruckus and it is not be its own choosing. AMISOM is forced to be there by the international community and nowhere else and the fight is between them and Al Shabaab.

Everything else you are tlaking about including your tribal component is irrelevant. We have only to look to Jowhar and the rest of Shabellada Dhexe.

Mogadishu: the curse of being the capital

[Twisted_Logic]

All you do is talk, talk, and talk. Jowhar is quiet, the rest of your ancestral land is quiet. It is only the Capital which is making a ruckus and it is not be its own choosing. AMISOM is forced to be there by the international community and nowhere else and the fight is between them and Al Shabaab.

Everything else you are tlaking about including your tribal component is irrelevant. We have only to look to Jowhar and the rest of Shabellada Dhexe.

Mogadishu: the curse of being the capital

More rants. Very typical.

UIC is fighting in the Middle Shabelle Region and not playing hide and seek around the Ethiopian border like you know who