WTF, Rendille people?

[paidmonk]

Voltage, I had a Murulle roommate from Mandeera and he identified strongly with Hawiye.

[AbdiWahab252]

Voltage, I had a Murulle roommate from Mandeera and he identified strongly with Hawiye.

Paidmonk,

They are Hawiye.

Even the Marexan are Hawiye even though they cling on the Jaberti myth spun to them by the ever cunning MJs

[paidmonk]

I know they are Hutu, I'm just implying that they also identify strongly with it although they peacefully coexist with Marehan.

[AbdiWahab252]

Paidmonk,

Of course, alliances are always made and broken. The Degodie, Murule were strong USC supporters in 1989-91 riding a wave of Pan HAwiyism The Degodie especially were grateful for the Hawiye assistance in taming the OGs who received weapons from the MSB regime during the OG-Degodie wars of the 1980s.

Maxamed Qanyare Afrah helped raise mucho dinero from the Hawiye Business Lobby for my Rer Abti

[Gara Man]

Bareento,

Thanks for the info. I will keep an eye out for the Aarsi Qunjo

Gara man,

SALF was a good movement but got sold out Anywayz, I love the video and the dancing

True, but they also got sold out by the OLF.

[Voltage]

Voltage, I had a Murulle roommate from Mandeera and he identified strongly with Hawiye.

Paidmonk,

They are Hawiye.

Even the Marexan are Hawiye even though they cling on the Jaberti myth spun to them by the ever cunning MJs

If both Ogaden and Marehan are Hawiye, what Darod is left? You might as well incorporate all of Somalis into Hawiye and rename the ethnic group Hawiye at this rate.

[Gara Man]

Bareento,

So where are the Aarsi beauties to be found in the USA ?

Akam Jirta Ato Barento.....Fayaa Qabda....Nagayaa?
Anis Oromodha amo Qubee hinbaeekhu aka garee.

But it looks like your from Haraghe, correct?

[Voltage]

I know they are Hutu, I'm just implying that they also identify strongly with it although they peacefully coexist with Marehan.

They are Hawiye along with the Degoodiye. Poor guys likely. The Degoodiye live in Wajeer but the Murule live in Mandeera area and are harassed by the Garre and Booran. The Marehan I am told stepped into the situation in the name of Somalidom.

[Gara Man]

Patriot,

Yes, they are. Thank you for reminding me to call them

warya Oromo wa rageedha especially the Ittu may God bless them

Why you like the Ittu?
Just wondering....

[The_Patriot]

Let me give you a breakdown of events.
Some time in history the Oromo and Dir who shared a common ancestry split.
The Dir became the current day Somalis and after having embraced Islam a new culture was born. So techincaly they are the Premodial Somali gourp.
Then years passed then Hawiye split from the Oromo and possibly they were related to the Wardey and were assimilated into Somali community .

the newest member that split from the Oromo are the Raxaweny who assimilated into the Somali community.

then the Gabra, rendille were on their way as other ormo groups like Jarso, Akisho, erey etc were on the process of filing up the Somali naturalisation form.

All Darood are 1/2 Dir
And all Isaq are predominatly Dir.

So what are we left with to urgue about?

[The_Patriot]

Paidmonk,

Of course, alliances are always made and broken. The Degodie, Murule were strong USC supporters in 1989-91 riding a wave of Pan HAwiyism The Degodie especially were grateful for the Hawiye assistance in taming the OGs who received weapons from the MSB regime during the OG-Degodie wars of the 1980s.

Maxamed Qanyare Afrah helped raise mucho dinero from the Hawiye Business Lobby for my Rer Abti

This is what happened when they joined pan Hawiyenism.
Qanyare was kicked out of Kenya and lost his entire wealth he had accummulated in his stay in Kenya.
Degodia were kicked out of NFD Kenya and they ended up being refugees in Marsabit and under the protection of Borana who finally were forced to kick them out.

MSB never armed Ogaden in the NFD to fight Hawiye cos in the first place Hawiye were very insignificant .
The fight was btw MZ+ Cawliyahan VS Degodia+ Borana.
Degodia thougth that claimming to be Hawiye will give them supermans powers to wipe out MZ from Wajir and to their dismay the opposite happened to them.

[SomaliAmir]

Rendille defy categorization

if you look at the region history, you have a lot of forces that converge to create the populations that inhabite NFD

the History of region is fascinating to begin with, it was inhabited by people like the Sekuya, Rendille and Ormo
before the 17th century the Warday were the dominate group in southern ethiopia and northern kenya. they were defeated by the Boraan and displaced. 17-19th century the oromo- borana were the dominated group in southern ethiopia, NFD and even the Jubba valley. as they expanded south its believed that they force the Rendille further west. the ormo/warday south and brought all these different group under their loose-authority. it during this time that the first somali clan the Ajuraan migrated south, they joined the oromo and developed cultural affinities while still maining differen religionous domians. the Borana allow the Garre to become their traders and their sole interaction with somalis clans along the coast. the Garre were give a monoploy over the ivory trade and all products coming from southern ethiopia: livestock and slaves. this order remain intact until the 1850 when the Borana were invaded from the southwest by the proto-masai people in alliance with the Samburu and Rendille. the Borana were pushed as far as the highland of southern ethiopia because the masai had an advantage in using poison arrows. traditions says that Gabbra come to the resucue by invent a sort of shield made of sticks intervowen with camel skin. with this new advantage the Borana/Gabra alliance was able to successful drive the Masai south. after this war, the Rendille developed strong alliance and eventual cultural similiarities with the Samburu so much so that sectons of their clans become assimilated into the Sambura. it won't be a somalis ethnicity that they join in the near future but the nilote Samburu-Masai group. their only ally in a hostile environment where they are small and constantly attack by Turkana, Borana and Gabbra. in the 1890s the NFD witness the great SOmali migration, in 20 years all the land between Isolo in the west, Moyala in the north, tana river in the south belong to the somali. somali migration as everyone know as stop only by British. and thus introduced another element into this confusing ethnic lanscape.

the Rendille are hostile to Borana look to somalis as distant relatives and marry and ally with the Samburu.

[Voltage]

So what are we left with to urgue about?

Perhaps a little something called language? The Somali language is not a section of Oromo as would be if the first Somali group (Dir) branched from Oromo. The Somali language is as old as Oromo which means if the Cushitic language is really a group of related languages and not sprachbund as some linguists are proposing (languages that came to be similar to each other due to location) then this means the Somali identity is as old as the Oromo identity and either is not the same as the other.

For the language to be as old as Oromo, the originally people who spoke it (Dir) had to have been equal to and never a part of Oromo.

Also, the rest of your information is garbage. Also I think the opposite is actually the case because Oromos were not even our true neighbors as late as the Ahmed Gurey times. Almost all that land including Harrar were the vicinity of Somali tribes and as we know, when the army of Ahmed Gurey was defeated by the portuguese, their remnants were flung to every part of Ethiopia which is why today I have heard of many known Marehan groups who are assimilated deep into Ethiopia. It is my belief a large section of the Eastern Oromo are originally Somali speakers who had become separated from the Somali people in those wars.

[The_Patriot]

Voltage some of tyhe facts you mentioned are true and others false but I said earlier Dir and Oromo shared a common ancestry.
Also when Menelik conquered Harar in 1890's most of the Somalis in Hararghe region were forced to flee or assimmilate into the Oromo or face the flying squad.
Today you will see alot of Eastern Oromos especialy Bale with somali abtirsi, but Southern somalis may also have split from the Oromo nation and were assimilted into the Somali nation.

[SomaliAmir]

So what are we left with to urgue about?

Perhaps a little something called language? The Somali language is not a section of Oromo as would be if the first Somali group (Dir) branched from Oromo. The Somali language is as old as Oromo which means if the Cushitic language is really a group of related languages and not sprachbund as some linguists are proposing (languages that came to be similar to each other due to location) then this means the Somali identity is as old as the Oromo identity and either is not the same as the other.

For the language to be as old as Oromo, the originally people who spoke it (Dir) had to have been equal to and never a part of Oromo.

Also, the rest of your information is garbage. Also I think the opposite is actually the case because Oromos were not even our true neighbors as late as the Ahmed Gurey times. Almost all that land including Harrar were the vicinity of Somali tribes and as we know, when the army of Ahmed Gurey was defeated by the portuguese, their remnants were flung to every part of Ethiopia which is why today I have heard of many known Marehan groups who are assimilated deep into Ethiopia. It is my belief a large section of the Eastern Oromo are originally Somali speakers who had become separated from the Somali people in those wars.

the fact is that the Somali language developed independent of Oromo. if we follow Somali folklore, all the large clans have a origins beginning in Sanaag. Shiek Ishaq is buried there, the Dir ancestorial graves are in Sanaag and so are the Darood. while our early ancestors were in Sanaag the oromo people lived in Borana country in the southwest between them and us were Hadiya, Sidoma, Harla, Harari etc etc etc. the distance is to wide for Somali langauge to have devoloped from oromo or vis versa there is probably a ancient intermediarary between the two languages but before 16th we had nothing to do with the oromo.